Jaylen Traded to PHI for PG, 2 First Round Picks & 2 Second Round Picks

[Roy H.]

Obviously yes. Nobody in their right mind would trade Brown for Butler, particularly with other, better trades on the table.

I'm getting a chuckle watching people talk themselves into this dumpster fire.  Again, JB is 29 years old, durable, and is coming off another All-NBA season.  He's not damaged goods, he didn't demand a trade, he's not a drug user with mental health issues.  And we got less for him than anybody thought imaginable two weeks ago. The entire league is laughing at us, because even ESPN analysts know a heist when they see it.

[jambr380]

Saw this on yahoo where 2 teams wanted Brown

1. Charlotte offer Bridges, Reid & picks for Brown but Stevens wanted Miller & 4 picks. Charlotte said no

2. Brown wanted Denver so they offer Johnson & Gordon but Celtics wanted Murray

Think I would took either deal

I would prefer the deal we have to either.  Bridges is a trash human being.  Gordon is breaking down fast, and there are no picks.  Also, deal two seems highly suspect, as the Nuggets would have had to reduce their payroll by about $23 million to fit it under the first apron that they would be capped at.  They could not make that deal without a lot of other moves.

I guess everybody missed where I laid out this trade two pages ago. The thing nobody is mentioning is that Bridges was traded for a 2033 1st, Grayson Allen, and Royce O'Neale.

So if you assume Charlotte would have given up two 1sts, and not the 3 or 4 that Brad wanted, that leaves you with a net trade of: Naz Reid, Grayson Allen, Royce O'Neale, 3 1sts, perhaps a swap or a couple of 2nds, and you save around $7M in cap space.

That sounds to me like a much better deal than what we got. As I've been saying, I think Brad actually really values Paul George the player and that's why he went with a seemingly worse deal.

I am confused about your trade math in terms of the numbers of 1sts we would get based on the Charlotte-Phoenix trade.

We don't know what Charlotte was offering in terms of draft compensation, but I am assuming 2 1sts rather than the 3-4 that Brad was looking for. Those 2 1sts plus the 1 from PHX equals 3.

I realize I am taking some liberties here - maybe Charlotte was offering zero 1sts - but I have to imagine they would at least pass off most of what they got for LaMelo. A deal in which they got 1 1st, 3 swaps, and 3 2nds, along with Naz. Crazy that LaMelo went for so much more than Jaylen.

[Celtics2021]

Saw this on yahoo where 2 teams wanted Brown

1. Charlotte offer Bridges, Reid & picks for Brown but Stevens wanted Miller & 4 picks. Charlotte said no

2. Brown wanted Denver so they offer Johnson & Gordon but Celtics wanted Murray

Think I would took either deal

I would prefer the deal we have to either.  Bridges is a trash human being.  Gordon is breaking down fast, and there are no picks.  Also, deal two seems highly suspect, as the Nuggets would have had to reduce their payroll by about $23 million to fit it under the first apron that they would be capped at.  They could not make that deal without a lot of other moves.

I guess everybody missed where I laid out this trade two pages ago. The thing nobody is mentioning is that Bridges was traded for a 2033 1st, Grayson Allen, and Royce O'Neale.

So if you assume Charlotte would have given up two 1sts, and not the 3 or 4 that Brad wanted, that leaves you with a net trade of: Naz Reid, Grayson Allen, Royce O'Neale, 3 1sts, perhaps a swap or a couple of 2nds, and you save around $7M in cap space.

That sounds to me like a much better deal than what we got. As I've been saying, I think Brad actually really values Paul George the player and that's why he went with a seemingly worse deal.

I am confused about your trade math in terms of the numbers of 1sts we would get based on the Charlotte-Phoenix trade.

We don't know what Charlotte was offering in terms of draft compensation, but I am assuming 2 1sts rather than the 3-4 that Brad was looking for. Those 2 1sts plus the 1 from PHX equals 3.

I realize I am taking some liberties here - maybe Charlotte was offering zero 1sts - but I have to imagine they would at least pass off most of what they got for LaMelo. A deal in which they got 1 1st, 3 swaps, and 3 2nds, along with Naz. Crazy that LaMelo went for so much more than Jaylen.

Oh, I think you are misunderstanding the Bridges trade.  Charlotte gave up a 1st and a 2nd and got back a 1st further in the future.  Also, the report was picks, not first-round picks.  My guess is it was probably a 1st and a couple of 2nds.

[Jiri Welsch]

Obviously yes. Nobody in their right mind would trade Brown for Butler, particularly with other, better trades on the table.

I'm getting a chuckle watching people talk themselves into this dumpster fire.  Again, JB is 29 years old, durable, and is coming off another All-NBA season.  He's not damaged goods, he didn't demand a trade, he's not a drug user with mental health issues.  And we got less for him than anybody thought imaginable two weeks ago. The entire league is laughing at us, because even ESPN analysts know a heist when they see it.

Everything is true about JB. But other things are true as well:

1. The Celtics were not going to extend him
2. Given that fact, ?standing pat? did not guarantee the return for Brown would stay the same.
3. Celtics brass did not think JT + JB + current supporting cast was capable of competing for a title

So while the Celtics did not get Giannis or an insane draft pick haul, they moved on from a situation that was becoming untenable. And it was untenable because Brown is not worth $70 million. He is not capable of carrying a team. He is also the embodiment of the Dunning Kruger Effect and was only going to become more outspoken and challenging.

With Tatum back he was not going to perform in a way that suggested higher value than last season.

George is super dislikable, there is no denying that. But they needed to move on because spinning their wheels for another season or two wasn?t going to get a title. It was going to delay the inevitable.

George is the tallest leprechaun. This was going to stink no matter what. It is a shame we did not get a young up and coming prospect or an MVP. But it feels like Brown was regarded more as a Tier 3 guy and Celtics fans are having a hard time accepting it.

[goCeltics]

As a healthcare professional, I find it a very, very brave stance to assume that drug use is an outlier for a person with mental health issues, to say the least.

I have no idea why they did not take the Hornets package. A very risky, unsound move by Brad. Part of me wonders if he has checked out and realised he has no chance of winning with Chisholm, or if Chisholm is keen on securing some form of insurance coverage for the time PG will likely require away from play.

[No Nickname]

Obviously yes. Nobody in their right mind would trade Brown for Butler, particularly with other, better trades on the table.

I'm getting a chuckle watching people talk themselves into this dumpster fire.  Again, JB is 29 years old, durable, and is coming off another All-NBA season.  He's not damaged goods, he didn't demand a trade, he's not a drug user with mental health issues.  And we got less for him than anybody thought imaginable two weeks ago. The entire league is laughing at us, because even ESPN analysts know a heist when they see it.

Oh I?m not trying to talk myself or anyone else into liking this trade. It?s utterly ridiculous and if I did something like this at my job I?d be fired.

I?m just debating the ?availability? perception of Paul George compared to his contemporaries and wondering he truly is as ?not available? as people say when you dig into playoff games as a component.

[Roy H.]

Obviously yes. Nobody in their right mind would trade Brown for Butler, particularly with other, better trades on the table.

I'm getting a chuckle watching people talk themselves into this dumpster fire.  Again, JB is 29 years old, durable, and is coming off another All-NBA season.  He's not damaged goods, he didn't demand a trade, he's not a drug user with mental health issues.  And we got less for him than anybody thought imaginable two weeks ago. The entire league is laughing at us, because even ESPN analysts know a heist when they see it.

Everything is true about JB. But other things are true as well:

1. The Celtics were not going to extend him
2. Given that fact, ?standing pat? did not guarantee the return for Brown would stay the same.
3. Celtics brass did not think JT + JB + current supporting cast was capable of competing for a title

So while the Celtics did not get Giannis or an insane draft pick haul, they moved on from a situation that was becoming untenable. And it was untenable because Brown is not worth $70 million. He is not capable of carrying a team. He is also the embodiment of the Dunning Kruger Effect and was only going to become more outspoken and challenging.

With Tatum back he was not going to perform in a way that suggested higher value than last season.

George is super dislikable, there is no denying that. But they needed to move on because spinning their wheels for another season or two wasn?t going to get a title. It was going to delay the inevitable.

George is the tallest leprechaun. This was going to stink no matter what. It is a shame we did not get a young up and coming prospect or an MVP. But it feels like Brown was regarded more as a Tier 3 guy and Celtics fans are having a hard time accepting it.

Brad badly misplayed his hand.  There were several teams interested.  He forced those teams to move on by asking for crazy trade returns.  He then took a bad deal, instead of revisiting things later.  Does anybody think that PG wouldn't be there in a few weeks?

It was a mastwrclass in terrible negotiating.  He set a "we have to trade him" mandate, passed on reasonable offers, out priced the market, and then took a horrible deal due to an imaginary deadline.

[Roy H.]

Obviously yes. Nobody in their right mind would trade Brown for Butler, particularly with other, better trades on the table.

I'm getting a chuckle watching people talk themselves into this dumpster fire.  Again, JB is 29 years old, durable, and is coming off another All-NBA season.  He's not damaged goods, he didn't demand a trade, he's not a drug user with mental health issues.  And we got less for him than anybody thought imaginable two weeks ago. The entire league is laughing at us, because even ESPN analysts know a heist when they see it.

Oh I?m not trying to talk myself or anyone else into liking this trade. It?s utterly ridiculous and if I did something like this at my job I?d be fired.

I?m just debating the ?availability? perception of Paul George compared to his contemporaries and wondering he truly is as ?not available? as people say when you dig into playoff games as a component.

One flaw in your analysis: you can't quantify things like the Clippers missing the playoffs due to his unavailability. Therefore, since the Clippers missed the playoffs he's deemed available, even if he wouldn't have been playing in April.

Paul's teams missed the playoffs in 2022, 2023 and 2025.  Would he have been available for 90% of the playoffs those seasons.