Shams: Porzingis to Boston?

[gouki88]

Can someone clarify for me — NBA.com article is confusing - indicates both Celtics AND Wiz receiving 25th pick from Griz’.   Are Cs picking 25 tonight?

Smart, Gallo, Muscala for KP, 25, and GS ‘24 1st looks great to me.

Yes, Boston gets #25 and the Wizards have #35.

Thanks - TP.   Amazing return for Smart.

It's a really solid return. Smart isn't too much more durable than KP, and is a worse player. To get 2 first round picks on top of that is a very good return!

[Neurotic Guy]

Can someone clarify for me — NBA.com article is confusing - indicates both Celtics AND Wiz receiving 25th pick from Griz’.   Are Cs picking 25 tonight?

Smart, Gallo, Muscala for KP, 25, and GS ‘24 1st looks great to me.

Yes, Boston gets #25 and the Wizards have #35.

Thanks - TP.   Amazing return for Smart.

It's a really solid return. Smart isn't too much more durable than KP, and is a worse player. To get 2 first round picks on top of that is a very good return!

Fragile team right now with MB, KP, Rob… but the sheer talent is pretty impressive.   Feels like Brad may not be done.  With Brogdon all but gone for most of last night, will be interesting to see if he ends up getting moved.

[radiohead]

Can someone clarify for me — NBA.com article is confusing - indicates both Celtics AND Wiz receiving 25th pick from Griz’.   Are Cs picking 25 tonight?

Smart, Gallo, Muscala for KP, 25, and GS ‘24 1st looks great to me.

Yes, Boston gets #25 and the Wizards have #35.

Thanks - TP.   Amazing return for Smart.

It's a really solid return. Smart isn't too much more durable than KP, and is a worse player. To get 2 first round picks on top of that is a very good return!

That Warriors 2024 pick (top 4 protected) could be very valuable depending on how they fare next season. 

[JSD]

Can someone clarify for me — NBA.com article is confusing - indicates both Celtics AND Wiz receiving 25th pick from Griz’.   Are Cs picking 25 tonight?

Smart, Gallo, Muscala for KP, 25, and GS ‘24 1st looks great to me.

Yes, Boston gets #25 and the Wizards have #35.

Thanks - TP.   Amazing return for Smart.

It's a really solid return. Smart isn't too much more durable than KP, and is a worse player. To get 2 first round picks on top of that is a very good return!

That Warriors 2024 pick (top 4 protected) could be very valuable depending on how they fare next season.

This is like late late John Madden type analysis 😜

[gouki88]

Can someone clarify for me — NBA.com article is confusing - indicates both Celtics AND Wiz receiving 25th pick from Griz’.   Are Cs picking 25 tonight?

Smart, Gallo, Muscala for KP, 25, and GS ‘24 1st looks great to me.

Yes, Boston gets #25 and the Wizards have #35.

Thanks - TP.   Amazing return for Smart.

It's a really solid return. Smart isn't too much more durable than KP, and is a worse player. To get 2 first round picks on top of that is a very good return!

That Warriors 2024 pick (top 4 protected) could be very valuable depending on how they fare next season.

I think it will probably be late teens. I see them having some difficulties. If Green leaves and/or Curry gets hurt, it's a lotto pick I reckon

[byennie]

Always risk in these moves, but that just seems like a really solid return. Derrick White is a better overall player than Marcus Smart. Comparable defender, much better decision maker, seemingly better team player. Marcus has a lot of heart but the effect is not always only good.

White/Brown/Tatum/Zinger/Williams is a noticeably better core than we had a day ago.

GWill + Smart + Gallinari were set to be pretty expensive role players. Pritchard and Hauser are still cheap, as will be our 2 new 1st round picks that we acquired. Good roster moves.

We'll see what happens with Brogdon. We should have enough offensive firepower to wait on his health with Zinger being a better overall scorer, Pritchard getting his shot, and potentially something at #24.

[JSD]

How bad is Brogdons injury that the Clippers passed on him?

Concerning…

[tenn_smoothie]

Reminds me of when the team traded Perk.

Ya we got a better player, but we're losing the back bone of the team.

I find it best to have a stable, reliable backbone. Smart was far from that.

Also, we hear all of this talk about Smart being the "heart and soul" of the team.  Yet the team constantly had its "heart and soul" questioned. 

Just saying...

I don't know if the questioning of the team's heart & soul was ever very warranted. They often displayed fight and came back from deficits. I think the more questionable aspect of the team was reliability, or stability. And I think Smart embodied all the shortcomings in those areas.

He could look like the reincarnation of Jason Kidd, or Michael Carter-Williams. And you never knew which one he'd be.

Yeah, I generally agree with you.  Questioning their heart against adversity was probably never fair.  They came back in numerous playoff series against quality opponents multiple times just in the last two years alone; that doesn't happen without "heart".  But I do think we had a bad habit of just taking games off, even in the playoffs (inexplicably), where we visibly gave substandard effort and focus.  If that "heart" is replaced with one that takes every game seriously, then I'll consider that an upgrade.  Don't need to climb out of deep holes we don't dig in the first place.

I would call it a lack of mental discipline to play the right way game after game, possession after possession.
I sometimes question Tatum's appetite for tough competition. It is not the reason he plays the way it was for Garnett, Bird, Cowens, Russell.

[Muzzy66]

Lots of people overvaluing smart. He was a 6th man who thought he was a starting PG. He was a below average passer and a volume shooter.

Defense was his calling card and he was not nearly as good at it this past season. Will he be missed? I guess. But Brad had the balls to make a big move and got a ton for him.

Over the past four seasons Smart has had playoff averages of 15.2 points, 5.3 assists, 4.5 rebounds and he's shot a 'passable' 42% / 35% / 81% from the field. 

n the playoffs this he put up numbers in line with that but actually put up some of the best shooting numbers ive seen from him at 45% FG /36% 3PT /80% FT.   His turnover average during this year's playoffs was also his lowest since he's been starting (which has basically been four years now). My biggest issue with Smart was always the bad shot selection and bad turnovers - I really didn't have much to copplain about in either regard during this recent playoff run. 

Frankly, he's also been probably our 3rd most reliable clutch scorer over the past couple of years after Brown and Tatum - for all his issues he does have an uncanny tendancy to make big shots in big moments.

That being said, he does have a long career history of being very inconsistent from one game to the next, and a tendency of going into hero mode at the very worst moments, so moving him on will hopefully bring a little more consistency and stability to the team. 

If nothing else it kinda does send a message to the team that pretty much nobody is untouchable, so hopefully that helps to motivate players to play the right way.

[SparzWizard]

How bad is Brogdons injury that the Clippers passed on him?

Concerning…

Probably more of a Clipper overreaction than anything. Partially torn tendon wouldn't sideline him the whole year otherwise that's like an ACL injury. Some say he could be out till late December or January.

But he's had an injury history so no surprise

[cman88]

i'm absolutely shocked. on one hand Smart was our defensive identity and "heart/soul" of the team. and I wonder how we are going to replace his defense. For a team that wants more defensive identity we are going more offensive.

on the other hand if Brogdon/white are healthy Smart is probably the lesser of the 3 talent wise. And sometimes has an overinflated view of his talents as part of the "big 3" of him Tatum/Brown

Not sure who would start Brogdon or White. But Brogdon was a 20ppg scorer starting with Indiana.

Brogdon/brown/tatum/Porzingus/Rob  is some offensive firepower.


Guess Brad has learned from Danny...

[CelticSooner]

Listening to Bill Simmons podcast they are talking like this a one year rental? That doesn’t make me feel any better considering Smart was on a better contract with years left. If this was simply a dart board cost cutting trade I officially don’t like it. This flops next year then Brown is on the chopping block. This is a bigger risk than a lot of people are thinking about.

[Muzzy66]

Brads got some balls for sure, fireworks for three off seasons in a row 

I think the trade results in a net gain for us. KP is (was) an All Star after all. He should flourish as the third option on our team and help open things up for the Jays. Whether it’s Malcolm or Derrick thst starts, Joe will be able to play a five out offense with everyone a spacer and everyone a perimeter threat. KP is also a solid rim protector.

I will miss Smartacus though, warts and all. He drove my head crazy at times with his high risk plays that only came off 20% of the time but when they did my heart wanted him to retire a Celtic.

I agree.  I think of Porzingis as kinda being to us now what Gordon Hayward was supposed to be back in the day - that stable, solid, reliable third scoring option who can take a lot of offensive pressure off Tatum and Brown.  I feel like in the playoffs the past two seasons we were WAY too dependent on Tatum to and Brown to carry the entire offence.  As we got deeper in the playoffs teams seemed to take on the strategy of just throwing all their defence at Tatum and trying to force Brown to step up - some nights he did, but on the nights where he couldnt make the defence pay we didnt really have anybody else to consistently turn to. 

Brogdon (when healthy) helped a lot with that because he was consistent enough offensively that defences couldn't really ignore him - so in the games where Brogdon was either playing injured or not playing at all I think the team really felt the impact, because nobody realy knew who was going to step up next.   Porzingis is an even bigger threat offensively then Brogdon, and I think his presence will make it much harder for teams to throw their attention at Tatum and Brown.  I expect they will both get a lot more open looks as a result, as opposed to now where they are almost always forced to force tough shots.

More importantly, when Brogdon was out, any time one of Tatum/Brown would go to the bench it was very easy for the defence to just smother whichever Jay was on the court, and they could essentially shut down Boston's entire offense.  Having the 4 headed monster of Tatum/Brown/Porzingis/Brogdon means you can pretty much guarantee that you'll always have two consistent scoring threats on the court. 

I think (health permitting) this move could potentially prove to be more valuable than the sum of its parts. 

[cman88]

Listening to Bill Simmons podcast they are talking like this a one year rental? That doesn’t make me feel any better considering Smart was on a better contract with years left. If this was simply a dart board cost cutting trade I officially don’t like it. This flops next year then Brown is on the chopping block. This is a bigger risk than a lot of people are thinking about.

mark stein said they are talking about Extending Porzingis. this isn't a one year cost cutting move...

[radiohead]

Listening to Bill Simmons podcast they are talking like this a one year rental? That doesn’t make me feel any better considering Smart was on a better contract with years left. If this was simply a dart board cost cutting trade I officially don’t like it. This flops next year then Brown is on the chopping block. This is a bigger risk than a lot of people are thinking about.

mark stein said they are talking about Extending Porzingis. this isn't a one year cost cutting move...

I would think there already is a handshake deal in place for an extension. Brad wouldn’t risk doing this trade if it wasn’t the case. It would be interesting to see if JB will get the supermax. In Mike Zarren we trust.