How much are our young players worth when their contracts run up

[expobear]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

Jason Maxiell is 6'7", the same height as Powe.  Detroit obviously valued Maxiell despite his height; other teams will surely do that with other players.

Yes if Powe stays within the Celtics system i see it as a possibILITY but i do not think teams outside of the C's would put the same value on Powe as we do.Also Maxiel got the money from a team he is  already playing for where he proved his worth mainly as a defensive stopper(imo)I do not feel Powe has reached Maxiel's defensive status on the C's yet but will probably show a lot of improvement this season.If the C's offered Powe that type of money i would not be surprised but im not feeling it outside of their organization.Dont get me wrong here i am impressed with Powe personally but i just thinking outside the box for a minute and thinking of the new trend of bigs these days and Powe's type is not in high demand.  

I think the Celtics' system hurts Powe. He will always be a backup with the Celtics, where, game in game out, he has to prove himself. If Powe comes in cold and misses a shot or two, like Tuesday night, he gets less minutes. Last night, he produced 11 points and 4 rebounds in about 9 minutes but was pulled because his playing time allotment was up. So, even if he comes in hot, Powe is only going to get so many minutes. On the Celtics, maybe that's all he deserves because he's backing up a future hall of famer. But if Powe were to play on a less talented team and get 25-30 minutes, he would be allowed to develop into more than a bench player and I think his numbers could approach 15 and 8.  That is where Powe's mind has to be because if he can put up these kind of numbers, his family will be well taken care of in a few years, although 3-5MM ain't chump change either, if he were to stay with the Celtics. 

[housecall]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

Jason Maxiell is 6'7", the same height as Powe.  Detroit obviously valued Maxiell despite his height; other teams will surely do that with other players.

Yes if Powe stays within the Celtics system i see it as a possibILITY but i do not think teams outside of the C's would put the same value on Powe as we do.Also Maxiel got the money from a team he is  already playing for where he proved his worth mainly as a defensive stopper(imo)I do not feel Powe has reached Maxiel's defensive status on the C's yet but will probably show a lot of improvement this season.If the C's offered Powe that type of money i would not be surprised but im not feeling it outside of their organization.Dont get me wrong here i am impressed with Powe personally but i just thinking outside the box for a minute and thinking of the new trend of bigs these days and Powe's type is not in high demand.  

I think the Celtics' system hurts Powe. He will always be a backup with the Celtics, where, game in game out, he has to prove himself. If Powe comes in cold and misses a shot or two, like Tuesday night, he gets less minutes. Last night, he produced 11 points and 4 rebounds in about 9 minutes but was pulled because his playing time allotment was up. So, even if he comes in hot, Powe is only going to get so many minutes. On the Celtics, maybe that's all he deserves because he's backing up a future hall of famer. But if Powe were to play on a less talented team and get 25-30 minutes, he would be allowed to develop into more than a bench player and I think his numbers could approach 15 and 8.  That is where Powe's mind has to be because if he can put up these kind of numbers, his family will be well taken care of in a few years, although 3-5MM ain't chump change either, if he were to stay with the Celtics. 

Lets say this is true... what position will Powe play on a less talented team or any other team?A less talented team could not get away with a 6'7"C as a starter.He doesn't have the skill set to play the 3 .How many teams do you see with a 6'7PF these days as a starter?I know Powe has skills worthy of being payed for but i do not think outside this system he would be as sucessful as you think.

[BillfromBoston]

depends on this year.

This is the key.  Unless Powe absolutely explodes this year (which I suppose could happen), he is still just a undersized PF off the bench.  A very good one, but they have become almost a dime a dozen in the league.  So it all comes down to the year.  Do teams have money to spend, and no one to spend it on?  Are teams desperate enough to overpay so the C's won't match?

I don't see the C's giving him that much without him signing an offer sheet with another team, and that won't happen unless a team ends up like Golden State...sitting on a ton of money with no one to give it to.  It certainly could happen...but I think its more likely that he signs a 2-3 year extension at $3.5-4 million per year, and then tries for his big payday after that.

are ones as consistant as leon a dime a dozen though? to me that's what teams may see as somethign that sets him apart. alot of those PF's are up and down (like big baby) leon has his off nights of course, but for the most part, he ALWAYS gives you alot of production in the rebounds and points in the paint department.

Well, I don't know if I would call Powe consistent yet.  He was very inconsistent for most of last year, had a nice stretch at the end of the season, but went back to being inconsistent in the playoffs (which prompted him losing PT).  If he proves this year that he can be consistent game in and game out, despite the matchups, then you are right, he will earn some more money.  But that is still a big if.

yea, the matchups thing is a big thing we'll see. also, lookign back at it, i should have said offensivly consistant. as you alluded to, his inconsitancey comes on his defense. the good thing is His defensive lapses never come from lack of effort, they come from just being outmatched or brain farts.

I wouldn't even say that he was offensively consistent.  He really struggled against certain matchups, because of his lack of size.  Against other aggressive players, who had a height advantage, he had a tough time, because his aggressiveness (which normally sets him apart) wasn't as effective.  For most of the season Doc didn't put him in these positions, so its a very small sample size, but this year will be very telling, because I expect him to get more consistent playing time.  This year he will have to show that he can be effective against every team.

...I don't think you are taking the analysis far enough, which is necissary if you are projecting Powe's development and eventual ability level...

Powe's biggest issue with consistency last year came from HOW his offense came in games - almost exclusively on P&R and offensive rebounds...teams that were effective in protecting the defensive glass and making their rotations on P&R were able to limit Powe's effectiveness offensively...

But, as the season wore on, Powe began getting more Post/ISO touches from the baseline and extended elbow, which he began executing effectively...this off-season Powe worked exclusively on creating shot seperation, which we saw with the addition of his fade-away jumper in the lane...

So, Powe's limitations on offense have been negated by the diversification of his game and the team is starting to feed him more and as he continues to get touches and experience throughout the year, he should become much more consistent offensively.

As far as minutes go, Powe will always be between 18-25 mpg on this team because of Perk's progress, KG's dominance, and the need to give minutes to Davis in order to promote his development/value as well...However, it is highly unlikely that both Powe and Davis will both stay, so assuming only one remains, a 4-5 million a year deal is not a bad thing for this team assuming there will be ONE backup in the frontcourt, who could play 25-30 mpg depending on matchup and effectiveness...

Powe is already getting more minutes at center this year and the early returns show improvement defensively in this area - and his improved offensive arsenal allows him to be more effective on the other side of the court as well - this should continue as he hones his face-up game more and more...

...I think Boston would like a situational big with length for the matchups against superior offensive centers who are too much for Powe at times, (I say at times because as Powe's offense evens out, he'll be credible enough to still win the overall battle.)

Consider KG's age relative to Powe, it wouldn't be a bad investment to keep the still-developing young big as his growth will be in-step with KG's decline - 4-5 mill may very well seem like a bargain 3 years from now when Powe is good for 16-20 inside points any given game that a 35 year old KG is becoming much more of a jump shooter/defender...

Ultimately, these are the questions that Ainge and company are going to be evaluating - they will also do exhaustive statistical research and comparison to see what equivilent options are available at a price/production ratio...but Powe's per-minute production and overall offensive efficiency are "elite" and certainly not dime-a-dozen...even if undersized bigs are easy to find, its not easy to duplicate the levels of production that Powe gives...

...and as far as defense is concerned - Powe has been SUBSTANTIALLY better on his rotations...his man defense has always been stout and with his team rotations solidifying, there is very little not to like about his game - 10 pts and 4 rebounds in 17 mpg is mighty nice to get off the bench and i'd expect those numbers to be closer to 20mpg 13pts/6.5rbs by season's end...not too shabby...

[expobear]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

Jason Maxiell is 6'7", the same height as Powe.  Detroit obviously valued Maxiell despite his height; other teams will surely do that with other players.

Yes if Powe stays within the Celtics system i see it as a possibILITY but i do not think teams outside of the C's would put the same value on Powe as we do.Also Maxiel got the money from a team he is  already playing for where he proved his worth mainly as a defensive stopper(imo)I do not feel Powe has reached Maxiel's defensive status on the C's yet but will probably show a lot of improvement this season.If the C's offered Powe that type of money i would not be surprised but im not feeling it outside of their organization.Dont get me wrong here i am impressed with Powe personally but i just thinking outside the box for a minute and thinking of the new trend of bigs these days and Powe's type is not in high demand.  

I think the Celtics' system hurts Powe. He will always be a backup with the Celtics, where, game in game out, he has to prove himself. If Powe comes in cold and misses a shot or two, like Tuesday night, he gets less minutes. Last night, he produced 11 points and 4 rebounds in about 9 minutes but was pulled because his playing time allotment was up. So, even if he comes in hot, Powe is only going to get so many minutes. On the Celtics, maybe that's all he deserves because he's backing up a future hall of famer. But if Powe were to play on a less talented team and get 25-30 minutes, he would be allowed to develop into more than a bench player and I think his numbers could approach 15 and 8.  That is where Powe's mind has to be because if he can put up these kind of numbers, his family will be well taken care of in a few years, although 3-5MM ain't chump change either, if he were to stay with the Celtics. 

Lets say is this true... what position will Powe play on a less talented team or any other team?A less talented team could not get away with a 6'7"C as a starter.He doesn't have the skill set to play the 3 .How many teams do you see with a 6'7PF these days as a starter?I know Powe has skills worthy of being payed for but i do not think outside this system he would be as sucessful as you think.

I think Powe can handle himself as a 6'7" power forward in the NBA.  I don't think he's going to be a star but his upside potential is 15 and 8 given enough playing time with the right team. The Celtics aren't that team because, at most, with the current roster, Powe is only going to get 18-20 minutes max on average per game. If Powe became a starter with a weaker team, his number of shots would at least double as would his free throws.  That, in itself, would guarantee 13-15 pts per game.  He may not be the most athletic or talented player but he does have a knack of getting to the line and he's quite clever around the hoop. This may not lead a team to the playoffs but it will make Powe more marketable around the league resulting in a bigger payday for him. 

[expobear]

depends on this year.

This is the key.  Unless Powe absolutely explodes this year (which I suppose could happen), he is still just a undersized PF off the bench.  A very good one, but they have become almost a dime a dozen in the league.  So it all comes down to the year.  Do teams have money to spend, and no one to spend it on?  Are teams desperate enough to overpay so the C's won't match?

I don't see the C's giving him that much without him signing an offer sheet with another team, and that won't happen unless a team ends up like Golden State...sitting on a ton of money with no one to give it to.  It certainly could happen...but I think its more likely that he signs a 2-3 year extension at $3.5-4 million per year, and then tries for his big payday after that.

are ones as consistant as leon a dime a dozen though? to me that's what teams may see as somethign that sets him apart. alot of those PF's are up and down (like big baby) leon has his off nights of course, but for the most part, he ALWAYS gives you alot of production in the rebounds and points in the paint department.

Well, I don't know if I would call Powe consistent yet.  He was very inconsistent for most of last year, had a nice stretch at the end of the season, but went back to being inconsistent in the playoffs (which prompted him losing PT).  If he proves this year that he can be consistent game in and game out, despite the matchups, then you are right, he will earn some more money.  But that is still a big if.

yea, the matchups thing is a big thing we'll see. also, lookign back at it, i should have said offensivly consistant. as you alluded to, his inconsitancey comes on his defense. the good thing is His defensive lapses never come from lack of effort, they come from just being outmatched or brain farts.

I wouldn't even say that he was offensively consistent.  He really struggled against certain matchups, because of his lack of size.  Against other aggressive players, who had a height advantage, he had a tough time, because his aggressiveness (which normally sets him apart) wasn't as effective.  For most of the season Doc didn't put him in these positions, so its a very small sample size, but this year will be very telling, because I expect him to get more consistent playing time.  This year he will have to show that he can be effective against every team.

...I don't think you are taking the analysis far enough, which is necissary if you are projecting Powe's development and eventual ability level...

Powe's biggest issue with consistency last year came from HOW his offense came in games - almost exclusively on P&R and offensive rebounds...teams that were effective in protecting the defensive glass and making their rotations on P&R were able to limit Powe's effectiveness offensively...

But, as the season wore on, Powe began getting more Post/ISO touches from the baseline and extended elbow, which he began executing effectively...this off-season Powe worked exclusively on creating shot seperation, which we saw with the addition of his fade-away jumper in the lane...

So, Powe's limitations on offense have been negated by the diversification of his game and the team is starting to feed him more and as he continues to get touches and experience throughout the year, he should become much more consistent offensively.

As far as minutes go, Powe will always be between 18-25 mpg on this team because of Perk's progress, KG's dominance, and the need to give minutes to Davis in order to promote his development/value as well...However, it is highly unlikely that both Powe and Davis will both stay, so assuming only one remains, a 4-5 million a year deal is not a bad thing for this team assuming there will be ONE backup in the frontcourt, who could play 25-30 mpg depending on matchup and effectiveness...

Powe is already getting more minutes at center this year and the early returns show improvement defensively in this area - and his improved offensive arsenal allows him to be more effective on the other side of the court as well - this should continue as he hones his face-up game more and more...

...I think Boston would like a situational big with length for the matchups against superior offensive centers who are too much for Powe at times, (I say at times because as Powe's offense evens out, he'll be credible enough to still win the overall battle.)

Consider KG's age relative to Powe, it wouldn't be a bad investment to keep the still-developing young big as his growth will be in-step with KG's decline - 4-5 mill may very well seem like a bargain 3 years from now when Powe is good for 16-20 inside points any given game that a 35 year old KG is becoming much more of a jump shooter/defender...

Ultimately, these are the questions that Ainge and company are going to be evaluating - they will also do exhaustive statistical research and comparison to see what equivilent options are available at a price/production ratio...but Powe's per-minute production and overall offensive efficiency are "elite" and certainly not dime-a-dozen...even if undersized bigs are easy to find, its not easy to duplicate the levels of production that Powe gives...

...and as far as defense is concerned - Powe has been SUBSTANTIALLY better on his rotations...his man defense has always been stout and with his team rotations solidifying, there is very little not to like about his game - 10 pts and 4 rebounds in 17 mpg is mighty nice to get off the bench and i'd expect those numbers to be closer to 20mpg 13pts/6.5rbs by season's end...not too shabby...

Nice post, Bill!   

[BillfromBoston]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

Jason Maxiell is 6'7", the same height as Powe.  Detroit obviously valued Maxiell despite his height; other teams will surely do that with other players.

Yes if Powe stays within the Celtics system i see it as a possibILITY but i do not think teams outside of the C's would put the same value on Powe as we do.Also Maxiel got the money from a team he is  already playing for where he proved his worth mainly as a defensive stopper(imo)I do not feel Powe has reached Maxiel's defensive status on the C's yet but will probably show a lot of improvement this season.If the C's offered Powe that type of money i would not be surprised but im not feeling it outside of their organization.Dont get me wrong here i am impressed with Powe personally but i just thinking outside the box for a minute and thinking of the new trend of bigs these days and Powe's type is not in high demand.   

I think the Celtics' system hurts Powe. He will always be a backup with the Celtics, where, game in game out, he has to prove himself. If Powe comes in cold and misses a shot or two, like Tuesday night, he gets less minutes. Last night, he produced 11 points and 4 rebounds in about 9 minutes but was pulled because his playing time allotment was up. So, even if he comes in hot, Powe is only going to get so many minutes. On the Celtics, maybe that's all he deserves because he's backing up a future hall of famer. But if Powe were to play on a less talented team and get 25-30 minutes, he would be allowed to develop into more than a bench player and I think his numbers could approach 15 and 8.  That is where Powe's mind has to be because if he can put up these kind of numbers, his family will be well taken care of in a few years, although 3-5MM ain't chump change either, if he were to stay with the Celtics. 

That's a signifcant point not to be overlooked...the NBA game is about reps and team role...Powe's overall development is slowed by the limited touches and minutes he receives...on a lesser team, he'd be allowed to explore his game more and would hone his game much quicker - right now, he's lucky to get 3 or 4 post possessions in a game and if he misses the first one or two the team will go away from him because of his spot in the pecking order..because of this, I think you have to assume a longer growth curve for a player like Powe...on a team like the Thunder, for instance, he'd be playing 35 minutes a night and would get 12-15 shots a game, which would probably get him to the FT line 7-10 times a night and see him averaging a strong double-double, which would in-turn allow him to refine his game, increase his market value, and move onto a better team with a more established track-record, which would give him a larger role -- developing on a deep, championship team is not the fastest way to become your best as an individual player, though it will accelerate his development in terms of being an intelligent player, so when his time comes, he should explode...though that is likely 3-4 years away on this team...

[housecall]

I have to disagree with Powe getting Maxiel type money offers.I do not think he is tall enough first where most teams are looking for a longer faster more versatile type post man these days.Not many teams play the style of basketball the C's play that compliment Powe's talents.

Jason Maxiell is 6'7", the same height as Powe.  Detroit obviously valued Maxiell despite his height; other teams will surely do that with other players.

Yes if Powe stays within the Celtics system i see it as a possibILITY but i do not think teams outside of the C's would put the same value on Powe as we do.Also Maxiel got the money from a team he is  already playing for where he proved his worth mainly as a defensive stopper(imo)I do not feel Powe has reached Maxiel's defensive status on the C's yet but will probably show a lot of improvement this season.If the C's offered Powe that type of money i would not be surprised but im not feeling it outside of their organization.Dont get me wrong here i am impressed with Powe personally but i just thinking outside the box for a minute and thinking of the new trend of bigs these days and Powe's type is not in high demand.  

I think the Celtics' system hurts Powe. He will always be a backup with the Celtics, where, game in game out, he has to prove himself. If Powe comes in cold and misses a shot or two, like Tuesday night, he gets less minutes. Last night, he produced 11 points and 4 rebounds in about 9 minutes but was pulled because his playing time allotment was up. So, even if he comes in hot, Powe is only going to get so many minutes. On the Celtics, maybe that's all he deserves because he's backing up a future hall of famer. But if Powe were to play on a less talented team and get 25-30 minutes, he would be allowed to develop into more than a bench player and I think his numbers could approach 15 and 8.  That is where Powe's mind has to be because if he can put up these kind of numbers, his family will be well taken care of in a few years, although 3-5MM ain't chump change either, if he were to stay with the Celtics. 

Lets say is this true... what position will Powe play on a less talented team or any other team?A less talented team could not get away with a 6'7"C as a starter.He doesn't have the skill set to play the 3 .How many teams do you see with a 6'7PF these days as a starter?I know Powe has skills worthy of being payed for but i do not think outside this system he would be as sucessful as you think.

I think Powe can handle himself as a 6'7" power forward in the NBA.  I don't think he's going to be a star but his upside potential is 15 and 8 given enough playing time with the right team. The Celtics aren't that team because, at most, with the current roster, Powe is only going to get 18-20 minutes max on average per game. If Powe became a starter with a weaker team, his number of shots would at least double as would his free throws.  That, in itself, would guarantee 13-15 pts per game.  He may not be the most athletic or talented player but he does have a knack of getting to the line and he's quite clever around the hoop. This may not lead a team to the playoffs but it will make Powe more marketable around the league resulting in a bigger payday for him. 

I think Powe can handle himself as a PF in the NBA too but in short spuirts like he plays now but as a starter to play a substantial amount of minutes over a period lets say 25 plus minutes he will get in foul trouble more often than not also most successful 6'7"PF ive witnessed in the past have been more athletic and versatile with their game.They usually can faceup and take their man off the dribble and sometimes hit a consistent 15-18 jumper sort of like KG does.But i feel where you coming from with him developing his game better if he has the opportunity on another  team.

[BillfromBoston]

i have scouted Powe extensively for 6 years, so i have a deep knowledge base...Powe has more game than he's yet allowed to use with this team - which is correct considering the options on this  team.

But Powe has developed his handle and his jumper substantially over the off-season and is becoming a threat to attack off the face-up. His ability to use his counter-spins to get to the glass and his off-shoulder to create seperation for his one-handed push shot and fall-away are plus skills for his level of experience and should only improve with time/reps.

Powe has the ability to hit the set 15-17 foot jumper, but he has not incorporated it into his repertoire yet and it'll still     not at the point where it should be utilized over his post/attack game - but give it another season and it should be.

I look at wingspan and reach when it comes to undersized 4's and while his 6'8" inch height isn't ideal, a closer look at his reach/wingspan shows Powe has the length to be successful- which is why he is such an efficient rebounder and scorer inside despite his height.

He is much quicker than most 4's and is exceptional at getting defenders off-balance and drawing fouls-essential skill for an undersized player playing a to-the-basket game.

His steal and block potential is starting to manifest itself more and more as well. I think he will be a starting caliber PF on a playoff team by mid season of next year - by that I mean that he'd be able to hold his own against any matchup and still be productive - remember, starters don't win the matchup every game against every opponent, its about being productive despite the matchup, and Powe's skill set is on course for that type of ability.

...for this season, i'd count the FREQUENCY of games above 55% TS, 1.25 PPS, and 20/10 PER 40...those numbers should increase from last season, which will indicate a trend toward progressive development...

[expobear]

i have scouted Powe extensively for 6 years, so i have a deep knowledge base...Powe has more game than he's yet allowed to use with this team - which is correct considering the options on this  team.

But Powe has developed his handle and his jumper substantially over the off-season and is becoming a threat to attack off the face-up. His ability to use his counter-spins to get to the glass and his off-shoulder to create seperation for his one-handed push shot and fall-away are plus skills for his level of experience and should only improve with time/reps.

Powe has the ability to hit the set 15-17 foot jumper, but he has not incorporated it into his repertoire yet and it'll still     not at the point where it should be utilized over his post/attack game - but give it another season and it should be.

I look at wingspan and reach when it comes to undersized 4's and while his 6'8" inch height isn't ideal, a closer look at his reach/wingspan shows Powe has the length to be successful- which is why he is such an efficient rebounder and scorer inside despite his height.

He is much quicker than most 4's and is exceptional at getting defenders off-balance and drawing fouls-essential skill for an undersized player playing a to-the-basket game.

His steal and block potential is starting to manifest itself more and more as well. I think he will be a starting caliber PF on a playoff team by mid season of next year - by that I mean that he'd be able to hold his own against any matchup and still be productive - remember, starters don't win the matchup every game against every opponent, its about being productive despite the matchup, and Powe's skill set is on course for that type of ability.

...for this season, i'd count the FREQUENCY of games above 55% TS, 1.25 PPS, and 20/10 PER 40...those numbers should increase from last season, which will indicate a trend toward progressive development...

Bill

I guess you have seen Powe either in high school, perhaps McD's game or as a player at Cal.
I believe Powe is only coming into his own now that he appears to be 100% healthy. At Cal, he was averaging  20/10 on one leg. It's too bad about his knees when he was at Cal but perhaps all will work out in the end. Powe's off to a good start in that in his second year as a pro, he's got a ring. I'm just hoping for a big payday i.e. 3-5MM for him after this year, as people on the board think he will get. He certainly deserves it, after all he's gone through.

[Mr October]

Rondo - 7 mil per
Powe - 3 mil per (although he is playing his way into 4 or 5)
Davis - 1.5 or 2 mil per
Pruitt - minimum

Some more thoughts on Powe: I think he is really turning into a solid bench player and should have a nice long career. He is way too small and limited to be a starter though.

[housecall]

Rondo - 7 mil per
Powe - 3 mil per (although he is playing his way into 4 or 5)
Davis - 1.5 or 2 mil per
Pruitt - minimum

Some more thoughts on Powe: I think he is really turning into a solid bench player and should have a nice long career. He is way too small and limited to be a starter though.

I agree with you about Powe being to small and limited to become a starter(unless someone is hurt),but its not a noc or put down of Powe's talent but i feel ya here.I tried to explain this very thing earlier to a few but i do not think i made my point.Tp to you for recognizing. 

[Tr1boy]

Powe has pretty much arrived this year in my books. His team defense is dead on, his man to man defense skills has improved even more and he can now create his own shots , especially when he posts up weaker players.

James posey no doubt did alot for him. I wouldn't be suprised he likes posey so much the hornets could be one of his top destinations if the offer is right.

Danny shouldn't be relaxing about powe and take him for granted. Without powe our bench is considerably weaker, epecially up front. His effort is priceless and nobody worksout harder during the off season (i say this because the guy comesback year after year in better than shape, being already in great shape to start with).

Danny should try now to offer powe a deal for 3 years at 9 million and see if he bites. (his stats are not impressive enough for full mle just yet)

also offer big baby a 2 year 4 million dollar deal.

both could bite

[JBcat]

Powe has pretty much arrived this year in my books. His team defense is dead on, his man to man defense skills has improved even more and he can now create his own shots , especially when he posts up weaker players.

James posey no doubt did alot for him. I wouldn't be suprised he likes posey so much the hornets could be one of his top destinations if the offer is right.

Danny shouldn't be relaxing about powe and take him for granted. Without powe our bench is considerably weaker, epecially up front. His effort is priceless and nobody worksout harder during the off season (i say this because the guy comesback year after year in better than shape, being already in great shape to start with).

Danny should try now to offer powe a deal for 3 years at 9 million and see if he bites. (his stats are not impressive enough for full mle just yet)

also offer big baby a 2 year 4 million dollar deal.

both could bite

Yeah I would to like to lock up both guys really beyond this season for none other than I'd hate to lose them for nothing via free agency and if need be we could use them as trade bait in future years.

[Tr1boy]

Anyone have any idea what danny is thinking right now with leon powe?? I wonder if he feels he is still damage goods or something.

We can't lose powe, and danny should talk about extension right now. (3 year 9 million dollars)

He is going to be tempted away otherwise this past off season

[billysan]

While I like Leon Powe as well as the next guy and would like to see him stay with the Celtics, I do not want to overpay him. The FA market next year will be very appealing to the Celtics without a first round draft choice. I think Danny will try again to land a higher end midlevel player before he shells out a lot of money to Big Baby or Leon Powe. If that player happens to be a productive PF/C type then one of them will very likely be gone. In any case, neither will get more than Scal level money IMO.

As to Pruitt and POB, both are as good as gone unless we just need a roster spot filled because we were unable to sign anyone. We have Tony and Eddie locked up and when you add Walker/Giddens we should be focusing on a big man or two with a quality PG/SF as the secondary targets. The Sam Cassell spot will be used for our second rounder or a FA but I think we add several, 2-3 new players next year just like this year.