Patriots 2025-26 Offseason Discussion

[Vermont Green]

I could be wrong, but I believe Drake Maye started and finished 10 games last season. I know the team wasn't good, but he was also part of the reason the team wasn't winning too. In those 10 games, the team was 1-9.

My point being, just because the players and coaching around him may have improved this off-season, Maye needs to show improvement too. It's one thing to look like the bright spot on a bad team, but it's entirely different being a QB that can lead a good team.

Physically, he?s very gifted. Has it all. Will be interesting to see if his decision making improves year two, though. I think Josh will help him quite a bit. Drakes IQ will determine whether he has success or not in the league.

An adequate OL will help a lot also.

[Silas]

I could be wrong, but I believe Drake Maye started and finished 10 games last season. I know the team wasn't good, but he was also part of the reason the team wasn't winning too. In those 10 games, the team was 1-9.

My point being, just because the players and coaching around him may have improved this off-season, Maye needs to show improvement too. It's one thing to look like the bright spot on a bad team, but it's entirely different being a QB that can lead a good team.

Physically, he?s very gifted. Has it all. Will be interesting to see if his decision making improves year two, though. I think Josh will help him quite a bit. Drakes IQ will determine whether he has success or not in the league.

An adequate OL will help a lot also.

Let's remember that Drake is still only 22 years old.

[Vermont Green]

Wow, the mock drafts for Pats at #4 are all over the place.  There are probably more, but I have seen:

Travis Hunter
Will Campbell
Armand Membou
Kelvin Banks
Tetairoa McMillan
Mason Graham
Ashton Jeanty
Trade

I think a lot comes down to whether or not the Giants or Browns are able to sign a veteran QB.  If they do, they are more likely to take Hunter or Carter.  If they don't' sign a vet, then I see it as pretty likely that they target QBs in the draft, which could let Hunter fall to the Pats.  Other teams could move up to take a QB also.

One site https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/mock-draft-consensus.php I found put percentages to it based on compiling mock drafts; Hunter 50%, Campbell 16%, Membou 16%.  Other sites I saw had Pats with no chance to get Hunter.

[celticsclay]

Wow, the mock drafts for Pats at #4 are all over the place.  There are probably more, but I have seen:

Travis Hunter
Will Campbell
Armand Membou
Kelvin Banks
Tetairoa McMillan
Mason Graham
Ashton Jeanty
Trade

I think a lot comes down to whether or not the Giants or Browns are able to sign a veteran QB.  If they do, they are more likely to take Hunter or Carter.  If they don't' sign a vet, then I see it as pretty likely that they target QBs in the draft, which could let Hunter fall to the Pats.  Other teams could move up to take a QB also.

One site https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/mock-draft-consensus.php I found put percentages to it based on compiling mock drafts; Hunter 50%, Campbell 16%, Membou 16%.  Other sites I saw had Pats with no chance to get Hunter.

I have seen most of the guys you mention except for Jeanty. He has always been in the 12-15 range and with so many needs for us it would be absolutely insane for us to take him at 4. We could trade down if we wanted him for sure.

[Phantom255x]

The Titans seem very, very likely to take Ward at #1. If so, then it'll depend a little on where Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson goes. If neither ends up in NYG/CLE, I think there's a very high chance 1 of Carter/Hunter falls to #4. Even if 1 guy goes to NYG/CLE, I think that other team may still decide to draft a QB then. The Browns already have Garrett so idk why they'd want Carter tbh unless they want to commit to a very scary pass rush (with no QB).

Ideally, Rodgers goes PIT or MIN, and that increases our odds of Carter or Hunter falling

[Roy H.]

The Titans seem very, very likely to take Ward at #1. If so, then it'll depend a little on where Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson goes. If neither ends up in NYG/CLE, I think there's a very high chance 1 of Carter/Hunter falls to #4. Even if 1 guy goes to NYG/CLE, I think that other team may still decide to draft a QB then. The Browns already have Garrett so idk why they'd want Carter tbh unless they want to commit to a very scary pass rush (with no QB).

Ideally, Rodgers goes PIT or MIN, and that increases our odds of Carter or Hunter falling

I think that Cleveland will sign Wilson and draft Carter.

[Vermont Green]

The Titans seem very, very likely to take Ward at #1. If so, then it'll depend a little on where Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson goes. If neither ends up in NYG/CLE, I think there's a very high chance 1 of Carter/Hunter falls to #4. Even if 1 guy goes to NYG/CLE, I think that other team may still decide to draft a QB then. The Browns already have Garrett so idk why they'd want Carter tbh unless they want to commit to a very scary pass rush (with no QB).

Ideally, Rodgers goes PIT or MIN, and that increases our odds of Carter or Hunter falling

I think that Cleveland will sign Wilson and draft Carter.

It makes no sense to me for CLE to sign an over the hill vet QB which may be another way of saying that is what they will probably do. 

[Roy H.]

The Titans seem very, very likely to take Ward at #1. If so, then it'll depend a little on where Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson goes. If neither ends up in NYG/CLE, I think there's a very high chance 1 of Carter/Hunter falls to #4. Even if 1 guy goes to NYG/CLE, I think that other team may still decide to draft a QB then. The Browns already have Garrett so idk why they'd want Carter tbh unless they want to commit to a very scary pass rush (with no QB).

Ideally, Rodgers goes PIT or MIN, and that increases our odds of Carter or Hunter falling

I think that Cleveland will sign Wilson and draft Carter.

It makes no sense to me for CLE to sign an over the hill vet QB which may be another way of saying that is what they will probably do.

Yeah, but if they don't like Sanders, what are their options?  It's a bad year to be a QB needy team, although they could have done better than what they'll end up with.

[Vermont Green]

Wow, the mock drafts for Pats at #4 are all over the place.  There are probably more, but I have seen:

Travis Hunter
Will Campbell
Armand Membou
Kelvin Banks
Tetairoa McMillan
Mason Graham
Ashton Jeanty
Trade

I think a lot comes down to whether or not the Giants or Browns are able to sign a veteran QB.  If they do, they are more likely to take Hunter or Carter.  If they don't' sign a vet, then I see it as pretty likely that they target QBs in the draft, which could let Hunter fall to the Pats.  Other teams could move up to take a QB also.

One site https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/mock-draft-consensus.php I found put percentages to it based on compiling mock drafts; Hunter 50%, Campbell 16%, Membou 16%.  Other sites I saw had Pats with no chance to get Hunter.

I have seen most of the guys you mention except for Jeanty. He has always been in the 12-15 range and with so many needs for us it would be absolutely insane for us to take him at 4. We could trade down if we wanted him for sure.

https://www.patriots.com/news/deuce-s-mock-draft-1-0-patriots-land-rb-ashton-jeanty-at-no-4-load-up-on-young-talent

I had not seen him predicted to be taken by the Pats other than this one.  I agree that taking him at 4 would be a total reach.

[Vermont Green]

The Titans seem very, very likely to take Ward at #1. If so, then it'll depend a little on where Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson goes. If neither ends up in NYG/CLE, I think there's a very high chance 1 of Carter/Hunter falls to #4. Even if 1 guy goes to NYG/CLE, I think that other team may still decide to draft a QB then. The Browns already have Garrett so idk why they'd want Carter tbh unless they want to commit to a very scary pass rush (with no QB).

Ideally, Rodgers goes PIT or MIN, and that increases our odds of Carter or Hunter falling

I think that Cleveland will sign Wilson and draft Carter.

It makes no sense to me for CLE to sign an over the hill vet QB which may be another way of saying that is what they will probably do.

Yeah, but if they don't like Sanders, what are their options?  It's a bad year to be a QB needy team, although they could have done better than what they'll end up with.

The "draft Carter" part makes sense if you believe he will live up to the hype.  Even if you already have Myles Garrett, it is never a bad idea to take the player you feel is the best available.  Then I guess you have to do something at QB.  Wilson may be mulling other options though.  Wilson to me makes sense for MIN.

Wilson, who visited the Giants this week, is reportedly "ready to sign" with either New York or the Pittsburgh Steelers, but both teams are awaiting a decision from Rodgers.

[wdleehi]

The Titans seem very, very likely to take Ward at #1. If so, then it'll depend a little on where Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson goes. If neither ends up in NYG/CLE, I think there's a very high chance 1 of Carter/Hunter falls to #4. Even if 1 guy goes to NYG/CLE, I think that other team may still decide to draft a QB then. The Browns already have Garrett so idk why they'd want Carter tbh unless they want to commit to a very scary pass rush (with no QB).

Ideally, Rodgers goes PIT or MIN, and that increases our odds of Carter or Hunter falling

I think that Cleveland will sign Wilson and draft Carter.

It makes no sense to me for CLE to sign an over the hill vet QB which may be another way of saying that is what they will probably do.

Yeah, but if they don't like Sanders, what are their options?  It's a bad year to be a QB needy team, although they could have done better than what they'll end up with.

Both the Giants and the Browns are in position to trade up from the early 2nd to the late 1st for Dart or Shough.   And if they both bypass Sanders, how far does he fall?

[Donoghus]

The Titans seem very, very likely to take Ward at #1. If so, then it'll depend a little on where Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson goes. If neither ends up in NYG/CLE, I think there's a very high chance 1 of Carter/Hunter falls to #4. Even if 1 guy goes to NYG/CLE, I think that other team may still decide to draft a QB then. The Browns already have Garrett so idk why they'd want Carter tbh unless they want to commit to a very scary pass rush (with no QB).

Ideally, Rodgers goes PIT or MIN, and that increases our odds of Carter or Hunter falling

I think that Cleveland will sign Wilson and draft Carter.

It makes no sense to me for CLE to sign an over the hill vet QB which may be another way of saying that is what they will probably do.

Yeah, but if they don't like Sanders, what are their options?  It's a bad year to be a QB needy team, although they could have done better than what they'll end up with.

Both the Giants and the Browns are in position to trade up from the early 2nd to the late 1st for Dart or Shough.   And if they both bypass Sanders, how far does he fall?

Good question.  I've seen mocks with Saints at #9 & Steelers at #21. 

[Vermont Green]

I like the off season so far.  I really hope they get a shot to draft Hunter.  But the big question to me is how much better is the OL based on the moves to date.  I don't expect rookies to come in and add all that much in terms of OL, at least not this first season.  Last season, the OL was ranked at or about the worst in the league, probably on average at about 30th of 32.  To me, it would be a huge win if the line improved to a point where they were league average, say 16th of 32.

If you look at the 2024 PFF scores for the projected starters (Lowe, Strange, Bradbury, Onwenu, Moses) they were mostly about league average at their position last season.  Lowe was below average.  For Strange, you have to go back to 2023, he was a little above average that season.  Sidy Sow was above average in 2023.  Onwenu was well above average in 2023.  Lowe is kind of a soft spot in what could otherwise be an average or maybe even slightly above average OL for the Pats in 2025.

We might find a better vet  LT (trade or FA) or we may draft a player that could step in but I am not banking on either of these.  So my question is why not start Onwenu at LT and start Sow at RG.  I think a heathy Sow is better than Lowe.  Sow was very good in 2023 but started 2024 injured and never got it going.  The OL would not be perfect, but you could start the year with an OL that would project to be at least average.  You wouldn't have to experiment in every preseason game, a different combination every week.  We would have younger players for depth (Robinson, Wallace, draft pick).

[SparzWizard]

Looks like Pats talked to Stefon Diggs, but he left without agreeing to a deal. However, states talks will still continue.

[Phantom255x]

Looks like Pats talked to Stefon Diggs, but he left without agreeing to a deal. However, states talks will still continue.

Just like Hopkins two years ago lol. This just felt like a "lets help each other out" move. Diggs makes it look like he has "interest" while he's trying to find another team, and for NE they can make it look like "see, a premier WR visited us and we're trying to make big additions!". I'm sure they are far apart on contract talks though.

Ultimately I don't want him anyways. We don't need a diva in the WR room and someone who can negatively impact Maye if he doesn't get the ball enough. I actually think Josh Allen and the Bills did just fine, if not a little better without Diggs and his toxicity last season. Remember, Diggs was garbage in the AFC Divisional Round game vs KC two years ago and I remember throughout the season he was throwing visible fits at Allen and the Bills when he wasn't getting targets.