BBD- Which size player will come back from the Offseason?!

[BballTim]

BBD moves with ease out there....the fact that he can do that with his size is one of the things that makes him so effective. he is never going to be a high flier but that is not his game.

if he focuses on his stamina and knocks off some weight in the process he will be fine.

that's how i see it anyway...

  The fact that Davis can do certain things at his size makes him unusual, not effective. You list quickness as one of his attributes. Quickness is directly related to mass. He'd be more effective if he got into shape. Not KG shape, maybe not even KP shape, but without being slowed down by the extra fat.

[winsomme]

BBD moves with ease out there....the fact that he can do that with his size is one of the things that makes him so effective. he is never going to be a high flier but that is not his game.

if he focuses on his stamina and knocks off some weight in the process he will be fine.

that's how i see it anyway...

  The fact that Davis can do certain things at his size makes him unusual, not effective. You list quickness as one of his attributes. Quickness is directly related to mass. He'd be more effective if he got into shape. Not KG shape, maybe not even KP shape, but without being slowed down by the extra fat.

i agree that he needs to get in shape. i just disagree with how out of shape he is...

[BballTim]

BBD moves with ease out there....the fact that he can do that with his size is one of the things that makes him so effective. he is never going to be a high flier but that is not his game.

if he focuses on his stamina and knocks off some weight in the process he will be fine.

that's how i see it anyway...

  The fact that Davis can do certain things at his size makes him unusual, not effective. You list quickness as one of his attributes. Quickness is directly related to mass. He'd be more effective if he got into shape. Not KG shape, maybe not even KP shape, but without being slowed down by the extra fat.

i agree that he needs to get in shape. i just disagree with how out of shape he is...

  Isn't that a meaningless thing to be discussing? Does he need to lose 10 lbs, 15 lbs, or 25 lbs? How much does he even weigh? How much did he weigh at the start of the season? Non of know the answer to any of these questions. But the fact that, after a 108 game season + preseason, everyone agrees that he needs to ge into better shape is worrisome.

[EJPLAYA]

BBD moves with ease out there....the fact that he can do that with his size is one of the things that makes him so effective. he is never going to be a high flier but that is not his game.

if he focuses on his stamina and knocks off some weight in the process he will be fine.

that's how i see it anyway...

  The fact that Davis can do certain things at his size makes him unusual, not effective. You list quickness as one of his attributes. Quickness is directly related to mass. He'd be more effective if he got into shape. Not KG shape, maybe not even KP shape, but without being slowed down by the extra fat.

i agree that he needs to get in shape. i just disagree with how out of shape he is...

Go look at this video again. BBD told these guys he dropped 45 pounds to get into shape from his college weight. He looks so trim right here! Just look at the guys' face. There is no question that he is very close to the senior year weight which means he has to be 25-35 lbs heavier than he was in the workouts. Look at current pictures. This tells you that he has the ability to be in better shape, and that he was concerned enough to drop the weight to be able to be drafted higher, but now that he has "made it" he slips back to business as usual. Once again. This tells me much more about his work ethic than anything else. That's why I think we ought to package the guy in a trade and that Powe is the long term committed player that we would be better off with.

[winsomme]

BBD moves with ease out there....the fact that he can do that with his size is one of the things that makes him so effective. he is never going to be a high flier but that is not his game.

if he focuses on his stamina and knocks off some weight in the process he will be fine.

that's how i see it anyway...

Go look at this video again. BBD told these guys he dropped 45 pounds to get into shape from his college weight. He looks so trim right here! Just look at the guys' face. There is no question that he is very close to the senior year weight which means he has to be 25-35 lbs heavier than he was in the workouts. Look at current pictures. This tells you that he has the ability to be in better shape, and that he was concerned enough to drop the weight to be able to be drafted higher, but now that he has "made it" he slips back to business as usual. Once again. This tells me much more about his work ethic than anything else. That's why I think we ought to package the guy in a trade and that Powe is the long term committed player that we would be better off with.

  The fact that Davis can do certain things at his size makes him unusual, not effective. You list quickness as one of his attributes. Quickness is directly related to mass. He'd be more effective if he got into shape. Not KG shape, maybe not even KP shape, but without being slowed down by the extra fat.

i agree that he needs to get in shape. i just disagree with how out of shape he is...

i just think the conclusion that you and Bball are coming to based on BBD needing to lose some weight is being overstated. and i definitely disagree with you about the amount that he needs to lose.

heck, Perk needed to lose some weight at the end of last season....

[EJPLAYA]

BBD moves with ease out there....the fact that he can do that with his size is one of the things that makes him so effective. he is never going to be a high flier but that is not his game.

if he focuses on his stamina and knocks off some weight in the process he will be fine.

that's how i see it anyway...

Go look at this video again. BBD told these guys he dropped 45 pounds to get into shape from his college weight. He looks so trim right here! Just look at the guys' face. There is no question that he is very close to the senior year weight which means he has to be 25-35 lbs heavier than he was in the workouts. Look at current pictures. This tells you that he has the ability to be in better shape, and that he was concerned enough to drop the weight to be able to be drafted higher, but now that he has "made it" he slips back to business as usual. Once again. This tells me much more about his work ethic than anything else. That's why I think we ought to package the guy in a trade and that Powe is the long term committed player that we would be better off with.

  The fact that Davis can do certain things at his size makes him unusual, not effective. You list quickness as one of his attributes. Quickness is directly related to mass. He'd be more effective if he got into shape. Not KG shape, maybe not even KP shape, but without being slowed down by the extra fat.

i agree that he needs to get in shape. i just disagree with how out of shape he is...

i just think the conclusion that you and Bball are coming to based on BBD needing to lose some weight is being overstated.

heck, Perk needed to lose some weight at the end of last season....

If he does indeed need to lose 30 lbs give or take a couple that is a very big deal. No one doubted Perk's work ethic or fire. He came back the way I thought he would. The difference in him and BBD though was that due to his foot and shoulder injuries the previous year he didn't have the ability to be in the shape he wanted to. BBD has absolutely NO excuses. He is healthy and has been. If he was eating right and putting in the effort he would be in the same shape he was in at pre-draft. We have EVERY reason to question the guys desire. He is a goofball personality that has an entire basketball history of being out of shape. He proved he could do it when he had no choice before the draft. Then he let himself slip back to normal once he didn't have to any longer. Although they haven't said anything, I can't help but think that one of the big reasons that BBD played a lot towards the first of the year and not so much towards the end has a lot to do with his ballooning weight and lowered effectiveness. Doc has a history of playing players that are "earning" their time over potential.

[rondofan1255]

Yeah, I don't see BBD ever becoming anything other than a role player, as in a backup. He is unusual in structure, and has quick feet, etc. but he just doesn't look like he's in the makings to become a really good role player. Anyways, I wouldn't mind him being traded.

[winsomme]

BBD moves with ease out there....the fact that he can do that with his size is one of the things that makes him so effective. he is never going to be a high flier but that is not his game.

if he focuses on his stamina and knocks off some weight in the process he will be fine.

that's how i see it anyway...

Go look at this video again. BBD told these guys he dropped 45 pounds to get into shape from his college weight. He looks so trim right here! Just look at the guys' face. There is no question that he is very close to the senior year weight which means he has to be 25-35 lbs heavier than he was in the workouts. Look at current pictures. This tells you that he has the ability to be in better shape, and that he was concerned enough to drop the weight to be able to be drafted higher, but now that he has "made it" he slips back to business as usual. Once again. This tells me much more about his work ethic than anything else. That's why I think we ought to package the guy in a trade and that Powe is the long term committed player that we would be better off with.

  The fact that Davis can do certain things at his size makes him unusual, not effective. You list quickness as one of his attributes. Quickness is directly related to mass. He'd be more effective if he got into shape. Not KG shape, maybe not even KP shape, but without being slowed down by the extra fat.

i agree that he needs to get in shape. i just disagree with how out of shape he is...

i just think the conclusion that you and Bball are coming to based on BBD needing to lose some weight is being overstated.

heck, Perk needed to lose some weight at the end of last season....

If he does indeed need to lose 30 lbs give or take a couple that is a very big deal. No one doubted Perk's work ethic or fire. He came back the way I thought he would. The difference in him and BBD though was that due to his foot and shoulder injuries the previous year he didn't have the ability to be in the shape he wanted to. BBD has absolutely NO excuses. He is healthy and has been. If he was eating right and putting in the effort he would be in the same shape he was in at pre-draft. We have EVERY reason to question the guys desire. He is a goofball personality that has an entire basketball history of being out of shape. He proved he could do it when he had no choice before the draft. Then he let himself slip back to normal once he didn't have to any longer. Although they haven't said anything, I can't help but think that one of the big reasons that BBD played a lot towards the first of the year and not so much towards the end has a lot to do with his ballooning weight and lowered effectiveness. Doc has a history of playing players that are "earning" their time over potential.

like i said, i disagree with your assessment of how out of shape BBD is.....he is a big boy and he always will be. but you comparisons to Traylor and Miller are way off the mark IMO. BBD could beat them down the floor running backwards.

[BballTim]

BBD moves with ease out there....the fact that he can do that with his size is one of the things that makes him so effective. he is never going to be a high flier but that is not his game.

if he focuses on his stamina and knocks off some weight in the process he will be fine.

that's how i see it anyway...

Go look at this video again. BBD told these guys he dropped 45 pounds to get into shape from his college weight. He looks so trim right here! Just look at the guys' face. There is no question that he is very close to the senior year weight which means he has to be 25-35 lbs heavier than he was in the workouts. Look at current pictures. This tells you that he has the ability to be in better shape, and that he was concerned enough to drop the weight to be able to be drafted higher, but now that he has "made it" he slips back to business as usual. Once again. This tells me much more about his work ethic than anything else. That's why I think we ought to package the guy in a trade and that Powe is the long term committed player that we would be better off with.

  The fact that Davis can do certain things at his size makes him unusual, not effective. You list quickness as one of his attributes. Quickness is directly related to mass. He'd be more effective if he got into shape. Not KG shape, maybe not even KP shape, but without being slowed down by the extra fat.

i agree that he needs to get in shape. i just disagree with how out of shape he is...

i just think the conclusion that you and Bball are coming to based on BBD needing to lose some weight is being overstated. and i definitely disagree with you about the amount that he needs to lose.

heck, Perk needed to lose some weight at the end of last season....

  I said that Davis needs to lose weight (which you agree with) and that any weight he loses will improve his quickness (which seems obvious) and that the fact that he needs to lose weight at the end of the season as opposed to the beginning of the season is worrisome. How did I overstate things?

[BballTim]

like i said, i disagree with your assessment of how out of shape BBD is.....he is a big boy and he always will be. but you comparisons to Traylor and Miller are way off the mark IMO. BBD could beat them down the floor running backwards.

  Clearly BBD isn't in the (size) league of Traylor or Miller. But many of the comments you use to defend Davis (quick, moves well for his size, and the like) were also said about Miller and Traylor when they were either in college or young nba players.

[winsomme]

BBD moves with ease out there....the fact that he can do that with his size is one of the things that makes him so effective. he is never going to be a high flier but that is not his game.

if he focuses on his stamina and knocks off some weight in the process he will be fine.

that's how i see it anyway...

Go look at this video again. BBD told these guys he dropped 45 pounds to get into shape from his college weight. He looks so trim right here! Just look at the guys' face. There is no question that he is very close to the senior year weight which means he has to be 25-35 lbs heavier than he was in the workouts. Look at current pictures. This tells you that he has the ability to be in better shape, and that he was concerned enough to drop the weight to be able to be drafted higher, but now that he has "made it" he slips back to business as usual. Once again. This tells me much more about his work ethic than anything else. That's why I think we ought to package the guy in a trade and that Powe is the long term committed player that we would be better off with.

  The fact that Davis can do certain things at his size makes him unusual, not effective. You list quickness as one of his attributes. Quickness is directly related to mass. He'd be more effective if he got into shape. Not KG shape, maybe not even KP shape, but without being slowed down by the extra fat.

i agree that he needs to get in shape. i just disagree with how out of shape he is...

i just think the conclusion that you and Bball are coming to based on BBD needing to lose some weight is being overstated. and i definitely disagree with you about the amount that he needs to lose.

heck, Perk needed to lose some weight at the end of last season....

  I said that Davis needs to lose weight (which you agree with) and that any weight he loses will improve his quickness (which seems obvious) and that the fact that he needs to lose weight at the end of the season as opposed to the beginning of the season is worrisome. How did I overstate things?

i guess it depends on how worrisome you find it....it seemed to me that you were closer to EJ in your level of concern.

[winsomme]

like i said, i disagree with your assessment of how out of shape BBD is.....he is a big boy and he always will be. but you comparisons to Traylor and Miller are way off the mark IMO. BBD could beat them down the floor running backwards.

  Clearly BBD isn't in the (size) league of Traylor or Miller. But many of the comments you use to defend Davis (quick, moves well for his size, and the like) were also said about Miller and Traylor when they were either in college or young nba players.

to me this goes exactly to your point about it being meaningless how out of shape a player is....

the degree to which Miller and Traylor were out of shape IMO matters and BBD is simply no where near that...

[EJPLAYA]

like i said, i disagree with your assessment of how out of shape BBD is.....he is a big boy and he always will be. but you comparisons to Traylor and Miller are way off the mark IMO. BBD could beat them down the floor running backwards.

  Clearly BBD isn't in the (size) league of Traylor or Miller. But many of the comments you use to defend Davis (quick, moves well for his size, and the like) were also said about Miller and Traylor when they were either in college or young nba players.

to me this goes exactly to your point about it being meaningless how out of shape a player is....

the degree to which Miller and Traylor were out of shape IMO matters and BBD is simply no where near that...

YET!! I think that you are now just arguing to argue. I feel the exact same way BBallTim does. He has let himself get somewhere between 20-40 lbs heavier than before we drafter him. If he sheds the fat then he will be a better player. How can you keep denying that?!

[winsomme]

like i said, i disagree with your assessment of how out of shape BBD is.....he is a big boy and he always will be. but you comparisons to Traylor and Miller are way off the mark IMO. BBD could beat them down the floor running backwards.

  Clearly BBD isn't in the (size) league of Traylor or Miller. But many of the comments you use to defend Davis (quick, moves well for his size, and the like) were also said about Miller and Traylor when they were either in college or young nba players.

to me this goes exactly to your point about it being meaningless how out of shape a player is....

the degree to which Miller and Traylor were out of shape IMO matters and BBD is simply no where near that...

YET!! I think that you are now just arguing to argue. I feel the exact same way BBallTim does. He has let himself get somewhere between 20-40 lbs heavier than before we drafter him. If he sheds the fat then he will be a better player. How can you keep denying that?!

please, enough with the "arguing to argue" stuff.

we have a very clear disagreement in the level of concern regarding BBD as a player and the degree to which we think  he is out of shape and i am simply pointing that out...

[EJPLAYA]

like i said, i disagree with your assessment of how out of shape BBD is.....he is a big boy and he always will be. but you comparisons to Traylor and Miller are way off the mark IMO. BBD could beat them down the floor running backwards.

  Clearly BBD isn't in the (size) league of Traylor or Miller. But many of the comments you use to defend Davis (quick, moves well for his size, and the like) were also said about Miller and Traylor when they were either in college or young nba players.

to me this goes exactly to your point about it being meaningless how out of shape a player is....

the degree to which Miller and Traylor were out of shape IMO matters and BBD is simply no where near that...

YET!! I think that you are now just arguing to argue. I feel the exact same way BBallTim does. He has let himself get somewhere between 20-40 lbs heavier than before we drafter him. If he sheds the fat then he will be a better player. How can you keep denying that?!

please, enough with the "arguing to argue" stuff.

we have a very clear disagreement in the level of concern regarding BBD as a player and the degree to which we think  he is out of shape and i am simply pointing that out...

When you are insinuating that the extra fat is actually part of what makes BBD special, then you are just arguing to argue. No one in sports at any capacity would agree that extra fat is a plus unless maybe they were a lineman. Even then they would prefer that same weight in muscle. If you weren't trying to argue you would have left it at " I don't think he is more than 10-15 lbs overweight". Everyone can see that he is 30ish over. I'm guessing he could actually lose 35-40 and then add some back in muscle. No one can even argue that won't result in a better BBD. Pretending it isn't a big deal that this guy added 25-35 lbs of fat over this year is ridiculous. We will likely be committing to either him or Powe in this offseason and the fact that he has showed a tendency to be a little lazy should be a big concern.