Jaylen Traded to PHI for PG, 2 First Round Picks & 2 Second Round Picks

[LilRip]

Saw this on yahoo where 2 teams wanted Brown

1. Charlotte offer Bridges, Reid & picks for Brown but Stevens wanted Miller & 4 picks. Charlotte said no

2. Brown wanted Denver so they offer Johnson & Gordon but Celtics wanted Murray

Think I would took either deal

While whether those packages are better than the PG + 1.5 firsts + 2 seconds is debatable, when I think about it, I am still honestly stumped why we needed to make the trade NOW. I still cannot reconcile the urgency.

I can make peace with FO thinking that JB needed to go, that he was not as impactful as the media made him out to be, that giving him the max extension would have tied the team up with no clear path for improvement in the next 5 years. I can get behind that. But I would be surprised if there was another team scrambling to get PG and therefore could Brad not have negotiated harder?

I honestly think if we got PG + 3 firsts, that would have been enough of a home run deal. 

[Celtics2021]

Saw this on yahoo where 2 teams wanted Brown

1. Charlotte offer Bridges, Reid & picks for Brown but Stevens wanted Miller & 4 picks. Charlotte said no

2. Brown wanted Denver so they offer Johnson & Gordon but Celtics wanted Murray

Think I would took either deal

I would prefer the deal we have to either.  Bridges is a trash human being.  Gordon is breaking down fast, and there are no picks.  Also, deal two seems highly suspect, as the Nuggets would have had to reduce their payroll by about $23 million to fit it under the first apron that they would be capped at.  They could not make that deal without a lot of other moves.

[Roy H.]

Saw this on yahoo where 2 teams wanted Brown

1. Charlotte offer Bridges, Reid & picks for Brown but Stevens wanted Miller & 4 picks. Charlotte said no

2. Brown wanted Denver so they offer Johnson & Gordon but Celtics wanted Murray

Think I would took either deal

I would prefer the deal we have to either.  Bridges is a trash human being.  Gordon is breaking down fast, and there are no picks.  Also, deal two seems highly suspect, as the Nuggets would have had to reduce their payroll by about $23 million to fit it under the first apron that they would be capped at.  They could not make that deal without a lot of other moves.

To me it depends on what picks Charlotte was offering.  If they were offering two unprotected #1s I would have done it, and tried to flip Bridges (like in PHX deal).

Queta / Mitchell / Garza
Reid
Tatum / Hauser / O'Neal
White / Scheierman/ Hugo
Allen / Pritchard

That's a way better team, a way younger team, a more flexible team, and we'd likely have two unprotected Charlotte picks and an unprotected 2033 PHX #1.

Ball dropped.

Also, interesting that one of JB's former coaches clearly wanted him back.

[RodyTur10]

I'm glad all the drama has come down a bit. I understand emotional reactions when a foundational player, who was here for 10 years, gets traded for a package that the majority finds to be inadequate.

But we still have a very talented team that won 56 games this season. And we basically have replaced Brown and Vucevic for a recovered Tatum, George and Robinson. In my book this means we'll be better. Even if the East may be stronger too. The Celtics are 4th with the bookmakers in Championship odds and that means we're a contender, although not a favorite.

Through the years we have experienced some cutthroat actons with team favorites and (former) All Stars. The last 13 years among others Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, Thomas, Smart, Williams, Porzingis and Holiday come to mind. Lots of criticism and truly felt pain almost every time.

Nonetheless, in hindsight almost every trade turned out to be the right call. The Celtics survived or made quick progress. In my opinion the Celtics management deserves the benefit of the doubt, in particular Brad Stevens.

[jambr380]

Saw this on yahoo where 2 teams wanted Brown

1. Charlotte offer Bridges, Reid & picks for Brown but Stevens wanted Miller & 4 picks. Charlotte said no

2. Brown wanted Denver so they offer Johnson & Gordon but Celtics wanted Murray

Think I would took either deal

I would prefer the deal we have to either.  Bridges is a trash human being.  Gordon is breaking down fast, and there are no picks.  Also, deal two seems highly suspect, as the Nuggets would have had to reduce their payroll by about $23 million to fit it under the first apron that they would be capped at.  They could not make that deal without a lot of other moves.

I guess everybody missed where I laid out this trade two pages ago. The thing nobody is mentioning is that Bridges was traded for a 2033 1st, Grayson Allen, and Royce O'Neale.

So if you assume Charlotte would have given up two 1sts, and not the 3 or 4 that Brad wanted, that leaves you with a net trade of: Naz Reid, Grayson Allen, Royce O'Neale, 3 1sts, perhaps a swap or a couple of 2nds, and you save around $7M in cap space.

That sounds to me like a much better deal than what we got. As I've been saying, I think Brad actually really values Paul George the player and that's why he went with a seemingly worse deal.

[Roy H.]

Saw this on yahoo where 2 teams wanted Brown

1. Charlotte offer Bridges, Reid & picks for Brown but Stevens wanted Miller & 4 picks. Charlotte said no

2. Brown wanted Denver so they offer Johnson & Gordon but Celtics wanted Murray

Think I would took either deal

I would prefer the deal we have to either.  Bridges is a trash human being.  Gordon is breaking down fast, and there are no picks.  Also, deal two seems highly suspect, as the Nuggets would have had to reduce their payroll by about $23 million to fit it under the first apron that they would be capped at.  They could not make that deal without a lot of other moves.

I guess everybody missed where I laid out this trade two pages ago. The thing nobody is mentioning is that Bridges was traded for a 2033 1st, Grayson Allen, and Royce O'Neale.

So if you assume Charlotte would have given up two 1sts, and not the 3 or 4 that Brad wanted, that leaves you with a net trade of: Naz Reid, Grayson Allen, Royce O'Neale, 3 1sts, perhaps a swap or a couple of 2nds, and you save around $7M in cap space.

That sounds to me like a much better deal than what we got. As I've been saying, I think Brad actually really values Paul George the player and that's why he went with a seemingly worse deal.

I said the exact same thing above.  That scenario is much better for us.

And the idea above that Reid and Mitchell would be redundant is off base.  Their games would have been very complementary.

[SparzWizard]

Saw this on yahoo where 2 teams wanted Brown

1. Charlotte offer Bridges, Reid & picks for Brown but Stevens wanted Miller & 4 picks. Charlotte said no

2. Brown wanted Denver so they offer Johnson & Gordon but Celtics wanted Murray

Think I would took either deal

I would prefer the deal we have to either.  Bridges is a trash human being.  Gordon is breaking down fast, and there are no picks.  Also, deal two seems highly suspect, as the Nuggets would have had to reduce their payroll by about $23 million to fit it under the first apron that they would be capped at.  They could not make that deal without a lot of other moves.

I guess everybody missed where I laid out this trade two pages ago. The thing nobody is mentioning is that Bridges was traded for a 2033 1st, Grayson Allen, and Royce O'Neale.

So if you assume Charlotte would have given up two 1sts, and not the 3 or 4 that Brad wanted, that leaves you with a net trade of: Naz Reid, Grayson Allen, Royce O'Neale, 3 1sts, perhaps a swap or a couple of 2nds, and you save around $7M in cap space.

That sounds to me like a much better deal than what we got. As I've been saying, I think Brad actually really values Paul George the player and that's why he went with a seemingly worse deal.

Sounds like Nico Harrison valuing AD more than Luka 

[Celtics2021]

Saw this on yahoo where 2 teams wanted Brown

1. Charlotte offer Bridges, Reid & picks for Brown but Stevens wanted Miller & 4 picks. Charlotte said no

2. Brown wanted Denver so they offer Johnson & Gordon but Celtics wanted Murray

Think I would took either deal

I would prefer the deal we have to either.  Bridges is a trash human being.  Gordon is breaking down fast, and there are no picks.  Also, deal two seems highly suspect, as the Nuggets would have had to reduce their payroll by about $23 million to fit it under the first apron that they would be capped at.  They could not make that deal without a lot of other moves.

I guess everybody missed where I laid out this trade two pages ago. The thing nobody is mentioning is that Bridges was traded for a 2033 1st, Grayson Allen, and Royce O'Neale.

So if you assume Charlotte would have given up two 1sts, and not the 3 or 4 that Brad wanted, that leaves you with a net trade of: Naz Reid, Grayson Allen, Royce O'Neale, 3 1sts, perhaps a swap or a couple of 2nds, and you save around $7M in cap space.

That sounds to me like a much better deal than what we got. As I've been saying, I think Brad actually really values Paul George the player and that's why he went with a seemingly worse deal.

I am confused about your trade math in terms of the numbers of 1sts we would get based on the Charlotte-Phoenix trade.