How much are our young players worth when their contracts run up

[Who]

are ones as consistent as leon a dime a dozen though?

I thought Leon's post game looked much improved in preseason. For me that's the separating factor that has lifted him above the large group of backup fours and into the elite end, alongside guys like Maxiell ... as someone who is good enough to start on a bunch of teams in this league.

[crownsy]

depends on this year.

This is the key.  Unless Powe absolutely explodes this year (which I suppose could happen), he is still just a undersized PF off the bench.  A very good one, but they have become almost a dime a dozen in the league.  So it all comes down to the year.  Do teams have money to spend, and no one to spend it on?  Are teams desperate enough to overpay so the C's won't match?

I don't see the C's giving him that much without him signing an offer sheet with another team, and that won't happen unless a team ends up like Golden State...sitting on a ton of money with no one to give it to.  It certainly could happen...but I think its more likely that he signs a 2-3 year extension at $3.5-4 million per year, and then tries for his big payday after that.

are ones as consistant as leon a dime a dozen though? to me that's what teams may see as somethign that sets him apart. alot of those PF's are up and down (like big baby) leon has his off nights of course, but for the most part, he ALWAYS gives you alot of production in the rebounds and points in the paint department.

Well, I don't know if I would call Powe consistent yet.  He was very inconsistent for most of last year, had a nice stretch at the end of the season, but went back to being inconsistent in the playoffs (which prompted him losing PT).  If he proves this year that he can be consistent game in and game out, despite the matchups, then you are right, he will earn some more money.  But that is still a big if.

yea, the matchups thing is a big thing we'll see. also, lookign back at it, i should have said offensivly consistant. as you alluded to, his inconsitancey comes on his defense. the good thing is His defensive lapses never come from lack of effort, they come from just being outmatched or brain farts.

[Chris]

depends on this year.

This is the key.  Unless Powe absolutely explodes this year (which I suppose could happen), he is still just a undersized PF off the bench.  A very good one, but they have become almost a dime a dozen in the league.  So it all comes down to the year.  Do teams have money to spend, and no one to spend it on?  Are teams desperate enough to overpay so the C's won't match?

I don't see the C's giving him that much without him signing an offer sheet with another team, and that won't happen unless a team ends up like Golden State...sitting on a ton of money with no one to give it to.  It certainly could happen...but I think its more likely that he signs a 2-3 year extension at $3.5-4 million per year, and then tries for his big payday after that.

are ones as consistant as leon a dime a dozen though? to me that's what teams may see as somethign that sets him apart. alot of those PF's are up and down (like big baby) leon has his off nights of course, but for the most part, he ALWAYS gives you alot of production in the rebounds and points in the paint department.

Well, I don't know if I would call Powe consistent yet.  He was very inconsistent for most of last year, had a nice stretch at the end of the season, but went back to being inconsistent in the playoffs (which prompted him losing PT).  If he proves this year that he can be consistent game in and game out, despite the matchups, then you are right, he will earn some more money.  But that is still a big if.

yea, the matchups thing is a big thing we'll see. also, lookign back at it, i should have said offensivly consistant. as you alluded to, his inconsitancey comes on his defense. the good thing is His defensive lapses never come from lack of effort, they come from just being outmatched or brain farts.

I wouldn't even say that he was offensively consistent.  He really struggled against certain matchups, because of his lack of size.  Against other aggressive players, who had a height advantage, he had a tough time, because his aggressiveness (which normally sets him apart) wasn't as effective.  For most of the season Doc didn't put him in these positions, so its a very small sample size, but this year will be very telling, because I expect him to get more consistent playing time.  This year he will have to show that he can be effective against every team.

[cordobes]

I agree with what Chris is saying. Powe is still a severely undersized PF who doesn't matchup well defensively with a bunch of starting bigs and doesn't do much else than scoring and rebounding.

To get a contract in the vicinity of the MLE, he needs to show he can produce night in night out, proving teams can rely on him to be a 6th man and start if anyone goes down.   

[crownsy]

I agree with what Chris is saying. Powe is still a severely undersized PF who doesn't matchup well defensively with a bunch of starting bigs and doesn't do much else than scoring and rebounding.

To get a contract in the vicinity of the MLE, he needs to show he can produce night in night out, proving teams can rely on him to be a 6th man and start if anyone goes down.   

and see, im torn, because i love leon, and want him to get a chunk of change.

but at the same time, i love him off the bench in a C's uni, and so i want him to be cheap to resign heh.

[billysan]

I just dont see this happening. I really like Leon Powe, but do you seriously see him making more money than Perk? Why would we overpay him and not Perk? Please name any undersized PF at 4-7 million per who is putting up comparable numbers.

I do. Powe can score and rebound. Right or wrong that's what makes money in this league. Perkins attributes like post defense aren't going to make you alot of coin. Perkins also is foul prone and gets consantly injured. Also Perkins LOOKS awkward out there. Powe doesn't.

People love to quote Powe's lower numbers - but on the right team Powe could start and score 15+ a game IMHO. Powe gives you alot of production in very little playing time. I hope we can keep him.

OK, for the sake of argument let's say you are right about Leon Powe being the superior player and deserving of the higher salary. If that is true, why isnt he starting instead of Perk? Why isnt he playing the big minutes?

I agree he has some nice offensive weapons. I am all for keeping him in a Celtics uniform for the long haul. He is a very nice bench/role player. He should be playing the majority of his minutes at the 4, not the 5.

Just my opinion, but I think he is not seeing major minutes because he is just not long or consistent enough when he is on the floor. He may be the second best PF on our team, but that doesnt make him a starter around the league just because he plays behind Garnett. 

[Sweet17]

OK, for the sake of argument let's say you are right about Leon Powe being the superior player and deserving of the higher salary. If that is true, why isnt he starting instead of Perk? Why isnt he playing the big minutes?

First off I never claimed he was superior. I said he excelled more at the money making skills.

But to answer your question he doesnt' start because while Powe is better then average - and very productive in his minutes his rightful position - PF is occupied by an MVP. <g>

Perkins OTOH is a center and has to beat out guys like Patrick O'bryant (who nearly busted out of the league) and a 6'6" goof ball with a weight problem..

[Tr1boy]

If powe and big baby keep playing like this both will get mid level type money offers from various teams.

They have been amazing together and suprisingly even better than perk and garnett at times.

They attack the boards like two hungry wolves and the other night against a 7'6 yao they were the one controlling the boards(also happened againt big Z, which was different than last year)

DAnny should think about locking both guys before they get tempted elsewhere. I would do 2.5-3 million for 4 to 5 years offer for both, no regrets (ideal to keep them both because they are a great duo(with big baby having the ability to guard stronger centers and powe ability to guard more athletic ones)

On the other hand doesn't look like pruitt will be coming back next year the way he is on the bench all the time and when he plays seems to be coasting out there

[Roy Hobbs]

It wouldn't shock me to see Leon get Jason Maxiell money from somebody.  4 years, $20 million.  That may be a bit high for the Celts, but it's probably not that far off from the going rate.

[Tr1boy]

It wouldn't shock me to see Leon get Jason Maxiell money from somebody.  4 years, $20 million.  That may be a bit high for the Celts, but it's probably not that far off from the going rate.

Good point. Don't think maxiel is any better than powe in addition.

Danny i think waited a little too long and should have done something the past year.(extended his contract for a cheaper price)

Powe has a family to worry about but also i don't think he brushes away what danny and the celtics have done for him(drafting him and believing in him).

[housecall]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

[Roy Hobbs]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

Jason Maxiell is 6'7", the same height as Powe.  Detroit obviously valued Maxiell despite his height; other teams will surely do that with other players.

[housecall]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

Jason Maxiell is 6'7", the same height as Powe.  Detroit obviously valued Maxiell despite his height; other teams will surely do that with other players.

Yes if Powe stays within the Celtics system i see it as a possibILITY but i do not think teams outside of the C's would put the same value on Powe as we do.Also Maxiel got the money from a team he is  already playing for where he proved his worth mainly as a defensive stopper(imo)I do not feel Powe has reached Maxiel's defensive status on the C's yet but will probably show a lot of improvement this season.If the C's offered Powe that type of money i would not be surprised but im not feeling it outside of their organization.Dont get me wrong here i am impressed with Powe personally but i just thinking outside the box for a minute and thinking of the new trend of bigs these days and Powe's type is not in high demand.  

[Roy Hobbs]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

Jason Maxiell is 6'7", the same height as Powe.  Detroit obviously valued Maxiell despite his height; other teams will surely do that with other players.

Yes if Powe stays within the Celtics system i see it as a possibILITY but i do not think teams outside of the C's would put the same value on Powe as we do.Also Maxiel got the money from a team he is  already playing for where he proved his worth mainly as a defensive stopper(imo)I do not feel Powe has reached Maxiel's defensive status on the C's yet but will probably show a lot of improvement this season.If the C's offered Powe that type of money i would not be surprised but im not feeling it outside of their organization. 

It's hard to say.  As you mention, sometimes teams value their players more highly than other teams would, and maybe they fall in love with them and overpay them.  On the other hand, sometimes bench big men get rewarded with insane contracts that are worth much more than they should be (Turiaf, Mikki Moore, etc.)  Those players had more size than Powe or Maxiell, but I don't think they're better.

[housecall]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

Jason Maxiell is 6'7", the same height as Powe.  Detroit obviously valued Maxiell despite his height; other teams will surely do that with other players.

Yes if Powe stays within the Celtics system i see it as a possibILITY but i do not think teams outside of the C's would put the same value on Powe as we do.Also Maxiel got the money from a team he is  already playing for where he proved his worth mainly as a defensive stopper(imo)I do not feel Powe has reached Maxiel's defensive status on the C's yet but will probably show a lot of improvement this season.If the C's offered Powe that type of money i would not be surprised but im not feeling it outside of their organization. 

It's hard to say.  As you mention, sometimes teams value their players more highly than other teams would, and maybe they fall in love with them and overpay them.  On the other hand, sometimes bench big men get rewarded with insane contracts that are worth much more than they should be (Turiaf, Mikki Moore, etc.)  Those players had more size than Powe or Maxiell, but I don't think they're better.

Exactly right its not always about whose the better player but other things come into play and lately it looks like if you are close to 7ft it will get you paid whether or not you got the skills in place or not.