Patriots 2025-26 Offseason Discussion

[Neurotic Guy]

Off topic but I just heard someone on ESPN mention that Cam Ward, projected to go #1 this year, apparently would have ranked 7th of all the QBs drafted last year if Ward was in last year's class with the same season and projections he just had.

That's absolutely insane.

But goes to show how desperate teams are for QBs. I mean, Colts took Anthony Richardson at #4 that one year.

Ok but a lot of NFL starting QBs from last years draft. 

[Roy H.]

Off topic but I just heard someone on ESPN mention that Cam Ward, projected to go #1 this year, apparently would have ranked 7th of all the QBs drafted last year if Ward was in last year's class with the same season and projections he just had.

That's absolutely insane.

But goes to show how desperate teams are for QBs. I mean, Colts took Anthony Richardson at #4 that one year.

Ok but a lot of NFL starting QBs from last years draft.

Yeah, I can't remember which draft expert it was, but they had Cam Ward at around 20th on their big board this year.  He's not seen as a particularly great prospect from what I can tell.

That said, there's no way that he's the 7th QB taken last year.  I can see sixth, after the five that went in the first round.  But, the sixth QB taken was Spencer Rattler (5th round), and Ward clearly is a better prospect than him.

[wdleehi]

Off topic but I just heard someone on ESPN mention that Cam Ward, projected to go #1 this year, apparently would have ranked 7th of all the QBs drafted last year if Ward was in last year's class with the same season and projections he just had.

That's absolutely insane.

But goes to show how desperate teams are for QBs. I mean, Colts took Anthony Richardson at #4 that one year.

I have also seen people say he would have been ranked # 4.   

Either way, it would have been in the top half of the 1st round of the draft.   

[A Future of Stevens]

Off topic but I just heard someone on ESPN mention that Cam Ward, projected to go #1 this year, apparently would have ranked 7th of all the QBs drafted last year if Ward was in last year's class with the same season and projections he just had.

That's absolutely insane.

But goes to show how desperate teams are for QBs. I mean, Colts took Anthony Richardson at #4 that one year.

Ok but a lot of NFL starting QBs from last years draft.

Yeah, I can't remember which draft expert it was, but they had Cam Ward at around 20th on their big board this year.  He's not seen as a particularly great prospect from what I can tell.

That said, there's no way that he's the 7th QB taken last year.  I can see sixth, after the five that went in the first round.  But, the sixth QB taken was Spencer Rattler (5th round), and Ward clearly is a better prospect than him.

Last year? I believe it went Williams, Daniels, Maye, Penix, Mccarthy, and Bo Nix 6th.

I've seen analysts say Ward is in the Penix to Nix tier, probably closer to the Nix spot (so 6th.)

[Vermont Green]

So here is a crazy thought that I just had.  What if TEN doesn't take Ward with the first pick?  Everyone in the media and otherwise seems to be assuming he will be the first pick.  But what happens if they decide to take Carter for example, the player that most have as the best player?

TEN    Carter
CLE    Hunter
NYG   Jeanty

This is based on the assumption that these teams all come to the conclusion that none of QBs are worth a top 3 pick, not Ward, not Sanders, not anyone (which is probably the actual truth).  And also that no one wants to trade up for one of the QBs (or is offering enough).

Then what?  Probably the Pats still end up taking Campbell but maybe someone is willing to trade up to #4 (a lot less cost than trading up to top 3).  If Ward actually is no better than Nix who went #12  (for example), does TEN really want to use their #1 pick him?  And if it gets to NYG, they already have QBs so they may like Jeanty over Ward.  All speculation, tis the season I guess but these 3 picks may be the smartest picks these teams could make.

[wdleehi]

So here is a crazy thought that I just had.  What if TEN doesn't take Ward with the first pick?  Everyone in the media and otherwise seems to be assuming he will be the first pick.  But what happens if they decide to take Carter for example, the player that most have as the best player?

TEN    Carter
CLE    Hunter
NYG   Jeanty

This is based on the assumption that these teams all come to the conclusion that none of QBs are worth a top 3 pick, not Ward, not Sanders, not anyone (which is probably the actual truth).  And also that no one wants to trade up for one of the QBs (or is offering enough).

Then what?  Probably the Pats still end up taking Campbell but maybe someone is willing to trade up to #4 (a lot less cost than trading up to top 3).  If Ward actually is no better than Nix who went #12  (for example), does TEN really want to use their #1 pick him?  And if it gets to NYG, they already have QBs so they may like Jeanty over Ward.  All speculation, tis the season I guess but these 3 picks may be the smartest picks these teams could make.

Giants would grab Ward, not the RB.   

The Giants have two placeholder QBs.   

[Roy H.]

Off topic but I just heard someone on ESPN mention that Cam Ward, projected to go #1 this year, apparently would have ranked 7th of all the QBs drafted last year if Ward was in last year's class with the same season and projections he just had.

That's absolutely insane.

But goes to show how desperate teams are for QBs. I mean, Colts took Anthony Richardson at #4 that one year.

Ok but a lot of NFL starting QBs from last years draft.

Yeah, I can't remember which draft expert it was, but they had Cam Ward at around 20th on their big board this year.  He's not seen as a particularly great prospect from what I can tell.

That said, there's no way that he's the 7th QB taken last year.  I can see sixth, after the five that went in the first round.  But, the sixth QB taken was Spencer Rattler (5th round), and Ward clearly is a better prospect than him.

Last year? I believe it went Williams, Daniels, Maye, Penix, Mccarthy, and Bo Nix 6th.

I've seen analysts say Ward is in the Penix to Nix tier, probably closer to the Nix spot (so 6th.)

Forgot about McCarthy.  I can buy Ward going after the Penix/McCarthy/Nix trio.

[Vermont Green]

So here is a crazy thought that I just had.  What if TEN doesn't take Ward with the first pick?  Everyone in the media and otherwise seems to be assuming he will be the first pick.  But what happens if they decide to take Carter for example, the player that most have as the best player?

TEN    Carter
CLE    Hunter
NYG   Jeanty

This is based on the assumption that these teams all come to the conclusion that none of QBs are worth a top 3 pick, not Ward, not Sanders, not anyone (which is probably the actual truth).  And also that no one wants to trade up for one of the QBs (or is offering enough).

Then what?  Probably the Pats still end up taking Campbell but maybe someone is willing to trade up to #4 (a lot less cost than trading up to top 3).  If Ward actually is no better than Nix who went #12  (for example), does TEN really want to use their #1 pick him?  And if it gets to NYG, they already have QBs so they may like Jeanty over Ward.  All speculation, tis the season I guess but these 3 picks may be the smartest picks these teams could make.

Giants would grab Ward, not the RB.   

The Giants have two placeholder QBs.

I said these might be the smartest picks for each team.  I never said the NYG were smart.   

[Donoghus]

I think it's gonna go Ward, Hunter, Carter.  I expect a trade or wild card pick from Pats.  My gut tells me that we might be poised to see a Brady Quinn fall for Sanders. Gonna make for some good TV.

If the Pats do end up taking Campbell, I'd be fine with it but certainly not enthusiastic.

[wdleehi]

So here is a crazy thought that I just had.  What if TEN doesn't take Ward with the first pick?  Everyone in the media and otherwise seems to be assuming he will be the first pick.  But what happens if they decide to take Carter for example, the player that most have as the best player?

TEN    Carter
CLE    Hunter
NYG   Jeanty

This is based on the assumption that these teams all come to the conclusion that none of QBs are worth a top 3 pick, not Ward, not Sanders, not anyone (which is probably the actual truth).  And also that no one wants to trade up for one of the QBs (or is offering enough).

Then what?  Probably the Pats still end up taking Campbell but maybe someone is willing to trade up to #4 (a lot less cost than trading up to top 3).  If Ward actually is no better than Nix who went #12  (for example), does TEN really want to use their #1 pick him?  And if it gets to NYG, they already have QBs so they may like Jeanty over Ward.  All speculation, tis the season I guess but these 3 picks may be the smartest picks these teams could make.

Giants would grab Ward, not the RB.   

The Giants have two placeholder QBs.

I said these might be the smartest picks for each team.  I never said the NYG were smart.   

In what world is the Giants selecting a RB smart in the top three picks?   The Giants have been there and done that.   The Coach wanted Allen.   The GM wanted Barkley. 

[wdleehi]

Of course all of that doesn't matter.   The Titans have already told everyone what they are doing be not adding to the QB room yet.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I think it's gonna go Ward, Hunter, Carter.  I expect a trade or wild card pick from Pats.  My gut tells me that we might be poised to see a Brady Quinn fall for Sanders. Gonna make for some good TV.

If the Pats do end up taking Campbell, I'd be fine with it but certainly not enthusiastic.

Same here. Pats need lots of O-line help, and Campbell could be a really good NFL player for all I know, but top-5 picks are usually dynamic, high-impact scorers or defensive nightmares, and that's what I'm hoping for.

[Phantom255x]

If I, Phantom255x, were GM my moves would be to trade down, then take Jalon Walker, and then with the 2nd round pick + the additional pick you get back, trade that to move up into the 1st round again and take OT Josh Simmons. So Jalon Walker and Josh Simmons in the 1st round.

My prediction on what they actually do? Nothing special. They take Will Campbell at 4.

I truthfully expect Hunter and Carter to be gone. The absolute dream would be Carter falls to #4 and they take him in a heartbeat but I don't think that'll happen sadly.

[Vermont Green]

In what world is the Giants selecting a RB smart in the top three picks?   The Giants have been there and done that.   The Coach wanted Allen.   The GM wanted Barkley.

Do you think Ward is a good pick for any team in the top 3?  I don't know how good he is going to be but the discussion is he might be Bo Nix at best.  Maybe he turns into Jayden Daniels and not Bo Nix, who knows, but I see him as a major reach with the #1 pick.

That said, I agree that (a) TEN probably takes (reaches for) Ward, and (b) that if he did fall, NYG probably take him.  I am just opining that Ward is probably going to end up being a bad pick for TEN and they would probably be better off taking Carter.  And CLE is probably better off taking Hunter over Ward.  If Ward gets to #3, Jeanty is a much less desirable option than Carter or Hunter but I don't think Ward at #3 is such a good pick for NYG.  Now maybe Jeanty is not a good pick at #3 either so which not good pick do you want?

Who knows, but I predict that if Ward is a top 3 pick, the team will be disappointed in the end.  It is like trading the #3 Pick for Nix (potentially).  Who would do that?  It could end up being like trading #3 for Jayden Daniels which would be great.  Or how about the #1 pick for Bo Nix as compared to the #1 pick for Mikah Parsons?

It is just very weird how this draft is shaping up.

[Phantom255x]

I legit forgot the Draft is tomorrow

I can't wait to draft Will Campbell/Jalon Walker/Abdul Carter/Travis Hunter/Tyler Warren!