The Boston Clippers

[wdleehi]

Plus, the man who decides this is Ainge. 


And I am sure he has an upper salary number he needs to fit under.  Every GM does.  And that is a good thing.   We have seen what happens to teams that just spend with little thought to the future. 

[Triboy16]

doc said he wanted everyone back but we all know that was impossible especially salary wise

but regarding tony allen specifically i think that was a very snake like behaviour

he got asked specifically if giddens was a direct replacement for allen or something like that and rivers stated no.

This puts tony allens mind in peace, not anymore

[wdleehi]

doc said he wanted everyone back but we all know that was impossible especially salary wise

but regarding tony allen specifically i think that was a very snake like behaviour

he got asked specifically if giddens was a direct replacement for allen or something like that and rivers stated no.

This puts tony allens mind in peace, not anymore

It is possible that comment had to do more with keeping pressure off Giddens than assuring TA he was coming back.

[cordobes]

Thank God we aren't the Boston Knicks, spending $5.5M in the 13th player in the roster.

Plus, I don't see that Doc has lied. He may want Tony Allen back, but for the right price. It's the same with every single player in the NBA.

Anyway, now we'll see how much value has Tony Allen. If he's so useful, there are certainly lots of teams out there willing to give him good money.

[zerophase]

I realize that Tony Allen has his supporters and detractors on this forum, but failing to extend a qualifying offer to Tony Allen is a cheap, chintzy move that is beneath the Celtics franchise.  It's like something Donald Sterling and the Clippers would do.

Tony Allen is a heck of a defender and has been a good teammate.  Even his detractors remember how well he was playing before his injury.  And $2.7 million is peanuts by NBA standards (even if you take the luxury tax into account), especially for a 4th year player with TA's skills.

And to make matters worse, Rivers lied when asked about Tony Allen.  He said that he wanted him back, and implied that the club was interested in having Tony back.  He said that Giddens was not drafted to replace TA. 

Ubuntu or no ubuntu, Rivers is a prevaricating snake who talks out of both sides of his mouth.  As in the situation where he lied about the reasons why Telfair did not return for the second half in NY, he just made matters worse by being untruthful.

If I were James Posey, I would think long and hard about entering into a long-term contract with a franchise capable of acting in this matter.  Shame on you, Celtics.

first off, do not bring ubuntu into this. that is team unity in which only occurs during the season. this is the offseason. the nba is a business. players understand that, coaches understand that. just because we don't bring someone back does not mean we suddenly think they're worthless trash. we won a championship and ta almost never played, which means by the team standard, he's really not all that valuable to us. its a business. remember that before you attack anyone working for this celtics franchise.

[cordobes]

Plus, I think the priorities should be resigning House, Posey and signing a backup PG (or resigning Cassell).

So, in the backourt we'd have:

Rondo
Backup PG
Pruitt
Ray
Giddens
House
Tony Allen
Pierce
Posey

If we sign Walker (and few want him to go to Europe), that'll make 10 players for the 3 backcourt positions.

Add KG, Powe, BBD, Scall and Perkins and you have a full roster. No backup center and no roster flexibility. IMO, that's bad management.

[wdleehi]

Plus, I think the priorities should be resigning House, Posey and signing a backup PG (or resigning Cassell).

So, in the backourt we'd have:

Rondo
Backup PG
Pruitt
Ray
Giddens
House
Tony Allen
Pierce
Posey

If we sign Walker (and few want him to go to Europe), that'll make 10 players for the 3 backcourt positions.

Add KG, Powe, BBD, Scall and Perkins and you have a full roster. No backup center and no roster flexibility. IMO, that's bad management.

And still leaves a hole on the bench at the C. 

[Redz]

I'm sorry, but loyalty is pretty much a bygone term in regards to contracts in professional sports these days.  And that's a two-way street.

I'd love it if these guys were all blood brothers, bonded for life and sworn to the highest standards of morality, but that's not the way it is.

The difference between the Celts and the Clippers is 17 championships.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm sorry, but loyalty is pretty much a bygone term in regards to contracts in professional sports these days.  And that's a two-way street.

I'd love it if these guys were all blood brothers, bonded for life and sworn to the highest standards of morality, but that's not the way it is.

The difference between the Celts and the Clippers is 17 championships.

Or one, if we focus on the last 22 years or so lol.

[Roy Hobbs]

The team just went well over the luxury tax, brought in multiple free agents, and won a championship.  Now, you want to call them cheap?  You want to call them disloyal?

What about Tony's disloyalty, injuring himself and essentially costing the team a year's worth of his services because he got into an off-the-court scuffle that he should have avoided.  Where's the loyalty in that?

Tony Allen isn't that great of a player.  He led the team in turnovers per minute last season, led all of our guards in personal fouls per minute, and was last among our guards in assists per minute.  The team can replace him for less than $2.7 million (in terms of salary), whether through our rookies or via another free agent.  We won a championship without a serious contribution from Tony, and I'm not wringing my hands if he's gone.

I guess I don't understand the point in committing yourself to $5.4 million (in actual dollars, including the luxury tax) for a player that you really don't want.  Doc has always been a Tony fan and supporter, but I think Danny feels differently, and for good reason.

[Redz]

I'm sorry, but loyalty is pretty much a bygone term in regards to contracts in professional sports these days.  And that's a two-way street.

I'd love it if these guys were all blood brothers, bonded for life and sworn to the highest standards of morality, but that's not the way it is.

The difference between the Celts and the Clippers is 17 championships.

Or one, if we focus on the last 22 years or so lol.

Go back even further than the past 22 years then - or even include the past 22 seasons - to compare the C's to the Clippers is nuts.  Take away the 17 banners, and the Celtics still have had a more competitive team in  their off years then the Clippers have had.  I know that the gist of the OP's argument was based on how management deals with its employees, but I can't sit idly and compare the two franchises at any level without pointing out that the Clippers have won one playoff series since they moved to San Diego from Buffalo a bazillion years ago.

[Yakmanev]

When I seen this thread topic I thought the Clippers were relocating to the better city and Boston was going to have the second franchise.

[Andy Jick]

so i guess the celtics should re-sign tony allen to keep brickowski happy?

sorry, but this is hogwash...it's a business and i'm for one VERY proud of this ownership.  they stood behind tony allen during some very tough times in his life.

sometimes you have to make tough decisions and change is a part of that.  i wish tony allen the best - and though i don't like him as a player, i hope that he can land on his feet somewhere in the nba.

but the celtics have done absolutely nothing wrong here, and ownership just spent a ton of money to win a title...

geesh...what will it take to make some people happy? 

[Redz]

When I seen this thread topic I thought the Clippers were relocating to the better city and Boston was going to have the second franchise.

We darn near WERE the Clippers back in the late 70's!

[ma11l]

so i guess the celtics should re-sign tony allen to keep brickowski happy?

sorry, but this is hogwash...it's a business and i'm for one VERY proud of this ownership.  they stood behind tony allen during some very tough times in his life.

sometimes you have to make tough decisions and change is a part of that.  i wish tony allen the best - and though i don't like him as a player, i hope that he can land on his feet somewhere in the nba.

but the celtics have done absolutely nothing wrong here, and ownership just spent a ton of money to win a title...

geesh...what will it take to make some people happy? 

Well put.  Let's not forget that he has put this team through a lot.  They stayed by their guy through a dumb injury and a court trial.