The current market for JB, which trade do you make?

[keevsnick]

I don't thing people really fathom that these "poo-poo" platter type trade ideas essentially remove the Celtics from contention in the near term. Maybe you get enough other assets that in a year or two you can flip those for a star an get back into the title hunt but I have no idea why you wouldn't just roll with Tatum/Jaylen for at least another year and re-visit a Jaylen trade next offseason when he'll still have two years left on his deal. Why are people okay just burning a year of Tatum's prime to accumulate assets?

All of this assuming he wants to be traded at all, WHICH WE DON"T KNOW.

[Who]

It feels like Jaylen is crossing - or is about to cross in the near future - the threshold for teams ... where you can't get equivalent established talent for your star because he is too old.

You can only get downgrades or rebuilding trades. Youth, cap flexibility and/or picks.

29 years old. I think this is it. We are either there now or about to meet that point where Jaylen gets too old for equivalent talent trades.

[keevsnick]

Most JB trade tend to involve the Celtics acquiring "depth," which makes sense given that 1 for 1 star trade are hard so a team trading a star usually has to take back multiple peices.

The thing is..... the Celtics are already deep. It was a defining characteristic of last year's team. The idea of trading Brown for 2-4 guys and then not having enough minutes to play everyone and maximize the value of your assets strikes me as a sort of a problem.

Its another reason I just don't see them trading him.

[ozgod]

I don't thing people really fathom that these "poo-poo" platter type trade ideas essentially remove the Celtics from contention in the near term. Maybe you get enough other assets that in a year or two you can flip those for a star an get back into the title hunt but I have no idea why you wouldn't just roll with Tatum/Jaylen for at least another year and re-visit a Jaylen trade next offseason when he'll still have two years left on his deal. Why are people okay just burning a year of Tatum's prime to accumulate assets?

All of this assuming he wants to be traded at all, WHICH WE DON"T KNOW.

We just missed out on Giannis so we have to talk about something and this is a fun thing to speculate about (specially, since Jaylen is one of the more disliked players here and a lot of people wanna ship him out anyway) 


For the record, I do agree with you? I don?t think he?s that soft that to be included in trade talks would offend him to the point where he would ask for a trade. In any case he?s under contract for the next three years. He doesn?t exactly have a lot of leverage.


Also, I doubt he would?ve been blindsided by these trade talks? Brad is not Danny, remember, he kept Jrue, Al and KP informed when he was trying to treat them, because he?s a stand-up guy that way. It?s just pundit speculation that there?s a relationship that needs to be mended.

But it?s definitely fun to speculate, hope is a bigger drug 5an certainty?fresh and new is always more exciting than old and stale. 

[Celtics2021]

I don't thing people really fathom that these "poo-poo" platter type trade ideas essentially remove the Celtics from contention in the near term. Maybe you get enough other assets that in a year or two you can flip those for a star an get back into the title hunt but I have no idea why you wouldn't just roll with Tatum/Jaylen for at least another year and re-visit a Jaylen trade next offseason when he'll still have two years left on his deal. Why are people okay just burning a year of Tatum's prime to accumulate assets?

All of this assuming he wants to be traded at all, WHICH WE DON"T KNOW.

I am generally with you.  The one thing I come back to is the on-off numbers for Jaylen.  They have been negative four years in a row, and often very negative.  Somehow the Celtics were 4.6 points worse per 100 with Brown playing last year than on the bench.  One year you can explain away.  Even a couple of years.  Maybe there was some other deadweight he had more minutes with than his teammates did.  I used to convince myself that because Tatum and Brown alternated a fair bit of their minutes, and Tatum was better than Brown, even if Brown was good, that was part of it.  I very likely argued it in this board.  But Tatum was gone.  He had mostly new teammates.  Derrick White was still an on-off beast.  Of the top 13 players with the most minutes on the Celtics last year, Jaylen was 13th in on-off.  You have to get to the true garbage time guys to find people lower than Jaylen was.

And in the playoffs, small sample tho it was, it was way worse.  The Celtics were 31.4 points worse per 100 with Jaylen playing compared to off.

I think Jaylen is a terrific player, but it really is time to question the fit.  I cannot prop up Derrick White and Hugo Gonzalez by a stat while ignoring Jaylen?s deficiency in it.  So maybe a pu pu platter is good, if you can get a rotation big to spell Queta, a third quality rotation combo guard to go with White and Pritchard, and a versatile forward who is a notch down from JB, but maybe a better fit.

I do not think any random collection of players will do, but I can definitely conceive of some realistic trades that make the Celtics better despite losing the player with the most talent.