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Re: Shams: Giannis To The Heat
« Reply #75 on: Today at 01:10:05 AM »

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It will be interesting to see how Giannis plays with Davion Mitchell. Davion did a good job for MIA last season but he was a low volume 3pt shooter. Not a comfortable 3pt shooter. If Giannis does his usual over-dribbling and forces Davion into a spot up shooter, Davion could have a much worse season next year.

Re: Shams: Giannis To The Heat
« Reply #76 on: Today at 01:11:47 AM »

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I see absolutely no realistic targets out there for center or combo guard.

Trying to start Hauser and Queta in the playoffs is a disaster.

And having to watch Brown play for this team going forward is so unenjoyable.
I'm still hoping some foolish team reads too much into JBs 6th place MVP finish and gives us a haul.

But I'm not optimistic.

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« Reply #77 on: Today at 01:12:33 AM »

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Re: Shams: Giannis To The Heat
« Reply #78 on: Today at 01:20:39 AM »

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Shams said the Bucks wanted

Brown
Hugo
Baylor
Other young players from Boston
Multiple more first round picks than what Boston offered.
multiple pick swaps

So yeah...that was never going to happen. Not mad at Brad for saying no thanks. not even sure the Celtics were all that serious contenders after that. Seems they were really only leverage.

But am concerned where they go from here.

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« Reply #79 on: Today at 01:22:40 AM »

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Shams said the Bucks wanted

Brown
Hugo
Baylor
Other young players from Boston
Multiple more first round picks than what Boston offered.
multiple pick swaps

So yeah...that was never going to happen. Not mad at Brad for saying no thanks. not even sure the Celtics were all that serious contenders after that. Seems they were really only leverage.

But am concerned where they go from here.
If thats true it seems like Milwaukee viewed Herro and Brown as more or less interchangeable parts.

Re: Shams: Giannis To The Heat
« Reply #80 on: Today at 01:28:05 AM »

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I'm glad it is over. The Heat did a massive overpay.

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« Reply #81 on: Today at 01:37:14 AM »

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I'm glad it is over. The Heat did a massive overpay.

They did.  And if they do not dump a medium-sized salary (Portis, Jovic, or Mitchell) they will have to let Norm Powell walk in free agency.  I would have no problem giving him the MLE.  He should get more, but there are so few teams with cap space he might miss out.

Re: Shams: Giannis To The Heat
« Reply #82 on: Today at 01:42:22 AM »

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Re: Shams: Giannis To The Heat
« Reply #83 on: Today at 02:12:11 AM »

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So much for Kalshi saying had a 73% chance of landing Giannis.

So that 27% chance that Miami prevailed like it was nothing


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Re: Shams: Giannis To The Heat
« Reply #84 on: Today at 02:48:39 AM »

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Finding myself disappointed over this news, especially given that Miami acquired both Giannis and Portis.
If we could have worked a deal to get those two, it would have transformed our team.
Having said that, the Celts were probably wise not to give away as much as Miami did.

There is a report that the Celtics might still be looking to trade Brown.
Roy mentioned that the Celts handled this negotiation as well as they could in regard to the possible negative impact on Jaylen Brown's attitude going forward if he ended up staying in Boston. Maybe he will be ok, but he has always felt unappreciated even before any of this news became public. I just cannot picture him taking this in stride and starting next season feeling positive about being a Celtic.
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« Reply #85 on: Today at 03:47:45 AM »

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Welp, this is disappointing.

But the Miami offer was better for the Bucks, I?ll concede. I honestly thought the Heat overpaid. Herro is whatever but getting 2 cost controlled decent young players + 4 picks (3+swap right?) is pretty amazing. We got 3 picks including swaps for Pierce and KG and everyone talked about what a steal that was.
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« Reply #86 on: Today at 04:07:55 AM »

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Wow, ESPN is unloading on the Celtics as the biggest loser in the Giannis Antetokounmpo trade to Miami.

Basically saying we would have had the best 1-2 punch in the NBA and would have addressed our biggest weaknesses if we had acquired him instead of Miami.
Without Giannis, ESPN says we are left with the same roster issues that led to the early playoff exit with no clear path to a strong upgrade back to serious title contention.
If all that is not enough, they added the additional possibility of an unhappy Jaylen Brown to deal with going forward.

I can agree with many of their points, but if our deal was not going to include Bobby Portis and was going to require the young players and additional draft picks that the Bucks were reportedly demanding from us, there is no way I would have given away that much to complete the deal.
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Re: Shams: Giannis To The Heat
« Reply #87 on: Today at 05:12:44 AM »

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Wow, ESPN is unloading on the Celtics as the biggest loser in the Giannis Antetokounmpo trade to Miami.

Basically saying we would have had the best 1-2 punch in the NBA and would have addressed our biggest weaknesses if we had acquired him instead of Miami.
Without Giannis, ESPN says we are left with the same roster issues that led to the early playoff exit with no clear path to a strong upgrade back to serious title contention.
If all that is not enough, they added the additional possibility of an unhappy Jaylen Brown to deal with going forward.

I can agree with many of their points, but if our deal was not going to include Bobby Portis and was going to require the young players and additional draft picks that the Bucks were reportedly demanding from us, there is no way I would have given away that much to complete the deal.

I'm going to be a contrarian and say I'm not too worried about what the talking heads are saying. I'm comfortable with the position that Brad and the front office took and what they offered. The writers - Zach Kram and Ben Golliver - gave Miami a B- for the deal, because of what they gave up - three rotation players + another bench guy, three firsts and a swap. Miami traded most of their depth and their future picks for Giannis and Portis. Fans will love it because most fans live in the now, they want to contend for championships every year. They're not thinking to 3 years from now when Portis and Giannis might have declined. If they will a championship it will be awesome for the fans for a year, but as we know, fan memories tend to be short and a championship you won 2 years ago is long forgotten amidst the troubles of today.

And I can see the trade from Milwaukee's POV - clearly the best player on either offer is Jaylen, but there's no point if the Bucks giving up Giannis and taking on Jaylen's supermax salary and his title winning expectations if they are pivoting to a rebuild. They would have had to ship him out to a third team which adds an additional set of stakeholders to the outcome. I figure that from a front office point of view, the Bucks weren't thinking "who is the best player we can get back" but rather "what is the best deal that will make us competitive a few years from now". And that deal is probably Miami's, since we don't know what additional team they might have had to ship Brown to to get the assets they really wanted for a rebuild. They get 3 young rotation players, with a possible foundational piece in Kelel Ware, and three first rounders and a pick swap, for added flexibility over the next 3 years. Yes three years is forever for win-now fans but it's actually not that long in the life cycle of a team.

So I'm ok with it, I had gone back and forth on whether Giannis was going to be a true value add over Jaylen and Jayson, considering those two had not played together while we have 9 years of the Jays. Everyone wants to use Jaylen as a pinata for whatever reasons, he's not a personally likeable player, but I feel he issue we had this season was not Jaylen but that we had disruption because we didn't have JT for most of the season (which they overcame) then they all had to adjust when he returned (it worked immediately after his return when JT was the one adjusting but then when he went back to his normal style of play in the playoffs the rest of the team struggled to adjust, and our three point shooting - which the team had been built around - deserted us and they didn't have the multiple options to attack the rim.

But we're still in a great position. We can make tweaks, stay within the tax, because from a long term point of view we're in a solid position. The last thing I want would be for Brad to do a FOMO trade out of desperation with people like Myles Turner, etc. BTW, I'm sure if the roles were reversed those ESPN talking heads would be slamming the Heat for missing out on a "generational player". That's why I don't take too much notice of them, except the ones that I know they know what they are talking about.   :police:
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Re: Shams: Giannis To The Heat
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I see absolutely no realistic targets out there for center or combo guard.

Trying to start Hauser and Queta in the playoffs is a disaster.

And having to watch Brown play for this team going forward is so unenjoyable.
I'm still hoping some foolish team reads too much into JBs 6th place MVP finish and gives us a haul.

But I'm not optimistic.

Yeah, I?m extremely disappointed, but it?ll be a lot more disappointing if we still have Jaylen on the roster at the start of the year. I know he did nothing wrong here, but I?m ready to move on.

This represented to sell high on him for a superstar. That obviously won?t be happening. But somebody has to value him more than the Bucks did

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Keith Smith: The Heat will bring Bobby Portis in via the Duncan Robinson TPE they have. Miami will be hard-capped at the first apron after completing this deal, which will be in July after the league year changes over.

I am not clear on the hard capped stuff in the new CBA. So MIA cannot add any extra salary beyond the first apron?

I wonder how much wiggle room they have below the first apron. They still need to improve that bench.

Correct, because they are using a TPE from a prior season to complete this deal, they are a first-apron team.

My quick math has them about $15 million under the first apron with only 10 players signed.  They are going to have to move some real salary if they want to keep Norm Powell.

Do they even have any desirable salary to get off of? They just gave away all of their picks. If Miami doesn?t keep Powell, then that will be a major fumble by them.