How much upside does Joe have?

[Roy H.]

And another blown 4th quarter lead with no timeouts or adjustments from incompetent Joe. How anyone has any trust in this  guys whatsoever is beyond me. He literally sat there in the fourth quarter and watched us give up a 15-4 extended run with 4 TOs without making any adjustments or calling any timeouts to set up a good shot until 9 seconds left in the game and already critically behind.

So ridiculous. SO many of us were told that "this is just an early season tactic to build trust in his guys" and it wouldn't happen in the postseason. So much for that. 

Smart cost the C’s the game, not Joe. Just horrible in crucial moments in the 4th.

Joe, Smart, and Tatum all had primary shares in this loss. But this thread is about Joe, so he gets the focus.

You can't seriously sit there and tell me you're fine with how he ended the game sitting on his hands letting our lead evaporate. That's non-sensical, terrible coaching.

So what adjustments should he have made? Timeouts don’t stop runs, the players stop the runs by playing defense. Rotation was the same as last game, minus Blake playing over Grant.  Team didn’t play well down the stretch and a lot of that was Smart. Needed one stop at the end, couldn’t do it.

Well, you cited Smart.  Why is he in the game down the stretch over Brogdon and/or White?

Marcus is the starting point guard and last years DPY. He’s going to be in there at the end of the game. Smart had a bad game. It happens.

So, Joe can't sit one of his guys based on reputation, despite better players on the team?

Sounds like weakness.

Smart lost this game for the C’s tonight, but he’s won plenty of other games for Boston with clutch plays. The coach has to trust that his players will perform and make the right plays more often than not in a 7 game series. Can’t be changing things up game to game. That’s how you lose a locker room.

Well, I guess if you exclude rotations / substitutions, timeouts, plays after timeouts, and keeping the team motivated are excluded, Joe's amazing.

[tenn_smoothie]

It’s not too late to call Nick Nurse

I'd love to see him hired after the playoffs. I'd call him right now and tell him he has the job.

That is the bigger problem. Brad will stand by Joe for way too long, just wait. 3 seasons minimum.

[tenn_smoothie]

This entire franchise needs a strong hand running things.
An experienced pro guy who demands results and makes the right decisions about coaches and players.

We have Hollywood Wyc and soft Brad and incompetent Joe and a talented roster that is just plain dumb and will never grow up.

All of these factors should remind us what a genius Red Auerbach was.

[Who]

It’s not too late to call Nick Nurse

I'd love to see him hired after the playoffs. I'd call him right now and tell him he has the job.

That is the bigger problem. Brad will stand by Joe for way too long, just wait. 3 seasons minimum.

Yeah, that is my worry too. Brad will gave Joe more time to improve and prove himself at this level instead of being ruthless and getting a top quality proven coach who is already available.

Reminds me of Joe Dumars on those 2004 title winning Pistons. Rick Carlisle had done a great job leading them to a 50 win season and the ECF. Carlisle was one of the brightest young coaches in the league. But then Larry Brown becomes available ... Dumars fired Carlisle and got one of the top coaches in the league for the last 20+yrs and together they delivered a title to DET.

Be ruthless.

[Goldstar88]

And another blown 4th quarter lead with no timeouts or adjustments from incompetent Joe. How anyone has any trust in this  guys whatsoever is beyond me. He literally sat there in the fourth quarter and watched us give up a 15-4 extended run with 4 TOs without making any adjustments or calling any timeouts to set up a good shot until 9 seconds left in the game and already critically behind.

So ridiculous. SO many of us were told that "this is just an early season tactic to build trust in his guys" and it wouldn't happen in the postseason. So much for that. 

Smart cost the C’s the game, not Joe. Just horrible in crucial moments in the 4th.

Joe, Smart, and Tatum all had primary shares in this loss. But this thread is about Joe, so he gets the focus.

You can't seriously sit there and tell me you're fine with how he ended the game sitting on his hands letting our lead evaporate. That's non-sensical, terrible coaching.

So what adjustments should he have made? Timeouts don’t stop runs, the players stop the runs by playing defense. Rotation was the same as last game, minus Blake playing over Grant.  Team didn’t play well down the stretch and a lot of that was Smart. Needed one stop at the end, couldn’t do it.

Well, you cited Smart.  Why is he in the game down the stretch over Brogdon and/or White?

Marcus is the starting point guard and last years DPY. He’s going to be in there at the end of the game. Smart had a bad game. It happens.

So, Joe can't sit one of his guys based on reputation, despite better players on the team?

Sounds like weakness.

Smart lost this game for the C’s tonight, but he’s won plenty of other games for Boston with clutch plays. The coach has to trust that his players will perform and make the right plays more often than not in a 7 game series. Can’t be changing things up game to game. That’s how you lose a locker room.

Well, I guess if you exclude rotations / substitutions, timeouts, plays after timeouts, and keeping the team motivated are excluded, Joe's amazing.

57 wins, man. Believe that’s a better record than Ime had last year as HC. It was a frustrating loss, but I still think the C’s are going back to the Finals.

[Roy H.]

And another blown 4th quarter lead with no timeouts or adjustments from incompetent Joe. How anyone has any trust in this  guys whatsoever is beyond me. He literally sat there in the fourth quarter and watched us give up a 15-4 extended run with 4 TOs without making any adjustments or calling any timeouts to set up a good shot until 9 seconds left in the game and already critically behind.

So ridiculous. SO many of us were told that "this is just an early season tactic to build trust in his guys" and it wouldn't happen in the postseason. So much for that. 

Smart cost the C’s the game, not Joe. Just horrible in crucial moments in the 4th.

Joe, Smart, and Tatum all had primary shares in this loss. But this thread is about Joe, so he gets the focus.

You can't seriously sit there and tell me you're fine with how he ended the game sitting on his hands letting our lead evaporate. That's non-sensical, terrible coaching.

So what adjustments should he have made? Timeouts don’t stop runs, the players stop the runs by playing defense. Rotation was the same as last game, minus Blake playing over Grant.  Team didn’t play well down the stretch and a lot of that was Smart. Needed one stop at the end, couldn’t do it.

Well, you cited Smart.  Why is he in the game down the stretch over Brogdon and/or White?

Marcus is the starting point guard and last years DPY. He’s going to be in there at the end of the game. Smart had a bad game. It happens.

So, Joe can't sit one of his guys based on reputation, despite better players on the team?

Sounds like weakness.

Smart lost this game for the C’s tonight, but he’s won plenty of other games for Boston with clutch plays. The coach has to trust that his players will perform and make the right plays more often than not in a 7 game series. Can’t be changing things up game to game. That’s how you lose a locker room.

Well, I guess if you exclude rotations / substitutions, timeouts, plays after timeouts, and keeping the team motivated are excluded, Joe's amazing.

57 wins, man. Believe that’s a better record than Ime had last year as HC. It was a frustrating loss, but I still think the C’s are going back to the Finals.

Ime took over a .500 team and built it into a dominant team that reached the Finals.

Joe took over an NBA finalist that added the 6MOY and maintained roughly the status quo.  We'll see where they end up.

(FYI, didn't Luke Walton have a better winning percentage with the Warriors than Steve Kerr?  Wins only tell you so much.)

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1651039089658064896

Just horrific coaching. I want to throw up.

[jpotter33]

And another blown 4th quarter lead with no timeouts or adjustments from incompetent Joe. How anyone has any trust in this  guys whatsoever is beyond me. He literally sat there in the fourth quarter and watched us give up a 15-4 extended run with 4 TOs without making any adjustments or calling any timeouts to set up a good shot until 9 seconds left in the game and already critically behind.

So ridiculous. SO many of us were told that "this is just an early season tactic to build trust in his guys" and it wouldn't happen in the postseason. So much for that. 

Smart cost the C’s the game, not Joe. Just horrible in crucial moments in the 4th.

Joe, Smart, and Tatum all had primary shares in this loss. But this thread is about Joe, so he gets the focus.

You can't seriously sit there and tell me you're fine with how he ended the game sitting on his hands letting our lead evaporate. That's non-sensical, terrible coaching.

So what adjustments should he have made? Timeouts don’t stop runs, the players stop the runs by playing defense. Rotation was the same as last game, minus Blake playing over Grant.  Team didn’t play well down the stretch and a lot of that was Smart. Needed one stop at the end, couldn’t do it.

Well, you cited Smart.  Why is he in the game down the stretch over Brogdon and/or White?

Marcus is the starting point guard and last years DPY. He’s going to be in there at the end of the game. Smart had a bad game. It happens.

So, Joe can't sit one of his guys based on reputation, despite better players on the team?

Sounds like weakness.

Smart lost this game for the C’s tonight, but he’s won plenty of other games for Boston with clutch plays. The coach has to trust that his players will perform and make the right plays more often than not in a 7 game series. Can’t be changing things up game to game. That’s how you lose a locker room.

Well, I guess if you exclude rotations / substitutions, timeouts, plays after timeouts, and keeping the team motivated are excluded, Joe's amazing.

57 wins, man. Believe that’s a better record than Ime had last year as HC. It was a frustrating loss, but I still think the C’s are going back to the Finals.

Ime took over a .500 team and built it into a dominant team that reached the Finals.

Joe took over an NBA finalist that added the 6MOY and maintained roughly the status quo.  We'll see where they end up.

TP. It's annoying how people point to the record and ignore the context, as if Ime and Joe came into the exact same situation. In a lot of ways, Joe is riding the coattails of the team that Ime and Brad built. And you're seeing the impact of htis out on the floor with all of these poor habits and lack of discipline/accountability.

[Goldstar88]

And another blown 4th quarter lead with no timeouts or adjustments from incompetent Joe. How anyone has any trust in this  guys whatsoever is beyond me. He literally sat there in the fourth quarter and watched us give up a 15-4 extended run with 4 TOs without making any adjustments or calling any timeouts to set up a good shot until 9 seconds left in the game and already critically behind.

So ridiculous. SO many of us were told that "this is just an early season tactic to build trust in his guys" and it wouldn't happen in the postseason. So much for that. 

Smart cost the C’s the game, not Joe. Just horrible in crucial moments in the 4th.

Joe, Smart, and Tatum all had primary shares in this loss. But this thread is about Joe, so he gets the focus.

You can't seriously sit there and tell me you're fine with how he ended the game sitting on his hands letting our lead evaporate. That's non-sensical, terrible coaching.

So what adjustments should he have made? Timeouts don’t stop runs, the players stop the runs by playing defense. Rotation was the same as last game, minus Blake playing over Grant.  Team didn’t play well down the stretch and a lot of that was Smart. Needed one stop at the end, couldn’t do it.

Well, you cited Smart.  Why is he in the game down the stretch over Brogdon and/or White?

Marcus is the starting point guard and last years DPY. He’s going to be in there at the end of the game. Smart had a bad game. It happens.

So, Joe can't sit one of his guys based on reputation, despite better players on the team?

Sounds like weakness.

Smart lost this game for the C’s tonight, but he’s won plenty of other games for Boston with clutch plays. The coach has to trust that his players will perform and make the right plays more often than not in a 7 game series. Can’t be changing things up game to game. That’s how you lose a locker room.

Well, I guess if you exclude rotations / substitutions, timeouts, plays after timeouts, and keeping the team motivated are excluded, Joe's amazing.

57 wins, man. Believe that’s a better record than Ime had last year as HC. It was a frustrating loss, but I still think the C’s are going back to the Finals.

Ime took over a .500 team and built it into a dominant team that reached the Finals.

Joe took over an NBA finalist that added the 6MOY and maintained roughly the status quo.  We'll see where they end up.

Udoka took over a team that was regularly going to the ECF. Players tuned Brad out that last year and they needed a new voice. The talent was already there, though. Top 5 offense, top 5 defense this year under Joe.

[angryguy77]

And another blown 4th quarter lead with no timeouts or adjustments from incompetent Joe. How anyone has any trust in this  guys whatsoever is beyond me. He literally sat there in the fourth quarter and watched us give up a 15-4 extended run with 4 TOs without making any adjustments or calling any timeouts to set up a good shot until 9 seconds left in the game and already critically behind.

So ridiculous. SO many of us were told that "this is just an early season tactic to build trust in his guys" and it wouldn't happen in the postseason. So much for that. 

Smart cost the C’s the game, not Joe. Just horrible in crucial moments in the 4th.

Joe, Smart, and Tatum all had primary shares in this loss. But this thread is about Joe, so he gets the focus.

You can't seriously sit there and tell me you're fine with how he ended the game sitting on his hands letting our lead evaporate. That's non-sensical, terrible coaching.

So what adjustments should he have made? Timeouts don’t stop runs, the players stop the runs by playing defense. Rotation was the same as last game, minus Blake playing over Grant.  Team didn’t play well down the stretch and a lot of that was Smart. Needed one stop at the end, couldn’t do it.

Well, you cited Smart.  Why is he in the game down the stretch over Brogdon and/or White?

Marcus is the starting point guard and last years DPY. He’s going to be in there at the end of the game. Smart had a bad game. It happens.

So, Joe can't sit one of his guys based on reputation, despite better players on the team?

Sounds like weakness.

Smart lost this game for the C’s tonight, but he’s won plenty of other games for Boston with clutch plays. The coach has to trust that his players will perform and make the right plays more often than not in a 7 game series. Can’t be changing things up game to game. That’s how you lose a locker room.

Well, I guess if you exclude rotations / substitutions, timeouts, plays after timeouts, and keeping the team motivated are excluded, Joe's amazing.

57 wins, man. Believe that’s a better record than Ime had last year as HC. It was a frustrating loss, but I still think the C’s are going back to the Finals.

Reg season wins mean only so much. Bucks had more wins, yet are ready to get bounced by an 8th seed. 

[angryguy77]

And another blown 4th quarter lead with no timeouts or adjustments from incompetent Joe. How anyone has any trust in this  guys whatsoever is beyond me. He literally sat there in the fourth quarter and watched us give up a 15-4 extended run with 4 TOs without making any adjustments or calling any timeouts to set up a good shot until 9 seconds left in the game and already critically behind.

So ridiculous. SO many of us were told that "this is just an early season tactic to build trust in his guys" and it wouldn't happen in the postseason. So much for that. 

Smart cost the C’s the game, not Joe. Just horrible in crucial moments in the 4th.

Joe, Smart, and Tatum all had primary shares in this loss. But this thread is about Joe, so he gets the focus.

You can't seriously sit there and tell me you're fine with how he ended the game sitting on his hands letting our lead evaporate. That's non-sensical, terrible coaching.

So what adjustments should he have made? Timeouts don’t stop runs, the players stop the runs by playing defense. Rotation was the same as last game, minus Blake playing over Grant.  Team didn’t play well down the stretch and a lot of that was Smart. Needed one stop at the end, couldn’t do it.

Well, you cited Smart.  Why is he in the game down the stretch over Brogdon and/or White?

Marcus is the starting point guard and last years DPY. He’s going to be in there at the end of the game. Smart had a bad game. It happens.

So, Joe can't sit one of his guys based on reputation, despite better players on the team?

Sounds like weakness.

Smart lost this game for the C’s tonight, but he’s won plenty of other games for Boston with clutch plays. The coach has to trust that his players will perform and make the right plays more often than not in a 7 game series. Can’t be changing things up game to game. That’s how you lose a locker room.

Well, I guess if you exclude rotations / substitutions, timeouts, plays after timeouts, and keeping the team motivated are excluded, Joe's amazing.

57 wins, man. Believe that’s a better record than Ime had last year as HC. It was a frustrating loss, but I still think the C’s are going back to the Finals.

Ime took over a .500 team and built it into a dominant team that reached the Finals.

Joe took over an NBA finalist that added the 6MOY and maintained roughly the status quo.  We'll see where they end up.

Udoka took over a team that was regularly going to the ECF. Players tuned Brad out that last year and they needed a new voice. The talent was already there, though.

and they have more talent this year, yet consistently losing games they would not under ime

[celts55]

He seems like a nice guy, but I think he’s not a very good coach.
Just the fact that Broderick sat while Smart was a huge part of blowing the game should tell you that.

[Roy H.]

Bobby Manning @RealBobManning

Asked Trae Young if he’s seeing the #Celtics do anything defensively that he’s exploiting. He said he has, but he doesn’t want it getting back to Boston.

One thing is for sure:  Joe won't recognize it.

[Kernewek]

https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1651039089658064896

Just horrific coaching. I want to throw up.

Even a broken clock, I suppose. But in general, if Simmons is going to zig on basketball, you'd be wise to zag.

[jpotter33]

So - for all those who claim the coach doesn't have that much impact in the NBA or that timeouts don't really matter, are you still saying that after watching Bud play a major part in crapping away that series by sitting on his hands at the end of regulation and OT?