Shams: Giannis To The Heat

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Keith Smith: The Heat will bring Bobby Portis in via the Duncan Robinson TPE they have. Miami will be hard-capped at the first apron after completing this deal, which will be in July after the league year changes over.

I am not clear on the hard capped stuff in the new CBA. So MIA cannot add any extra salary beyond the first apron?

I wonder how much wiggle room they have below the first apron. They still need to improve that bench.

Correct, because they are using a TPE from a prior season to complete this deal, they are a first-apron team.

My quick math has them about $15 million under the first apron with only 10 players signed.  They are going to have to move some real salary if they want to keep Norm Powell.

Do they even have any desirable salary to get off of? They just gave away all of their picks. If Miami doesn?t keep Powell, then that will be a major fumble by them.

Agreed. They need Norm Powell. They have no perimeter scorer without him. They will go nowhere with just Bam & Giannis.

I hope they bring back Simone Fontecchio as well. I thought he played well for them. More a pure shooter. I think he would do very well alongside Giannis. Pelle Larsson more of an all-rounder than a shooter. Fontecchio would be better for them.

[jambr380]

[dang] you Riley.They basically gave away 4 1st round draft picks and multiple first round players they picked.

Biggest winners are NOP and Portland who can swap or use Bucks first pick over the next few years. Bucks are going to be awful.
 
I hope Brown stays cause there zero players beyond Giannis that makes sense now. How do we get a big now?

Hey, how do we get those Bucks picks Portland owns? Or the NOP one?

Those Bucks' picks are probably less valuable now.  Milwaukee has a good shot of being a bottom-three team over the next few years, which would only give them two ping-pong balls for the lottery, as opposed to three.

That's actually a funny theory. The Bucks took the Heat package so they could be really bad and stick it to Portland and Atlanta and give them worse draft odds. Despite the sudden revisionist history on how good the Heat package actually is, there's really not a lot of other good reasons for MIL to have taken their offer over the Celtics.

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I hope you folks are right. I don't see anything worth trading Brown for now that Giannis is off the table. I guess the good part is that Brown is under contract for 3 more seasons. He doesn't have the threat to walk for nothing.

Maybe he takes yet another step to get better.

I don't think trading him away for 75 cents on the dollar is the right move at this point.

Goodness Miami paid alot. The unprotected firsts when Giannis is 35 and 37 could be pretty good.

+1

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Chris Haynes: Sources: Tyler Herro is thrilled about a fresh start and playing for his hometown team the Milwaukee Bucks. Herro always envisioned returning home at some point during his NBA career.

That is cool. I did not know MIL were his home team.

I hope he is successful there. I have always liked T Herro. Skilled player. Fun player.

[Roy H.]

The bright side:  we don't have to watch Giannis hoisting 10+ threes per game in Joe's offense.  That's a win.

[Who]

Why are people acting like the Heat deal was so enormous? It was literally the rumored package plus Jakuckonis.

What Milwaukee was asking for from us was enormous, but that?s mostly because they apparently valued Jaylen and Herro very similarly.

That is my biggest concern moving forward. If we do keep Jaylen, we absolutely cannot give him that extension. He is already overpaid and that will be compounded by making him a $70M/yr player.

Looks like last year really was a waste. Winning 56 games, getting #27 in the draft, and losing in the 1st round. At least if we were able to sell high on Jaylen and buy low on Giannis, it would have all been worth it.

Agree. This team feels totally handcuffed now. They are being forced to pretty much run it back after overachieving last season with a roster that just is not very good with a terrible play style and a coach that doesn't seem to know what to do.

This team has so many holes and so little assets to fix them that it just doesn't feel like Brad can fill them with quality.

A roster that without Tatum isn't very good and overachieved.

A roster with Tatum is very good and a 55-60 win season would not be overachieving.

[Roy H.]

Keith Smith: The Heat will bring Bobby Portis in via the Duncan Robinson TPE they have. Miami will be hard-capped at the first apron after completing this deal, which will be in July after the league year changes over.

I am not clear on the hard capped stuff in the new CBA. So MIA cannot add any extra salary beyond the first apron?

I wonder how much wiggle room they have below the first apron. They still need to improve that bench.

Correct, because they are using a TPE from a prior season to complete this deal, they are a first-apron team.

My quick math has them about $15 million under the first apron with only 10 players signed.  They are going to have to move some real salary if they want to keep Norm Powell.

$73 million incoming, $47.5 outgoing = $25.5 million net incoming

Spotrac had them at $41 million below the first apron prior to the deal, so yeah, right around $15 million left to add four players.  If they want to keep Powell, they're presumably going to have to find a taker for Jovic.

[GreenEnvy]

Why are people acting like the Heat deal was so enormous? It was literally the rumored package plus Jakuckonis.

What Milwaukee was asking for from us was enormous, but that?s mostly because they apparently valued Jaylen and Herro very similarly.

That is my biggest concern moving forward. If we do keep Jaylen, we absolutely cannot give him that extension. He is already overpaid and that will be compounded by making him a $70M/yr player.

Looks like last year really was a waste. Winning 56 games, getting #27 in the draft, and losing in the 1st round. At least if we were able to sell high on Jaylen and buy low on Giannis, it would have all been worth it.

Agree. This team feels totally handcuffed now. They are being forced to pretty much run it back after overachieving last season with a roster that just is not very good with a terrible play style and a coach that doesn't seem to know what to do.

This team has so many holes and so little assets to fix them that it just doesn't feel like Brad can fill them with quality.

A roster that without Tatum isn't very good and overachieved.

A roster with Tatum is very good and a 55-60 win season would not be overachieving.

The problem is the playoffs. Two straight flameouts. I know Tatum wasn?t available for G7, but still. After the previous season not being able to hold a lead against the Knicks, we are not getting closer to a championship.

Regular season fluff aside, we need to do something different. I don?t want to become the Cavs or Pistons. The 27th pick won?t do it. Baylor, Walsh, Hugo aren?t taking major steps to be difference-makers.

We know what Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard/Queta are.

Brad needs to do something

[Roy H.]

Why are people acting like the Heat deal was so enormous? It was literally the rumored package plus Jakuckonis.

What Milwaukee was asking for from us was enormous, but that?s mostly because they apparently valued Jaylen and Herro very similarly.

That is my biggest concern moving forward. If we do keep Jaylen, we absolutely cannot give him that extension. He is already overpaid and that will be compounded by making him a $70M/yr player.

Looks like last year really was a waste. Winning 56 games, getting #27 in the draft, and losing in the 1st round. At least if we were able to sell high on Jaylen and buy low on Giannis, it would have all been worth it.

Agree. This team feels totally handcuffed now. They are being forced to pretty much run it back after overachieving last season with a roster that just is not very good with a terrible play style and a coach that doesn't seem to know what to do.

This team has so many holes and so little assets to fix them that it just doesn't feel like Brad can fill them with quality.

A roster that without Tatum isn't very good and overachieved.

A roster with Tatum is very good and a 55-60 win season would not be overachieving.

The problem is, even with Tatum the team has underachieved in the playoffs 3 of the past 4 seasons.

If Joe had been able to use Vuc effectively I'd actually feel pretty good right now, because we'd have our center rotation in place (as Vuc would come back), and we'd have the MLE to add an effective scorer like Simons, Sexton or even Powell. 

But, because of the failure to properly use Vucevic, we need to find a competent center, meaning it's less likely we can add to the team elsewhere.

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HoopsHype: New Bucks guard Tyler Herro has the highest scoring average of any Wisconsin-born player in NBA history. Now you know that.

Ha! Love it.

[celticinorlando]

Why are people acting like the Heat deal was so enormous? It was literally the rumored package plus Jakuckonis.

What Milwaukee was asking for from us was enormous, but that?s mostly because they apparently valued Jaylen and Herro very similarly.

That is my biggest concern moving forward. If we do keep Jaylen, we absolutely cannot give him that extension. He is already overpaid and that will be compounded by making him a $70M/yr player.

Looks like last year really was a waste. Winning 56 games, getting #27 in the draft, and losing in the 1st round. At least if we were able to sell high on Jaylen and buy low on Giannis, it would have all been worth it.

Agree. This team feels totally handcuffed now. They are being forced to pretty much run it back after overachieving last season with a roster that just is not very good with a terrible play style and a coach that doesn't seem to know what to do.

This team has so many holes and so little assets to fix them that it just doesn't feel like Brad can fill them with quality.

A roster that without Tatum isn't very good and overachieved.

A roster with Tatum is very good and a 55-60 win season would not be overachieving.

The problem is, even with Tatum the team has underachieved in the playoffs 3 of the past 4 seasons.

If Joe had been able to use Vuc effectively I'd actually feel pretty good right now, because we'd have our center rotation in place (as Vuc would come back), and we'd have the MLE to add an effective scorer like Simons, Sexton or even Powell. 

But, because of the failure to properly use Vucevic, we need to find a competent center, meaning it's less likely we can add to the team elsewhere.

Joe seems to do this well...mismanage players, doesn't know how to use them properly. Vuc should have been good here but Joe had no idea what to do with him.

Joe is such a sorry coach. It is the elephant in the room.

[JBcat]

Why are people acting like the Heat deal was so enormous? It was literally the rumored package plus Jakuckonis.

What Milwaukee was asking for from us was enormous, but that?s mostly because they apparently valued Jaylen and Herro very similarly.

That is my biggest concern moving forward. If we do keep Jaylen, we absolutely cannot give him that extension. He is already overpaid and that will be compounded by making him a $70M/yr player.

Looks like last year really was a waste. Winning 56 games, getting #27 in the draft, and losing in the 1st round. At least if we were able to sell high on Jaylen and buy low on Giannis, it would have all been worth it.

Agree. This team feels totally handcuffed now. They are being forced to pretty much run it back after overachieving last season with a roster that just is not very good with a terrible play style and a coach that doesn't seem to know what to do.

This team has so many holes and so little assets to fix them that it just doesn't feel like Brad can fill them with quality.

A roster that without Tatum isn't very good and overachieved.

A roster with Tatum is very good and a 55-60 win season would not be overachieving.

The problem is, even with Tatum the team has underachieved in the playoffs 3 of the past 4 seasons.

If Joe had been able to use Vuc effectively I'd actually feel pretty good right now, because we'd have our center rotation in place (as Vuc would come back), and we'd have the MLE to add an effective scorer like Simons, Sexton or even Powell. 

But, because of the failure to properly use Vucevic, we need to find a competent center, meaning it's less likely we can add to the team elsewhere.

I have a different opinion on Vuc. His defense is pretty bad, and has been for a while, that it makes him hard to play in the playoffs. He won?t get better in that area at age 35. He?s fine as a depth piece, but I?m fine with moving on from him.

[angryguy77]

Welp, this is disappointing.

But the Miami offer was better for the Bucks, I?ll concede. I honestly thought the Heat overpaid. Herro is whatever but getting 2 cost controlled decent young players + 4 picks (3+swap right?) is pretty amazing. We got 3 picks including swaps for Pierce and KG and everyone talked about what a steal that was.

Disagree. If Milwaukee was smart, they would've taken Brown and flip him to SA. They have a ton of picks and would probably give those and Fox up. A vet in his prime on that team makes them scary good.
While the Bucks did get a haul, those picks are several years down the road and this rebuild is going to be drawn out longer than necessary.

[GreenEnvy]

Why are people acting like the Heat deal was so enormous? It was literally the rumored package plus Jakuckonis.

What Milwaukee was asking for from us was enormous, but that?s mostly because they apparently valued Jaylen and Herro very similarly.

That is my biggest concern moving forward. If we do keep Jaylen, we absolutely cannot give him that extension. He is already overpaid and that will be compounded by making him a $70M/yr player.

Looks like last year really was a waste. Winning 56 games, getting #27 in the draft, and losing in the 1st round. At least if we were able to sell high on Jaylen and buy low on Giannis, it would have all been worth it.

Agree. This team feels totally handcuffed now. They are being forced to pretty much run it back after overachieving last season with a roster that just is not very good with a terrible play style and a coach that doesn't seem to know what to do.

This team has so many holes and so little assets to fix them that it just doesn't feel like Brad can fill them with quality.

A roster that without Tatum isn't very good and overachieved.

A roster with Tatum is very good and a 55-60 win season would not be overachieving.

The problem is, even with Tatum the team has underachieved in the playoffs 3 of the past 4 seasons.

If Joe had been able to use Vuc effectively I'd actually feel pretty good right now, because we'd have our center rotation in place (as Vuc would come back), and we'd have the MLE to add an effective scorer like Simons, Sexton or even Powell. 

But, because of the failure to properly use Vucevic, we need to find a competent center, meaning it's less likely we can add to the team elsewhere.

I know Vuc is likely out the door, but is it definitive? I still don?t understand what went wrong there. He?s a good shooter and great rebounder.

I wonder if a training camp would make a difference. Seems like he was just thrust into a situation he was unfamiliar with and clearly looked uncomfortable anytime he was on the court.

[Roy H.]

Why are people acting like the Heat deal was so enormous? It was literally the rumored package plus Jakuckonis.

What Milwaukee was asking for from us was enormous, but that?s mostly because they apparently valued Jaylen and Herro very similarly.

That is my biggest concern moving forward. If we do keep Jaylen, we absolutely cannot give him that extension. He is already overpaid and that will be compounded by making him a $70M/yr player.

Looks like last year really was a waste. Winning 56 games, getting #27 in the draft, and losing in the 1st round. At least if we were able to sell high on Jaylen and buy low on Giannis, it would have all been worth it.

Agree. This team feels totally handcuffed now. They are being forced to pretty much run it back after overachieving last season with a roster that just is not very good with a terrible play style and a coach that doesn't seem to know what to do.

This team has so many holes and so little assets to fix them that it just doesn't feel like Brad can fill them with quality.

A roster that without Tatum isn't very good and overachieved.

A roster with Tatum is very good and a 55-60 win season would not be overachieving.

The problem is, even with Tatum the team has underachieved in the playoffs 3 of the past 4 seasons.

If Joe had been able to use Vuc effectively I'd actually feel pretty good right now, because we'd have our center rotation in place (as Vuc would come back), and we'd have the MLE to add an effective scorer like Simons, Sexton or even Powell. 

But, because of the failure to properly use Vucevic, we need to find a competent center, meaning it's less likely we can add to the team elsewhere.

I have a different opinion on Vuc. His defense is pretty bad, and has been for a while, that it makes him hard to play in the playoffs. He won?t get better in that area at age 35. He?s fine as a depth piece, but I?m fine with moving on from him.

He's a below average defender, but his positive offensive contributions (including being an excellent passer that a team can run its offense through at times) and rebounding make him a net positive.

But, in the playoffs, our defensive scheme looked terrible, and we literally made no adjustments.  Queta and Garza were frequently out of position and were fouling constantly (a combined 14+ personal fouls per 36 minutes). 

We took an excellent offensive player, and put him in a position to fail.  Rather than playing in the high post, the team parked him on the perimeter as a spot-up shooter.  He wasn't asked to make passes, except around the outside.  He didn't get post touches.  He couldn't contribute on the offensive boards, because he was 23 feet away. 

So, we negated the offensive skills of an offense-first player, and put him into a terrible scheme on defense where even our seemingly good defensive center (Queta) was getting routinely exploited.