The Boston Clippers

[celticsfan34]

Brickowski with another terrible post. Not shocking at all..he was the same guy that said he was no longer a fan of the team because of the Kevin Garnett trade.

We don't need Tony Allen, what role does he fill on this team? He didn't fill one at all during the playoffs and he turned the ball over at least once in every game. Giddens is a better ballhandler, an equal or better defender and just an overall better player. Tony has had his ACL repaired on twice..what is the need for him? And at $5.4 million?

[CelticBalla32]

Brickowski, are you kidding me? This is almost as ridiculous as your CelticsStuff Live call last summer when you stated that you'd trade Kevin Durant's rights and Theo's expiring for Shawn Marion. Or when you gave up on the team because we traded Al Jefferson.

What do you expect Doc, or any other important member of this organization, to say? "No, we aren't even thinking about keeping Tony. That's why we drafted two wings. Tony is gone. Next question please." No. They are going to do like every other organization, per league rule, and refrain from discussing any transaction before it is made official. Until that point, they sugar-coat it all, again per league rule.

As for the Telfair incident... what do you expect Doc to say? He's in the middle of coaching a game, why would you create negative PR by verbally announcing that Bassy was down at the police station? That's not something Doc wanted to do, and the men upstairs asked him not to in the first place.

This is ridiculous, Brick.

[paintitgreen]

Whoa, Bill! Tell us what you really think.

Brick, seriously, the franchise just put out a boatload of money to draw in two huge talents, in the process going way over the luxury tax, and won a title for its efforts. So after spending all that money, and having already committed at least $71 million to next season, now they're cheap because they won't spend $5.5 million to keep an injury-prone, woefully inconsistent, unreliable and offensively challenged 12th man who happens to be a wing player, the most widely available position in the league? This might be the most ridiculous post I've ever seen.

[crownsy]

He hasn't lost his explosiveness, just his confidence.

If you folks want to convince yourselves that acting like the skinflint Clippers, and getting that reputation around the league, is good business, then go right ahead.  It hasn't worked very well for the Clips, as evidenced by every good player they;'ve ever had leaving (most recently Elton Brand). But hey, maybe it will work in Boston.

thats your opnion, and based no where in reality. the reality is he's suffered two very unfortunate injurys and appears to have lost his explosivness, the only upside he had on offense.

and, if what you say is true, when is that confidance going to come back, and how long are we obligated to hold a bench slot for him under your moral compass?

[Ersatz]

First off, I'm with you on liking TA. I think he's valuable if for no other reason that his defense, and he seems to be a guy everybody likes. I hope he remains a Celtic. But still, this

If you folks want to convince yourselves that acting like the skinflint Clippers, and getting that reputation around the league, is good business, then go right ahead.  It hasn't worked very well for the Clips, as evidenced by every good player they;'ve ever had leaving (most recently Elton Brand). But hey, maybe it will work in Boston.

is completely ridiculous. How far do you want to play this out? Are the Spurs supposed to remain "loyal" to Finley even though he's old, shoots poorly most of the time, and can't play a lick of defense? I could go through every team in the league and name players that, by your standards, they could have kept out of loyalty but didn't. Saying the Celtics should do that is completely silly and would be charmingly naive if it weren't for your cocksuredness.

Luckily, unlike you, today's NBA players don't assume it's 1959. Players and teams are free shop their talents around and get the best deal they can for themselves. This isn't your father's NBA. Thank God.

[Mr October]

I realize that Tony Allen has his supporters and detractors on this forum, but failing to extend a qualifying offer to Tony Allen is a cheap, chintzy move that is beneath the Celtics franchise.  It's like something Donald Sterling and the Clippers would do.

Tony Allen is a heck of a defender and has been a good teammate.  Even his detractors remember how well he was playing before his injury.  And $2.7 million is peanuts by NBA standards (even if you take the luxury tax into account), especially for a 4th year player with TA's skills.

And to make matters worse, Rivers lied when asked about Tony Allen.  He said that he wanted him back, and implied that the club was interested in having Tony back.  He said that Giddens was not drafted to replace TA. 

Ubuntu or no ubuntu, Rivers is a prevaricating snake who talks out of both sides of his mouth.  As in the situation where he lied about the reasons why Telfair did not return for the second half in NY, he just made matters worse by being untruthful.

If I were James Posey, I would think long and hard about entering into a long-term contract with a franchise capable of acting in this matter.  Shame on you, Celtics.

This is a rather extreme reaction for the 10th or 11th best player on the team.

[Roy Hobbs]

If you folks want to convince yourselves that acting like the skinflint Clippirs, and getting that reputation around the league, is good business, then go right ahead.  

After looking at the team we fielded last year, I don't think we have to worry too much about a reputation as being cheap, after we had one of the highest payrolls in the NBA last year (which we will also have for the next two seasons).

[clover]

Celticsblog is more interesting because of Brick's comments, but this one is humongously off.  Nobody's confusing the 2008 Celtics with any vintage of the Clippers, and if anything Doc did Tony the gracious professional favor of expressing interest in his services just as he's entering the FA market.

The last thing we need is for Danny to get all gooey-eyed and sentimental when he's got to carefully navigate such a big-salary, star veteran team--or they will become the Boston Clippers!

[wdleehi]

Just a friendly reminder.  Talk about the topic, not the poster.

[Brickowski]

Sure, they put up the big money for Garnett and it worked out for them.  Garnett was terrific.  But now they are nickel and diming everyone else, notwithstanding their hugely profitable championship year.  Piggy piggy piggy.  If Posey doesn't return and if there is an injury to Pierce or Ray Allen, their alternatives right now are Giddens, Pruitt and Bill Walker, whose knees may be as bad as Tony's.

[Roy Hobbs]

Sure, they put up the big money for Garnett and it worked out for them.  Garnett was terrific.  But now they are nickel and diming everyone else, notwithstanding their hugely profitable championship year.  Piggy piggy piggy.  If Posey doesn't return and if there is an injury to Pierce or Ray Allen, their alternatives right now are Giddens, Pruitt and Bill Walker, whose knees may be as bad as Tony's.

We haven't seen what they're going to do in free agency.  The fact that they don't want Tony Allen back doesn't imply they're being cheap.  They just don't like him that much as a player.

The other thing to consider, of course, is that we still have Tony's Bird rights, so if we later decide that he'd be a good option, we can sign him.  The only thing we lost was a right of first refusal.

[wdleehi]

Sure, they put up the big money for Garnett and it worked out for them.  Garnett was terrific.  But now they are nickel and diming everyone else, notwithstanding their hugely profitable championship year.  Piggy piggy piggy.  If Posey doesn't return and if there is an injury to Pierce or Ray Allen, their alternatives right now are Giddens, Pruitt and Bill Walker, whose knees may be as bad as Tony's.

If Posey doesn't return, they will find someone who will replace him.  

They have three guy making more then 15 million.  


After that, what player on the Celtics roster is worth 5 + million that is not in their rookie contract?  


The only guy is Posey who they said is their number 1 priority right now.  


Hard to call the 7th highest payroll cheap.

[wdleehi]

Does this give Boston more flexibility in using TA in a sign and trade?  What is his max contract the Celtics could use?

[Jon]

This may be the most ridiculous thread I have ever read.  This is Tony Allen we're talking about people, the twelfth man on the Celtics.  Furthermore, what do you think Doc's going to say when the media asks him if he wants everyone back, "Uh, yeah, we want everyone back but Tony Allen"?  Give me a break...

Plus, last time I checked, Doc doesn't have much of a say in who stays and who goes. 

[Roy Hobbs]

Does this give Boston more flexibility in using TA in a sign and trade?  What is his max contract the Celtics could use?

We're still subject to the Base Year Compensation rules.  We can give him a 25% raise from last year's salary without worrying about BYC, which is approximately $2.25 million.