Free agency starts / reported signings (merged)

[Vermont Green]

So Saric finally joins the Warriors.

That does not disappoint me all that much.  Saric may bounce back, he is still young enough, but he has not really done much of anything for several injury riddled seasons.

I think a trade for a bench PF/C (with the TPE and picks) is the more likely avenue to fill this role at this point, although I would not be against bringing in Wood on a min contract.  He will probably end up in MIA or LAL though.  So be it.

We aren’t using the TPE and picks to get someone this year.  Not happening.  If a trade nets us another bench player, it will be because we traded Brogdon for two players.  We’re not going above the second apron.

We don’t need to use the full TPE. We could get someone for around $5 million then cut either Champagnie or Kornet. The net would be only adding about $3 million.  Not suggesting, we just add $6 million to the cap.

It is not likely. But this is something that can be worked out.

But that’s what the MLE is for, not the TPE.

If we use some or all of the MLE, we hard cap ourselves.  If we use the TPE, we are not hard capped.  Both are options.  I see a few options we could go after with the TPE that seem to me more likely than getting a useful bench PF at this point the the MLE:

Isaiah Stewart      $5.3M
Jalen Smith          $5.0M
Jaden McDaniels    $3.9M
Precious Achiuwa  $4.4M
Jon. Kuminga       $6.0M

Again, my idea is to trade for them using picks and the TPE, but also waive Champagnie or Kornet to stay at 14 roster spots and reduce the net impact to the cap.  To me, this is a perfectly viable option.  They probably won't do anything with it but to me, swapping Champagnie in particular for an actual useful PF, for the cost of some picks, would be a really good value transaction.

[Birdman]

Warriors hit Dario Saric & Corey Joseph..adding some good bench players

[Vermont Green]

Just a lot of contradictions with Brad and Wyc about spending. He got the OK to spend but it sounds like they don't wanna pay the luxury tax. If you're a contender, you gotta pay the tax. Care about the team or sell it.

I think there is some conflation with the tax and the second apron.  We are going to be paying tax this season.  Right now, we are about $12M over the tax threshold (per Spotrac).  The trade for Porzingis added salary and tax.  The team is clearly willing to pay tax.  There is really no scenario where the team is below the tax line this season or the foreseeable future.  Any salary we add is even more tax but paying the tax is pretty much a given.

It is the second apron level that is the consideration that may or may not be in play.  We are currently below this second apron.  If we exceed the second apron, certain penalties, that have nothing to do with the level of tax paid, will kick in.  Some of the penalties may apply this season, others don't apply until next season, some don't apply until 2030.  It is still TBD if the team is willing to go above this second apron this season.  They are going to be over it when the extensions for Brown and Tatum kick in.

[celticsclay]

Dario Saric and Christian Wood reportedly have only had vet min offers so far. The Celtics should grab one of these two guys for part of the MLE and fill that need for a backup power forward.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-warriors-named-likely-landing-spot-for-dario-saric-but-there-catch

Christian Wood reportedly turned down a 2-year, $36 million extension from Dallas mid-season.  People here were crowning Grant with the Dennis Schröder award, but really it looks like Wood is on his way to winning it.

Yikes. He’ll probably go ring chasing for a year before looking for a new long term deal.

You know LAL need a PF. C Wood could start there ahead of Vanderbilt. A mini-AD. Very good fit for both player and team. Rebuild that value with all eyes on LeBron's team watching him do it.

The other contender that badly needs a PF is the Miami Heat. Kevin Love would be his only competition.

Haha. That is funny. The two teams right now that nobody wants to see guys go to because FAs want to go there so often but they are the two teams that can offer him the best opportunity in terms of playing time, winning and limelight.

Who you know your basketball generally very well so I am just getting kind of baffled that you keep peddling this patently false argument that the lakers have been a free agent destination. Please take a look at this: https://clutchpoints.com/every-notable-los-angeles-lakers-free-agent-signing-by-year

Outside of Lebron there is a very good chance this the worst group of free agent signings of the last 12-15 years. They were massively overpaying guys like mosgov, deng, jordan hill with their cap space. Their second best signing after Lebron was probably signing 33 year old rondo for 9 million. Other notable signings included kcp for 18 million, washed Andrew bogut, washed lance stephenson, Nick young, Michael beasely etc. guys they aggressively wanted like Leonard, Aldridge and Lowry all refused to go there. Aldridge famously called their pitch a joke with no basketball discussion and Kobe in sweat pants. I really can’t get the lakers are big free agent destination right now. It’s completely inacccurate. We a team people have said nobody wants to go to blow them out of the water with our signings.

[celticsclay]

Warriors hit Dario Saric & Corey Joseph..adding some good bench players

Will be interesting if saric plays any real role. He really struggled with his speed and quickness for nba even before his injury, not sure if he can get back to that at all further removed from the injury . He is still only 29. I wouldn’t have hated a flier on him as our 4th big. Funnily, Saric kind of the poster child along with Noel for don’t grade a trade too early jrue holiday made an all star team least year and saric is on the fringes of the league and noel may be out of it.

[Who]

Dario Saric and Christian Wood reportedly have only had vet min offers so far. The Celtics should grab one of these two guys for part of the MLE and fill that need for a backup power forward.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-warriors-named-likely-landing-spot-for-dario-saric-but-there-catch

Christian Wood reportedly turned down a 2-year, $36 million extension from Dallas mid-season.  People here were crowning Grant with the Dennis Schröder award, but really it looks like Wood is on his way to winning it.

Yikes. He’ll probably go ring chasing for a year before looking for a new long term deal.

You know LAL need a PF. C Wood could start there ahead of Vanderbilt. A mini-AD. Very good fit for both player and team. Rebuild that value with all eyes on LeBron's team watching him do it.

The other contender that badly needs a PF is the Miami Heat. Kevin Love would be his only competition.

Haha. That is funny. The two teams right now that nobody wants to see guys go to because FAs want to go there so often but they are the two teams that can offer him the best opportunity in terms of playing time, winning and limelight.

Who you know your basketball generally very well so I am just getting kind of baffled that you keep peddling this patently false argument that the lakers have been a free agent destination. Please take a look at this: https://clutchpoints.com/every-notable-los-angeles-lakers-free-agent-signing-by-year

Outside of Lebron there is a very good chance this the worst group of free agent signings of the last 12-15 years. They were massively overpaying guys like mosgov, deng, jordan hill with their cap space. Their second best signing after Lebron was probably signing 33 year old rondo for 9 million. Other notable signings included kcp for 18 million, washed Andrew bogut, washed lance stephenson, Nick young, Michael beasely etc. guys they aggressively wanted like Leonard, Aldridge and Lowry all refused to go there. Aldridge famously called their pitch a joke with no basketball discussion and Kobe in sweat pants. I really can’t get the lakers are big free agent destination right now. It’s completely inacccurate. We a team people have said nobody wants to go to blow them out of the water with our signings.

I agree with your general point that LAL's FA advantage is over-stated but that is not what I am talking about in this specific instance.

This is a player (C Wood) who is struggling to get any good offers in FA and is looking for a good spot to rebuild his value. Of the good playoff teams, the two teams that can offer him the best opportunity to play big minutes and rebuild his reputation is MIA and LAL because they are the two good playoff teams with the worst starting PFs.

Nothing to do with them being a a FA destination. It is about playing time, role, opportunity to rebuild his reputation to return to the FA market 12 months from now and get a better deal.

[Celtics2021]

Paul Reed signs a 3 year, $23 million offer sheet with Utah.  Years 2 and 3 guarantee if his team makes the conference semifinals this year.  So it likely won’t guarantee with Utah, but if Philly matches, they’re probably signing up for the full three years.

[footey]

Paul Reed signs a 3 year, $23 million offer sheet with Utah.  Years 2 and 3 guarantee if his team makes the conference semifinals this year.  So it likely won’t guarantee with Utah, but if Philly matches, they’re probably signing up for the full three years.

Also includes a no trade clause for first year. Ainge is a genius.

[BitterJim]

So Saric finally joins the Warriors.

That does not disappoint me all that much.  Saric may bounce back, he is still young enough, but he has not really done much of anything for several injury riddled seasons.

I think a trade for a bench PF/C (with the TPE and picks) is the more likely avenue to fill this role at this point, although I would not be against bringing in Wood on a min contract.  He will probably end up in MIA or LAL though.  So be it.

We aren’t using the TPE and picks to get someone this year.  Not happening.  If a trade nets us another bench player, it will be because we traded Brogdon for two players.  We’re not going above the second apron.

We don’t need to use the full TPE. We could get someone for around $5 million then cut either Champagnie or Kornet. The net would be only adding about $3 million.  Not suggesting, we just add $6 million to the cap.

It is not likely. But this is something that can be worked out.

But that’s what the MLE is for, not the TPE.

If we use some or all of the MLE, we hard cap ourselves.  If we use the TPE, we are not hard capped.  Both are options.  I see a few options we could go after with the TPE that seem to me more likely than getting a useful bench PF at this point the the MLE:

Isaiah Stewart      $5.3M
Jalen Smith          $5.0M
Jaden McDaniels    $3.9M
Precious Achiuwa  $4.4M
Jon. Kuminga       $6.0M

Again, my idea is to trade for them using picks and the TPE, but also waive Champagnie or Kornet to stay at 14 roster spots and reduce the net impact to the cap.  To me, this is a perfectly viable option.  They probably won't do anything with it but to me, swapping Champagnie in particular for an actual useful PF, for the cost of some picks, would be a really good value transaction.

If I was Brad, I would see if Detroit would trade Stewart for Pritchard+a 2024 first. Then just look to add a 3rd string PG to replace him (and keep under the 2nd apron). Stewart would be a great fit here.

[Celtics2021]

Paul Reed signs a 3 year, $23 million offer sheet with Utah.  Years 2 and 3 guarantee if his team makes the conference semifinals this year.  So it likely won’t guarantee with Utah, but if Philly matches, they’re probably signing up for the full three years.

Also includes a no trade clause for first year. Ainge is a genius.

The no trade aspect is true for any RFA offer sheet that’s matched.  If we matched for Grant, it would have been the same thing.

[Who]

Paul Reed signs a 3 year, $23 million offer sheet with Utah.  Years 2 and 3 guarantee if his team makes the conference semifinals this year.  So it likely won’t guarantee with Utah, but if Philly matches, they’re probably signing up for the full three years.

Also includes a no trade clause for first year. Ainge is a genius.

The no trade aspect is true for any RFA offer sheet that’s matched.  If we matched for Grant, it would have been the same thing.

Smart. I wouldn't match that if I were Philly. They already have two backup centers in Mo Bamba and Montrez Harrell. So why overpay for a 3rd bench center?

[Roy H.]

Can we end the narrative that vet free agents won't sign with cold weather teams (Chicago, Philly, Milwaukee ) or teams with high tax rates (GSW, LAL) or teams that go seven deep (all of the above)?

I think we end up with dumpster dives because that's Brad's approach.  When he does pursue free agents with a market for services, we usually lose out.  Maybe his pitch is bad, or guys don't trust inexperienced coaches.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Can we end the narrative that vet free agents won't sign with cold weather teams (Chicago, Philly, Milwaukee ) or teams with high tax rates (GSW, LAL) or teams that go seven deep (all of the above)?

I think we end up with dumpster dives because that's Brad's approach.  When he does pursue free agents with a market for services, we usually lose out.  Maybe his pitch is bad, or guys don't trust inexperienced coaches.

Stevens has improved the roster every year. Last few years we were one of the deepest in the league. Let's give him until the end of the off-season before we make any assumptions.

[Celtics2021]

Can we end the narrative that vet free agents won't sign with cold weather teams (Chicago, Philly, Milwaukee ) or teams with high tax rates (GSW, LAL) or teams that go seven deep (all of the above)?

I think we end up with dumpster dives because that's Brad's approach.  When he does pursue free agents with a market for services, we usually lose out.  Maybe his pitch is bad, or guys don't trust inexperienced coaches.

Can we end the narrative that Dario Saric and Mo Bamba aren’t dumpster dives? 

[footey]

Paul Reed signs a 3 year, $23 million offer sheet with Utah.  Years 2 and 3 guarantee if his team makes the conference semifinals this year.  So it likely won’t guarantee with Utah, but if Philly matches, they’re probably signing up for the full three years.

Also includes a no trade clause for first year. Ainge is a genius.

The no trade aspect is true for any RFA offer sheet that’s matched.  If we matched for Grant, it would have been the same thing.

Are you sure? I thought the matching team had to wait a year before they could trade to the team that made the offer, but were free to trade to anyone else after January 15.  That was the rule previously. I was not aware that the new CBA changed this rule.