2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!

[Donoghus]

Short list for me today.  Will be nice not having to wait almost the entire round before picking. 

[Moranis]

I have 2 guys I really would like to fall to me at 4 (well at least 1).  Here's hoping.

[celticinorlando]

Plenty still left on my list. My strategy is kind of like Roy's...pick guys I loved watching play throughout the years. I love Vince and Penny.

[smokeablount]

I think there is an abundance of talent if you’re looking at single seasons. Should be a quality player for everyone this round.

[smokeablount]

Also, McGrady’s Wilt like season… it wasn’t a fluke.

Not only having the most dominant eligible season here, for 3 seasons in a row including 02-03 before injuries derailed him, T-Mac was top 6 in MVP voting.

Only 2 other guys did it those years: Shaq, Duncan.

3 guys got it 2/3 years: Kobe, KG, and AI.

That’s top 10-20 all time company he’s keeping in a league with no top 75 players.

I paid a heavy premium for theswitch to capitalize on, but I’ll have the best player on the floor every night.

See this article about McGrady’s 02-03 season, 5th best all time not to win the MVP behind Wilt/MJ/DRobinson’s best seasons.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2699535-nba-metrics-101-best-seasons-that-didnt-result-in-mvp.amp.html

[Roy H.]

T-Mac is an interesting pick.  I think I had him mentally ranked #2 on my list in terms of raw talent and performance, behind D12.

But, if your goal in this thing is to "win", from past experience I think voters care a lot about chemistry and intangibles.  Since everybody is ultra-talented, those two things are probably only behind "fit" in terms of how people seem to perceive teams.  It's not simply talent accumulation.

And that's the rub with McGrady.  There's a perception, at least among some, that's he was selfish, lazy, and/or unfocused on winning.  I don't think his recent video talking about how he didn't want to play for Pitino in college or the pros because he demanded too much helps his cause much.  There's no reflection from him that he was an immature player making a bad choice by tanking his interview.  He still feels justified.

Controversial take:  McGrady had more pure talent than Kobe.  But, he didn't have Kobe's drive.

[smokeablount]

T-Mac is an interesting pick.  I think I had him mentally ranked #2 on my list in terms of raw talent and performance, behind D12.

But, if your goal in this thing is to "win", from past experience I think voters care a lot about chemistry and intangibles.  Since everybody is ultra-talented, those two things are probably only behind "fit" in terms of how people seem to perceive teams.  It's not simply talent accumulation.

And that's the rub with McGrady.  There's a perception, at least among some, that's he was selfish, lazy, and/or unfocused on winning.  I don't think his recent video talking about how he didn't want to play for Pitino in college or the pros because he demanded too much helps his cause much.  There's no reflection from him that he was an immature player making a bad choice by tanking his interview.  He still feels justified.

Controversial take:  McGrady had more pure talent than Kobe.  But, he didn't have Kobe's drive.

Good thing I’m the Bulls, and selecting a coach from 1977 onward, I’ll have Phil Jackson at the helm to manage egos and keep everyone motivated.

Since the Lakers/Knicks aren’t featured here, Phil is exclusively a Bull. And no Jerry Krause as GM, I’ll be bringing in Steve Weinman after the draft.

[Moranis]

T-Mac is an interesting pick.  I think I had him mentally ranked #2 on my list in terms of raw talent and performance, behind D12.

But, if your goal in this thing is to "win", from past experience I think voters care a lot about chemistry and intangibles.  Since everybody is ultra-talented, those two things are probably only behind "fit" in terms of how people seem to perceive teams.  It's not simply talent accumulation.

And that's the rub with McGrady.  There's a perception, at least among some, that's he was selfish, lazy, and/or unfocused on winning.  I don't think his recent video talking about how he didn't want to play for Pitino in college or the pros because he demanded too much helps his cause much.  There's no reflection from him that he was an immature player making a bad choice by tanking his interview.  He still feels justified.

Controversial take:  McGrady had more pure talent than Kobe.  But, he didn't have Kobe's drive.

Good thing I’m the Bulls, and selecting a coach from 1977 onward, I’ll have Phil Jackson at the helm to manage egos and keep everyone motivated.

Since the Lakers/Knicks aren’t featured here, Phil is exclusively a Bull. And no Jerry Krause as GM, I’ll be bringing in Steve Weinman after the draft.

that isn't how it works, you either don't get a coach or we do a coach draft (usually the inverse order of the 1st round for players)

[smokeablount]

T-Mac is an interesting pick.  I think I had him mentally ranked #2 on my list in terms of raw talent and performance, behind D12.

But, if your goal in this thing is to "win", from past experience I think voters care a lot about chemistry and intangibles.  Since everybody is ultra-talented, those two things are probably only behind "fit" in terms of how people seem to perceive teams.  It's not simply talent accumulation.

And that's the rub with McGrady.  There's a perception, at least among some, that's he was selfish, lazy, and/or unfocused on winning.  I don't think his recent video talking about how he didn't want to play for Pitino in college or the pros because he demanded too much helps his cause much.  There's no reflection from him that he was an immature player making a bad choice by tanking his interview.  He still feels justified.

Controversial take:  McGrady had more pure talent than Kobe.  But, he didn't have Kobe's drive.

When he got to Houston with a serious coach and a decent team around him, he had his head on straight.

He was 196-107 as a Rocket all time, which if he hadn’t been with Orlando’s joke of a franchise, would have started earlier.

I mean, 4 of the first 6 picks were Orlando guys with immense talent who weren’t top 75. And while I agree the interview isn’t great, all the players hated Pitino.

He went on a 22 game win streak with the Rockets. I’m going to build the best team around him he’s ever had, and he’s the best player in the league.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/rockets-record-with-tmac

[Moranis]

TMac isn't the best player in this league, not even close. He had arguably the best season, but those aren't the same thing.  We do pick seasons, so I get the pick, but even in that year the Magic won 42 games and obviously lost in the 1st round (since he literally never won a 1st round series, except his last year on the Spurs when he played just 31 minutes over 6 playoff games).  And in that playoff series, the Magic were worse when he was in the game and better when he was on the bench (-4.8 on/off differential per 100 possessions). He wasn't on the bench much, but that still shouldn't happen. 

[Kernewek]

T-Mac is an interesting pick.  I think I had him mentally ranked #2 on my list in terms of raw talent and performance, behind D12.

But, if your goal in this thing is to "win", from past experience I think voters care a lot about chemistry and intangibles.  Since everybody is ultra-talented, those two things are probably only behind "fit" in terms of how people seem to perceive teams.  It's not simply talent accumulation.

And that's the rub with McGrady.  There's a perception, at least among some, that's he was selfish, lazy, and/or unfocused on winning.  I don't think his recent video talking about how he didn't want to play for Pitino in college or the pros because he demanded too much helps his cause much.  There's no reflection from him that he was an immature player making a bad choice by tanking his interview.  He still feels justified.

Controversial take:  McGrady had more pure talent than Kobe.  But, he didn't have Kobe's drive.

When he got to Houston with a serious coach and a decent team around him, he had his head on straight.

He was 196-107 as a Rocket all time, which if he hadn’t been with Orlando’s joke of a franchise, would have started earlier.

I mean, 4 of the first 6 picks were Orlando guys with immense talent who weren’t top 75. And while I agree the interview isn’t great, all the players hated Pitino.

He went on a 22 game win streak with the Rockets. I’m going to build the best team around him he’s ever had, and he’s the best player in the league.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/rockets-record-with-tmac

It must be said that this is exactly the kind of argument I'd make to rationalise picking a forgettable-defense volume scorer from a room full of forgettable-defense volume scorers, even if I did pick the best of the bunch.


Everyone please conveniently forget this post in a few hours when I make the opening selection of Round 2.

[Roy H.]

T-Mac is an interesting pick.  I think I had him mentally ranked #2 on my list in terms of raw talent and performance, behind D12.

But, if your goal in this thing is to "win", from past experience I think voters care a lot about chemistry and intangibles.  Since everybody is ultra-talented, those two things are probably only behind "fit" in terms of how people seem to perceive teams.  It's not simply talent accumulation.

And that's the rub with McGrady.  There's a perception, at least among some, that's he was selfish, lazy, and/or unfocused on winning.  I don't think his recent video talking about how he didn't want to play for Pitino in college or the pros because he demanded too much helps his cause much.  There's no reflection from him that he was an immature player making a bad choice by tanking his interview.  He still feels justified.

Controversial take:  McGrady had more pure talent than Kobe.  But, he didn't have Kobe's drive.

When he got to Houston with a serious coach and a decent team around him, he had his head on straight.

He was 196-107 as a Rocket all time, which if he hadn’t been with Orlando’s joke of a franchise, would have started earlier.

I mean, 4 of the first 6 picks were Orlando guys with immense talent who weren’t top 75. And while I agree the interview isn’t great, all the players hated Pitino.

He went on a 22 game win streak with the Rockets. I’m going to build the best team around him he’s ever had, and he’s the best player in the league.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/rockets-record-with-tmac

It must be said that this is exactly the kind of argument I'd make to rationalise picking a forgettable-defense volume scorer from a room full of forgettable-defense volume scorers, even if I did pick the best of the bunch.


Everyone please conveniently forget this post in a few hours when I make the opening selection of Round 2.

Haha.  I know one forgettable-defense volume scorer who I think goes in the top half of this round.  There are multiple out there.

[Who]

Elton Brand: Woah, I was not expecting this pick lol. Brand is a really fun player though, who's all around game was very polished. For a guy who was only 6'9", he rebounded and blocked shots like a beast.

More like 6-7. They listed him at 6-8 and that was with the extra inch or inch and a half for shoes. Freaky long arms though. He had the reach of a center. 7 foot 5 inches and a half wingspan. Unreal. He had the reach of 9 foot 2 inches. That is a good reach for a center.

Similar with Zo. Zo only 6-9 and a half but has a 7-6 and a half wingspan. What allowed him block so many shots despite being an undersized center.

[Celtic Fan Forever]

T-Mac is an interesting pick.  I think I had him mentally ranked #2 on my list in terms of raw talent and performance, behind D12.

But, if your goal in this thing is to "win", from past experience I think voters care a lot about chemistry and intangibles.  Since everybody is ultra-talented, those two things are probably only behind "fit" in terms of how people seem to perceive teams.  It's not simply talent accumulation.

And that's the rub with McGrady.  There's a perception, at least among some, that's he was selfish, lazy, and/or unfocused on winning.  I don't think his recent video talking about how he didn't want to play for Pitino in college or the pros because he demanded too much helps his cause much.  There's no reflection from him that he was an immature player making a bad choice by tanking his interview.  He still feels justified.

Controversial take:  McGrady had more pure talent than Kobe.  But, he didn't have Kobe's drive.

When he got to Houston with a serious coach and a decent team around him, he had his head on straight.

He was 196-107 as a Rocket all time, which if he hadn’t been with Orlando’s joke of a franchise, would have started earlier.

I mean, 4 of the first 6 picks were Orlando guys with immense talent who weren’t top 75. And while I agree the interview isn’t great, all the players hated Pitino.

He went on a 22 game win streak with the Rockets. I’m going to build the best team around him he’s ever had, and he’s the best player in the league.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/rockets-record-with-tmac

It must be said that this is exactly the kind of argument I'd make to rationalise picking a forgettable-defense volume scorer from a room full of forgettable-defense volume scorers, even if I did pick the best of the bunch.


Everyone please conveniently forget this post in a few hours when I make the opening selection of Round 2.

Haha.  I know one forgettable-defense volume scorer who I think goes in the top half of this round.  There are multiple out there.

I see at least 2 of those guys going this round. I had one as a sure fire first rounder

[Who]

T-Mac is an interesting pick.  I think I had him mentally ranked #2 on my list in terms of raw talent and performance, behind D12.

But, if your goal in this thing is to "win", from past experience I think voters care a lot about chemistry and intangibles.  Since everybody is ultra-talented, those two things are probably only behind "fit" in terms of how people seem to perceive teams.  It's not simply talent accumulation.

And that's the rub with McGrady.  There's a perception, at least among some, that's he was selfish, lazy, and/or unfocused on winning.  I don't think his recent video talking about how he didn't want to play for Pitino in college or the pros because he demanded too much helps his cause much.  There's no reflection from him that he was an immature player making a bad choice by tanking his interview.  He still feels justified.

Controversial take:  McGrady had more pure talent than Kobe.  But, he didn't have Kobe's drive.

When he got to Houston with a serious coach and a decent team around him, he had his head on straight.

He was 196-107 as a Rocket all time, which if he hadn’t been with Orlando’s joke of a franchise, would have started earlier.

I mean, 4 of the first 6 picks were Orlando guys with immense talent who weren’t top 75. And while I agree the interview isn’t great, all the players hated Pitino.

He went on a 22 game win streak with the Rockets. I’m going to build the best team around him he’s ever had, and he’s the best player in the league.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/rockets-record-with-tmac

That is an impressive W-L record.