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Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #180 on: July 23, 2024, 09:10:30 AM »

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Shows how much the international game has grown since '92.

There was zero international MVPs at that point and we wouldn't see an international MVP for over another decade til Nash in '04-05. Hakeem was a US citizen by the time he won.


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Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #181 on: July 23, 2024, 10:17:28 AM »

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The US v. Serbia game in the Olympics will have more MVP awards than any official game in history, even more than the Dream Team because at the time of the Dream Team they had won just 9 MVP (Bird, Magic, and MJ all had 3 each).  The US/Serbia game on Sunday will have 11 (Lebron 4, Jokic 3, Curry 2, Embiid and Durant). I say official because there have been all star games with more.

The Dream Team ended up with Jordan winning 2 more, Malone winning 2, Robinson and Barkley 1 each, but at the time of the team just the 9.

Interesting tidbit.  I guess if Greece miraculously makes it out of their group (Canada, Australia, Spain, and Greece must be this year?s group of death if I am reading the schedule correctly), then a USA-Greece match would tie the MVP total, as Giannis also has two.
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Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #182 on: July 23, 2024, 11:33:36 AM »

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We seem to put a limited number of defensive type players on the court at same time. This allows lots of three and quick east passes under the bucket.   Lucky to have three Celtics that can play defense,plus  Bam , Ant and AD .  Bron has actually play some D .  The rest are gun slingers , too slow or old. Or both . At some point the defensive intensity has to Pick-Up I believe.

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« Reply #183 on: July 23, 2024, 01:05:50 PM »

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We seem to put a limited number of defensive type players on the court at same time. This allows lots of three and quick east passes under the bucket.   Lucky to have three Celtics that can play defense,plus  Bam , Ant and AD .  Bron has actually play some D .  The rest are gun slingers , too slow or old. Or both . At some point the defensive intensity has to Pick-Up I believe.

I've only watched a limited amount, but I agree. 

I also think that somebody should have hard a hard conversation with Kevin Durant and replaced him.  And that replacement should have been JB, social media risk and all.


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Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #184 on: July 23, 2024, 08:39:06 PM »

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Wow, Durant is going for his 4th Olympic gold medal.

16 years of showing up and balling out for Team USA.

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« Reply #185 on: July 23, 2024, 08:47:40 PM »

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Anthony Edwards looks the 2nd best shot creator after LeBron. Ant is the guy others turn to in order to create some offense in the halfcourt.

Not Tatum. Not D Booker. Booker barely involved.

Steph a little but it is more off of movement rather than off the dribble. Same with Embiid.

Aside from LeBron, Ant looks like the leader offensively.

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« Reply #186 on: July 23, 2024, 09:01:07 PM »

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We seem to put a limited number of defensive type players on the court at same time. This allows lots of three and quick east passes under the bucket.   Lucky to have three Celtics that can play defense,plus  Bam , Ant and AD .  Bron has actually play some D .  The rest are gun slingers , too slow or old. Or both . At some point the defensive intensity has to Pick-Up I believe.

I've only watched a limited amount, but I agree. 

I also think that somebody should have hard a hard conversation with Kevin Durant and replaced him.  And that replacement should have been JB, social media risk and all.

Are you saying that because Durant still looks injured or maybe just looks a step slow now?   Or maybe both?  Or maybe JB is just better now?
I haven't seen Durant with Team USA yet this year.


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« Reply #187 on: July 23, 2024, 09:02:53 PM »

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We seem to put a limited number of defensive type players on the court at same time. This allows lots of three and quick east passes under the bucket.   Lucky to have three Celtics that can play defense,plus  Bam , Ant and AD .  Bron has actually play some D .  The rest are gun slingers , too slow or old. Or both . At some point the defensive intensity has to Pick-Up I believe.

I've only watched a limited amount, but I agree. 

I also think that somebody should have hard a hard conversation with Kevin Durant and replaced him.  And that replacement should have been JB, social media risk and all.

Are you saying that because Durant still looks injured or maybe just looks a step slow now?   Or maybe both?  Or maybe JB is just better now?
I haven't seen Durant with Team USA yet this year.

I heard a commentator saying that Durant has warmed up for the last 3 USA games but felt unable to play each time. He still hasn't gotten on the floor in these warm up games.

It doesn't sound like he is healthy.

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« Reply #188 on: July 23, 2024, 09:08:33 PM »

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We seem to put a limited number of defensive type players on the court at same time. This allows lots of three and quick east passes under the bucket.   Lucky to have three Celtics that can play defense,plus  Bam , Ant and AD .  Bron has actually play some D .  The rest are gun slingers , too slow or old. Or both . At some point the defensive intensity has to Pick-Up I believe.

I've only watched a limited amount, but I agree. 

I also think that somebody should have hard a hard conversation with Kevin Durant and replaced him.  And that replacement should have been JB, social media risk and all.

Are you saying that because Durant still looks injured or maybe just looks a step slow now?   Or maybe both?  Or maybe JB is just better now?
I haven't seen Durant with Team USA yet this year.

I heard a commentator saying that Durant has warmed up for the last 3 USA games but felt unable to play each time. He still hasn't gotten on the floor in these warm up games.

It doesn't sound like he is healthy.

Oh ok, thanks for the clarification Who.  I didn't know that he still hasn't played in a single game...man if he isn't ready to play now, how much better will he be in a few more days?  That is frustrating when some other healthy player could have gotten that opportunity.   uggg

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« Reply #189 on: July 23, 2024, 11:18:37 PM »

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I saw this update on Durant on ESPN

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Kevin Durant's timeline to play for Team USA keeps getting pushed back as he recovers from a right calf strain. But he will absolutely be on the Olympic roster when it is set later this week.

USA Basketball coach Steve Kerr met with Durant on Monday and a decision was made to hold him out of the final exhibition game against Germany.

Durant, who suffered the injury while training in mid-June and had an MRI when he joined Team USA in early July, is being considered day-to-day.

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Kerr had hoped Durant would play in one of the games in London but said that the new plan is for him to practice with the team several times when it gets to France later this week. Kerr said he also wants Durant to have some contact and go through a scrimmage before bringing him back, which makes his availability for Sunday's pool play opener against Serbia in some doubt.

USA Basketball has until Saturday to finalize the roster, and Durant will be on it.

"There's no thought of replacing Kevin," Kerr said. "I was hoping he would get a game in here, but it just didn't work out that way."

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« Reply #190 on: July 24, 2024, 03:24:03 AM »

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Steph Curry reminds me of Ben Gordon or Jason Terry in these Team USA games. He is playing off the ball a lot. A small about of ball-handling. A small amount of playmaking. A mix of individual shot creation and off ball opportunities.

I feel like they are taking the ball out of his hands too much. He is a very good passer. They have LeBron handling the ball instead. Then Jrue & Steph sharing it. Then D Booker as a 4th option who is barely involved in the game.

A minature two guard ... I'd rather just play a legit two guard like Anthony Edwards. Play Jrue at the point, Ant at the two, Tatum & LeBron at forward. AD at center. Play with size & speed.

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« Reply #191 on: July 24, 2024, 05:21:40 AM »

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I saw this update on Durant on ESPN

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Kevin Durant's timeline to play for Team USA keeps getting pushed back as he recovers from a right calf strain. But he will absolutely be on the Olympic roster when it is set later this week.

USA Basketball coach Steve Kerr met with Durant on Monday and a decision was made to hold him out of the final exhibition game against Germany.

Durant, who suffered the injury while training in mid-June and had an MRI when he joined Team USA in early July, is being considered day-to-day.

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Kerr had hoped Durant would play in one of the games in London but said that the new plan is for him to practice with the team several times when it gets to France later this week. Kerr said he also wants Durant to have some contact and go through a scrimmage before bringing him back, which makes his availability for Sunday's pool play opener against Serbia in some doubt.

USA Basketball has until Saturday to finalize the roster, and Durant will be on it.

"There's no thought of replacing Kevin," Kerr said. "I was hoping he would get a game in here, but it just didn't work out that way."

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« Reply #192 on: July 24, 2024, 09:35:21 AM »

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I'm fully aware it's warm up games, but it's a bit telling that USA seems to be in very close games against these countries. They're 5-0 but they could absolutely drop a game or two.

They could in the Olympics and it wouldn't be a surprise. Remember they lost to Nigeria and Australia in the preseason games in 2021, then they lost their first game to France in the Olympics. These losses no longer shock people the way they did 20 years ago. They can't just use overwhelming talent and athleticism to overwhelm teams that used to be afraid of them the way they used to, so it will be interesting to see how quickly they can gel together, understand their roles, for some of them to be more selfless and play within themselves, understand what the pecking order is and become cohesive. I think they are too good not to eventually figure it out, it depends how quickly they can do it.

I don't think they care how close these games are, or if they lose some...they're more interesting in building that chemistry and connectedness while playing under FIBA rules because they have such little time before the games start mattering.
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« Reply #193 on: July 24, 2024, 10:16:21 AM »

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I'm fully aware it's warm up games, but it's a bit telling that USA seems to be in very close games against these countries. They're 5-0 but they could absolutely drop a game or two.

They could in the Olympics and it wouldn't be a surprise. Remember they lost to Nigeria and Australia in the preseason games in 2021, then they lost their first game to France in the Olympics. These losses no longer shock people the way they did 20 years ago. They can't just use overwhelming talent and athleticism to overwhelm teams that used to be afraid of them the way they used to, so it will be interesting to see how quickly they can gel together, understand their roles, for some of them to be more selfless and play within themselves, understand what the pecking order is and become cohesive. I think they are too good not to eventually figure it out, it depends how quickly they can do it.

I don't think they care how close these games are, or if they lose some...they're more interesting in building that chemistry and connectedness while playing under FIBA rules because they have such little time before the games start mattering.

But that's part of the problem as I see it. They aren't trying to overwhelm teams with their athleticism and physicality. They don't always play tough physical on-ball defense. They don't always go bully-ball inside and take their time. They don't drive hard but under control.

There's a lot of tentativeness, passivity, and general soft play. I mean, Daniel Theis was outplaying many of Team USA the other day. That's not a talent issue.

I suspect this goes back to knowing how to play the right way. If you are confident in knowing where to be and what to do, it frees you to play really hard. I watch team USA, and I often think they don't know where to be and what to do.

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« Reply #194 on: July 24, 2024, 12:09:00 PM »

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I'm fully aware it's warm up games, but it's a bit telling that USA seems to be in very close games against these countries. They're 5-0 but they could absolutely drop a game or two.

They could in the Olympics and it wouldn't be a surprise. Remember they lost to Nigeria and Australia in the preseason games in 2021, then they lost their first game to France in the Olympics. These losses no longer shock people the way they did 20 years ago. They can't just use overwhelming talent and athleticism to overwhelm teams that used to be afraid of them the way they used to, so it will be interesting to see how quickly they can gel together, understand their roles, for some of them to be more selfless and play within themselves, understand what the pecking order is and become cohesive. I think they are too good not to eventually figure it out, it depends how quickly they can do it.

I don't think they care how close these games are, or if they lose some...they're more interesting in building that chemistry and connectedness while playing under FIBA rules because they have such little time before the games start mattering.

But that's part of the problem as I see it. They aren't trying to overwhelm teams with their athleticism and physicality. They don't always play tough physical on-ball defense. They don't always go bully-ball inside and take their time. They don't drive hard but under control.

There's a lot of tentativeness, passivity, and general soft play. I mean, Daniel Theis was outplaying many of Team USA the other day. That's not a talent issue.

I suspect this goes back to knowing how to play the right way. If you are confident in knowing where to be and what to do, it frees you to play really hard. I watch team USA, and I often think they don't know where to be and what to do.

They can win without playing hard. Most of these guys are concerned about winning the NBA championship next year. They know they can win Gold without risking injury like Paul George. It doesn?t make sense to go all out against inferior teams when they can flip the switch.

If we wanted them to go all out, they should have gotten amateurs like the 1980 hockey squad.
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