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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #120 on: April 27, 2023, 01:29:57 AM »

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So - for all those who claim the coach doesn't have that much impact in the NBA or that timeouts don't really matter, are you still saying that after watching Bud play a major part in crapping away that series by sitting on his hands at the end of regulation and OT?

"Nah. Coaches don't matter. What matters is the players know they can inbound the ball at full-court and nail a 97-foot 3-pointer with 0.5 left to tie the game!"

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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #121 on: April 27, 2023, 01:39:05 AM »

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So - for all those who claim the coach doesn't have that much impact in the NBA or that timeouts don't really matter, are you still saying that after watching Bud play a major part in crapping away that series by sitting on his hands at the end of regulation and OT?

"Nah. Coaches don't matter. What matters is the players know they can inbound the ball at full-court and nail a 97-foot 3-pointer with 0.5 left to tie the game!"

 8)

The hilarious thing is that wasn't it Kris Middleton who literally tied the game against us in the playoffs on a deep three heave with .5 seconds left around 2017 or something? So there's literal precedent for their team to do the exact thing a timeout could've helped them complete haha
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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #122 on: April 27, 2023, 01:42:21 AM »

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So - for all those who claim the coach doesn't have that much impact in the NBA or that timeouts don't really matter, are you still saying that after watching Bud play a major part in crapping away that series by sitting on his hands at the end of regulation and OT?

"Nah. Coaches don't matter. What matters is the players know they can inbound the ball at full-court and nail a 97-foot 3-pointer with 0.5 left to tie the game!"

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The hilarious thing is that wasn't it Kris Middleton who literally tied the game against us in the playoffs on a deep three heave with .5 seconds left around 2017 or something? So there's literal precedent for their team to do the exact thing a timeout could've helped them complete haha

That was like a 30-foot 3-pointer and Middleton was younger and a solid shooter so it's nothing to him! Besides, they lost that game hahaha


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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #123 on: April 27, 2023, 03:56:46 AM »

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So - for all those who claim the coach doesn't have that much impact in the NBA or that timeouts don't really matter, are you still saying that after watching Bud play a major part in crapping away that series by sitting on his hands at the end of regulation and OT?

"Nah. Coaches don't matter. What matters is the players know they can inbound the ball at full-court and nail a 97-foot 3-pointer with 0.5 left to tie the game!"

 8)
Truly the mark of a top-tier coach. Look at Nick Nurse's amazing career after he willed Kawhii's jumper into the hoop while it was bouncing.
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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #124 on: April 27, 2023, 10:26:53 AM »

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So - for all those who claim the coach doesn't have that much impact in the NBA or that timeouts don't really matter, are you still saying that after watching Bud play a major part in crapping away that series by sitting on his hands at the end of regulation and OT?

He definitely screwed up there, but he also does have a championship ring, no? The players make mistakes, coaches do as well.
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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #125 on: April 27, 2023, 11:12:26 AM »

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So - for all those who claim the coach doesn't have that much impact in the NBA or that timeouts don't really matter, are you still saying that after watching Bud play a major part in crapping away that series by sitting on his hands at the end of regulation and OT?

He definitely screwed up there, but he also does have a championship ring, no? The players make mistakes, coaches do as well.

If the coach makes the same mistakes over and over again, it's a problem, even if the players are good enough to occasionally overcome those mistakes.

By far the most important role of a coach is to put the players in the best situation to succeed.


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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #126 on: April 27, 2023, 12:23:19 PM »

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So - for all those who claim the coach doesn't have that much impact in the NBA or that timeouts don't really matter, are you still saying that after watching Bud play a major part in crapping away that series by sitting on his hands at the end of regulation and OT?

He definitely screwed up there, but he also does have a championship ring, no? The players make mistakes, coaches do as well.

If the coach makes the same mistakes over and over again, it's a problem, even if the players are good enough to occasionally overcome those mistakes.

By far the most important role of a coach is to put the players in the best situation to succeed.

And that includes putting the correct players on the court.
Having Smart over White made no sense.
Not playing Broderick the last 8 minutes made no sense.
Double bigs, so Atlanta could keep getting Young on  Horford made no sense.
While I an not Grant’s biggest fan, he played well game 3, not seeing
him again made no sense.
I can almost understand him trying Blake for a bit to get an energy jolt, but 6 minutes in the fourth quarter made no sense.
Not trying to get the ball out of Trey’s hands the last play made no sense.
Having Smart on the court when they needed a basket with 2 seconds to go, while Broderick was on the bench made no sense.
Letting the team continue to fire up quick and contested 3’s when they could score at will in the paint made no sense.
I could go on. As I have said before, seems like a nice guy, but in way over his head.

Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #127 on: May 01, 2023, 10:04:39 PM »

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Insisted on the drop coverage most of the night, despite how awful it was hemorrhaging points for us.

Played Al 50% more minutes than Timelord even though he was just atrocious all night and was a -17 to lead the team.

Continues to reinforce the awful lazy switches of bigs onto iso guards, i.e. the game-winning shot by Philly.

Awful play-calling down the stretch, particularly the last ATO where you put it in your fifth best player's hands instead of Tatum who was terrific all night. And this was after a great ATO that got the ball directly to Tatum who got to the line to knock down two.

Yet another example of being futile at having his guys ready to play a playoff game against an inferior opponent without their MVP, particularly defensively.

He's just not an NBA-level coach right now, certainly not a title-winning coach.
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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #128 on: May 01, 2023, 10:06:01 PM »

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At this stage, we're in a coaching mismatch certainly vs every team left in the East.

Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #129 on: May 01, 2023, 10:08:38 PM »

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Insisted on the drop coverage most of the night, despite how awful it was hemorrhaging points for us.

Played Al 50% more minutes than Timelord even though he was just atrocious all night and was a -17 to lead the team.

Continues to reinforce the awful lazy switches of bigs onto iso guards, i.e. the game-winning shot by Philly.

Awful play-calling down the stretch, particularly the last ATO where you put it in your fifth best player's hands instead of Tatum who was terrific all night. And this was after a great ATO that got the ball directly to Tatum who got to the line to knock down two.

Yet another example of being futile at having his guys ready to play a playoff game against an inferior opponent without their MVP, particularly defensively.

He's just not an NBA-level coach right now, certainly not a title-winning coach.
Agree wholeheartedly. Imagine if we had Spoelstra…

Maybe we should get Nick Nurse
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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #130 on: May 01, 2023, 10:16:45 PM »

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Insisted on the drop coverage most of the night, despite how awful it was hemorrhaging points for us.

Played Al 50% more minutes than Timelord even though he was just atrocious all night and was a -17 to lead the team.

Continues to reinforce the awful lazy switches of bigs onto iso guards, i.e. the game-winning shot by Philly.

Awful play-calling down the stretch, particularly the last ATO where you put it in your fifth best player's hands instead of Tatum who was terrific all night. And this was after a great ATO that got the ball directly to Tatum who got to the line to knock down two.

Yet another example of being futile at having his guys ready to play a playoff game against an inferior opponent without their MVP, particularly defensively.

He's just not an NBA-level coach right now, certainly not a title-winning coach.
Agree wholeheartedly. Imagine if we had Spoelstra…

Maybe we should get Nick Nurse
If they crash out of the playoffs, Wyc may order his GM to go get someone like that.

Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #131 on: May 01, 2023, 10:18:46 PM »

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Insisted on the drop coverage most of the night, despite how awful it was hemorrhaging points for us.

Played Al 50% more minutes than Timelord even though he was just atrocious all night and was a -17 to lead the team.

Continues to reinforce the awful lazy switches of bigs onto iso guards, i.e. the game-winning shot by Philly.

Awful play-calling down the stretch, particularly the last ATO where you put it in your fifth best player's hands instead of Tatum who was terrific all night. And this was after a great ATO that got the ball directly to Tatum who got to the line to knock down two.

Yet another example of being futile at having his guys ready to play a playoff game against an inferior opponent without their MVP, particularly defensively.

He's just not an NBA-level coach right now, certainly not a title-winning coach.

Agreed on all counts. 

He's been failing to get the most out of our team's talent for most of the season.  In the playoffs, that has been particularly true on the defensive side of the ball.  There's no reason that a team with our size, athleticism, and defensive versatility should be struggling this much.

Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #132 on: May 01, 2023, 10:19:07 PM »

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Last season the C’s did lose the first game of the second round as well. Not going to worry just yet.
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Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #133 on: May 01, 2023, 10:21:42 PM »

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The C’s did lose the first game of the second round last season as well. Not going to worry just yet.
What worries me is it's kind of assumed they'll win Game 2 with Embid likely not playing. You can't assume anything with this bunch. Biggest game of the season, so far, is Wednesday night. I give them about a 50% chance of winning.

Re: How much upside does Joe have?
« Reply #134 on: May 01, 2023, 10:21:48 PM »

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Insisted on the drop coverage most of the night, despite how awful it was hemorrhaging points for us.

Played Al 50% more minutes than Timelord even though he was just atrocious all night and was a -17 to lead the team.

Continues to reinforce the awful lazy switches of bigs onto iso guards, i.e. the game-winning shot by Philly.

Awful play-calling down the stretch, particularly the last ATO where you put it in your fifth best player's hands instead of Tatum who was terrific all night. And this was after a great ATO that got the ball directly to Tatum who got to the line to knock down two.

Yet another example of being futile at having his guys ready to play a playoff game against an inferior opponent without their MVP, particularly defensively.

He's just not an NBA-level coach right now, certainly not a title-winning coach.
Agree wholeheartedly. Imagine if we had Spoelstra…

Maybe we should get Nick Nurse
If they crash out of the playoffs, Wyc may order his GM to go get someone like that.
One would hope, but I have no faith in Wyc committing to spending the necessary money for a bigger talent
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