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[JSD]

Still no evidence of #3. I think it’s because most of the mean things people are saying can’t be justified. Instead, they attack “cancel culture”. Who is getting unjustly cancelled? I think it’s important to discuss situations rather than lazily throwing everything into “cancel culture”.

What about Colin Kaepernick? Is that a good example?

This is another good example.

The common denominator among all these cancellers: Extreme politics.

Moderation is the key to success. This country needs to reject extremism and needs to reject it now.

I find it ironic that so many conservatives complain about cancel culture and yet have no issues canceling Colin Kaepernick and Liz Cheney and Adam  Kinzinger

Kaepernick signed a multimillion dollar deal with Nike AFTER taking a knee and being out of the league because his low talent level didn't justify the distraction for NFL teams. Liz Cheney was ousted by her constituency whom she turned her back on. Kinzinger retired from congress as he likely would have met the same fate as Cheney. Both will go on to write books, become "best Sellers" as boxes of those books nobody will buy stack up somewhere in China, and both will probably end up with high paying jobs on one of your favorite news networks.

My point is you don't seem to know what cancel culture is or how it's implemented.

You really have no idea what you're talking about most of the time due to your warped world view, do you. Alternate facts and fake news and all.

Kaep was blackballed from the NFL for years based on what he said, not what he did and lost millions and millions because of it. That's the epitome of cancel culture.

Cheney lost her position of power because of her stance on Trump's false claims about the 2020 elections and insurrection. Again, a perfect example of being cancelled. Kinzinger was no different.

My point is cancel culture is used by all in society, yet only one political view denounces it while having no issue using it. Most here are intelligent to see these things. Obviously, you aren't most.

If you’re canceled you don’t get multi million dollar contracts from multinational corporations, you’re not getting book deals, you’re not on TV. Again because of your distorted and hyper biased view, you don’t understand cancel culture.

Try listing a real example of where it’s happening to “my side” and maybe I’ll concede the point. But the examples you listed simply don’t fit.

[JSD]

I for one stand with Kanye.

I don’t like collectivism or referring to people in groups, it’s an ugly part of society right now that really got ramped up in the 2012 presidential election and has been with us ever since. But in terms of the rhetoric I’ve heard in the last few years, the demonization of white people on the left, the cultural criticisms of black people on the right, this is mild in comparison. Why is criticizing Jewish people as a collective when it goes beyond the pale? None of this is okay. It certainly didn’t start with Kanye

[Roy H.]

I think a lot of conservatives see Gina Carano's firing from the Mandalorian as an example of somebody being cancelled.  How do people feel about these words?

Carano fell under heavy criticism after she posted that “Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children.”

The actor continued to say, “Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”

That's the tweet that directly led to her firing, although from what I understand she was generally pro-Trump, anti-vax, and mocked the idea of being required to list her personal pronouns.

[Amonkey]

In terms of "cancellation", how do people feel about still listening to Kanye's music?  Or buying his clothing?

Over time, I've come to the conclusion that when enjoying art, I just don't care that much.  Terrible people can make incredible masterpieces, and I tend not to pick and choose the works I appreciate based upon how good or bad somebody was.

I'll still watch reruns of the Cosby Show or Roseanne.  I still enjoy Mel Gibson movies.  Michael Jackson and Eminem made some great music.  Hell, I was reading last night that Jerry Lee Lewis ("Great Balls of Fire") married his 13 year old cousin when he was 22.  That disgusts me...  but I'll still sing along when the song comes on in Top Gun.

Can you separate art from the artist?  I think you can, at least usually.  I'm sure there are some extreme examples.  Very few people want to hang an Adolf Hitler painting in their house, and those who do are probably deranged.  But, that's because his evilness far outweighs any artistic merit.  What if he was a great painting master?  We still wouldn't want to own it, but would we appreciate it?  Would we discard it, or ponder how such a black-hearted lunatic could create amazing art?

I think a good example for me is the upcoming World Cup in Qatar. I am super excited about watching this amazing event. I already got the days off, started coordinating with friends about where to watch games and might even buy a new TV for it. With that said, I also recognize and would have no problem others talking about Qatar's human right abuse, LGTBQ mistreatment and FIFA corruption. If they mention during broadcast I wouldn't be offended. If a team protests for it, I am okay with it.

As a Brazilian living abroad, it's not every time that you are able to be proud of your country and show national pride like we do in the World Cup. But at the same time, I think it's okay enjoy the product but also not letting the offender off the hook.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I still haven’t seen evidence of wrongful cancellations of mainstream celebrities. I loved when conservatives cancelled Kathy Griffin (she was annoying).

Maybe because it’s not a thing, but another lie spouted by Tucker et al?

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I think a lot of conservatives see Gina Carano's firing from the Mandalorian as an example of somebody being cancelled.  How do people feel about these words?

Carano fell under heavy criticism after she posted that “Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children.”

The actor continued to say, “Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”

That's the tweet that directly led to her firing, although from what I understand she was generally pro-Trump, anti-vax, and mocked the idea of being required to list her personal pronouns.

I don’t know who this person is, but those are horrible things to say out loud. Why not just think terrible things? Who forced her to say harmful things? I think she had free will and is being held accountable. Also, I’ve never heard of her, so how can I know that her career is suffering because of only this?

[Roy H.]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-publishing-staffers-call-cancellation-215622093.html

That’s an example of the type of cancellation that I think (hope) that most reasonable people would want no part of. 

[Kernewek]

Still no evidence of #3. I think it’s because most of the mean things people are saying can’t be justified. Instead, they attack “cancel culture”. Who is getting unjustly cancelled? I think it’s important to discuss situations rather than lazily throwing everything into “cancel culture”.

What about Colin Kaepernick? Is that a good example?

This is another good example.

The common denominator among all these cancellers: Extreme politics.

Moderation is the key to success. This country needs to reject extremism and needs to reject it now.

I find it ironic that so many conservatives complain about cancel culture and yet have no issues canceling Colin Kaepernick and Liz Cheney and Adam  Kinzinger

Kaepernick signed a multimillion dollar deal with Nike AFTER taking a knee and being out of the league because his low talent level didn't justify the distraction for NFL teams. Liz Cheney was ousted by her constituency whom she turned her back on. Kinzinger retired from congress as he likely would have met the same fate as Cheney. Both will go on to write books, become "best Sellers" as boxes of those books nobody will buy stack up somewhere in China, and both will probably end up with high paying jobs on one of your favorite news networks.

My point is you don't seem to know what cancel culture is or how it's implemented.

You really have no idea what you're talking about most of the time due to your warped world view, do you. Alternate facts and fake news and all.

Kaep was blackballed from the NFL for years based on what he said, not what he did and lost millions and millions because of it. That's the epitome of cancel culture.

Cheney lost her position of power because of her stance on Trump's false claims about the 2020 elections and insurrection. Again, a perfect example of being cancelled. Kinzinger was no different.

My point is cancel culture is used by all in society, yet only one political view denounces it while having no issue using it. Most here are intelligent to see these things. Obviously, you aren't most.

If you’re canceled you don’t get multi million dollar contracts from multinational corporations, you’re not getting book deals, you’re not on TV. Again because of your distorted and hyper biased view, you don’t understand cancel culture.

Try listing a real example of where it’s happening to “my side” and maybe I’ll concede the point. But the examples you listed simply don’t fit.

This is somewhat accurate and I largely agree, but you can be ‘cancelled’ by one group only to be embraced by another - the Dixie Chicks were a good example of this.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-publishing-staffers-call-cancellation-215622093.html

That’s an example of the type of cancellation that I think (hope) that most reasonable people would want no part of.

I agree Roy. We now have one example where someone was wrongfully cancelled.

[gouki88]

I for one stand with Kanye.

I don’t like collectivism or referring to people in groups, it’s an ugly part of society right now that really got ramped up in the 2012 presidential election and has been with us ever since. But in terms of the rhetoric I’ve heard in the last few years, the demonization of white people on the left, the cultural criticisms of black people on the right, this is mild in comparison. Why is criticizing Jewish people as a collective when it goes beyond the pale? None of this is okay. It certainly didn’t start with Kanye

We already assumed that. We can also assume how you view Jewish people.

You literally just asked "why is racism bad"? I know it is difficult for you, but try and think for a moment. Why do you think threatening to go "defcon" on Jewish people might be deeply offensive? I'll give you a hint - Holocaust

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I for one stand with Kanye.

I don’t like collectivism or referring to people in groups, it’s an ugly part of society right now that really got ramped up in the 2012 presidential election and has been with us ever since. But in terms of the rhetoric I’ve heard in the last few years, the demonization of white people on the left, the cultural criticisms of black people on the right, this is mild in comparison. Why is criticizing Jewish people as a collective when it goes beyond the pale? None of this is okay. It certainly didn’t start with Kanye

We already assumed that. We can also assume how you view Jewish people.

You literally just asked "why is racism bad"? I know it is difficult for you, but try and think for a moment. Why do you think threatening to go "defcon" on Jewish people might be deeply offensive? I'll give you a hint - Holocaust

Some believe that racist views are legitimate political takes. They are then offended when people call them out. Those crying about cancel culture might be more sensitive than anyone, including the woke mob.

[gouki88]

I for one stand with Kanye.

I don’t like collectivism or referring to people in groups, it’s an ugly part of society right now that really got ramped up in the 2012 presidential election and has been with us ever since. But in terms of the rhetoric I’ve heard in the last few years, the demonization of white people on the left, the cultural criticisms of black people on the right, this is mild in comparison. Why is criticizing Jewish people as a collective when it goes beyond the pale? None of this is okay. It certainly didn’t start with Kanye

We already assumed that. We can also assume how you view Jewish people.

You literally just asked "why is racism bad"? I know it is difficult for you, but try and think for a moment. Why do you think threatening to go "defcon" on Jewish people might be deeply offensive? I'll give you a hint - Holocaust

Some believe that racist views are legitimate political takes. They are then offended when people call them out. Those crying about cancel culture might be more sensitive than anyone, including the woke mob.

Racists get more offended by being called a racist than incidents of racism.

[JSD]

I for one stand with Kanye.

I don’t like collectivism or referring to people in groups, it’s an ugly part of society right now that really got ramped up in the 2012 presidential election and has been with us ever since. But in terms of the rhetoric I’ve heard in the last few years, the demonization of white people on the left, the cultural criticisms of black people on the right, this is mild in comparison. Why is criticizing Jewish people as a collective when it goes beyond the pale? None of this is okay. It certainly didn’t start with Kanye

We already assumed that. We can also assume how you view Jewish people.

You literally just asked "why is racism bad"? I know it is difficult for you, but try and think for a moment. Why do you think threatening to go "defcon" on Jewish people might be deeply offensive? I'll give you a hint - Holocaust

Kanye said he was going to go “defcon” on Jewish people, of course, in full context, he meant he was going to critique the culture and behavior in a general manner. As you’ve demonstrated here, I know you don’t understand or care about context, but it actually does matter.

This type of collectivist rhetoric is reprehensible, but this is mainstream society today.

[Roy H.]

I for one stand with Kanye.

I don’t like collectivism or referring to people in groups, it’s an ugly part of society right now that really got ramped up in the 2012 presidential election and has been with us ever since. But in terms of the rhetoric I’ve heard in the last few years, the demonization of white people on the left, the cultural criticisms of black people on the right, this is mild in comparison. Why is criticizing Jewish people as a collective when it goes beyond the pale? None of this is okay. It certainly didn’t start with Kanye

We already assumed that. We can also assume how you view Jewish people.

You literally just asked "why is racism bad"? I know it is difficult for you, but try and think for a moment. Why do you think threatening to go "defcon" on Jewish people might be deeply offensive? I'll give you a hint - Holocaust

Kanye said he was going to go “defcon” on Jewish people, of course, in full context, he meant he was going to critique the culture and behavior in a general manner. As you’ve demonstrated here, I know you don’t understand or care about context, but it actually does matter.

This type of collectivist rhetoric is reprehensible, but this is mainstream society today.

Well, he said "death con", either because he's an idiot or because he meant something more threatening.

He also said "I can say anti-Semitic things, and Adidas can’t drop me. Now what?", and plenty more.

[JSD]

I for one stand with Kanye.

I don’t like collectivism or referring to people in groups, it’s an ugly part of society right now that really got ramped up in the 2012 presidential election and has been with us ever since. But in terms of the rhetoric I’ve heard in the last few years, the demonization of white people on the left, the cultural criticisms of black people on the right, this is mild in comparison. Why is criticizing Jewish people as a collective when it goes beyond the pale? None of this is okay. It certainly didn’t start with Kanye

We already assumed that. We can also assume how you view Jewish people.

You literally just asked "why is racism bad"? I know it is difficult for you, but try and think for a moment. Why do you think threatening to go "defcon" on Jewish people might be deeply offensive? I'll give you a hint - Holocaust

Kanye said he was going to go “defcon” on Jewish people, of course, in full context, he meant he was going to critique the culture and behavior in a general manner. As you’ve demonstrated here, I know you don’t understand or care about context, but it actually does matter.

This type of collectivist rhetoric is reprehensible, but this is mainstream society today.

Well, he said "death con", either because he's an idiot or because he meant something more threatening.

He also said "I can say anti-Semitic things, and Adidas can’t drop me. Now what?", and plenty more.

He came out and said he’s a terrible speller, and that he meant the word DEFCON. What evidence do we have that Kanye is violent?

He Also said it’s impossible for him to be anti-semitic, because he’s Jewish