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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #480 on: November 10, 2022, 12:24:18 PM »

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Lakers will tank. Just wait for the inevitable "Davis hurt something and is out long term" and then they'll find ways to just blame Westbrook while Lebron chases his own records and doesn't really care about the team success either
Why tank? They don't own their pick. Well, they do, but the Pellies can swap. Tanking solves nothing for them.

OMG I'm an idiot lol. Thanks, I completely forgot they don't have their own pick  :laugh:

They traded the farm for Davis.  Seemed like a good deal at the time.  The "tank strategy" for the Lakers is to finish with the exact same record as NOP.  If they are worse, they lose the pick anyway.   NOP is 6-5 right now.  Ingram and Zion have missed a few games.  If they can keep those two on the court, they are going to win games.

In hindsight is it a good deal? 

They won a title, so the answer is probably automatically yes.  But, Ingram + Lonzo + Hart + Dyson Daniels + 2023 swap rights + 2024 OR 2025 #1 is a heck of a package.  I think the Lakers also traded away the rights to DeAndre Hunter in that trade.
If the Lakers weren't so incompetent the last 2 summers I don't think anyone would be talking about this, but the fact that the Lakers have so royally bungled the last 2 off seasons is why this is being questioned. 

But the full trade was

Ingram
Ball
Hart
Isaac Bonga
Jemerrio Jones
Mo Wagner
#4 (which the Pelicans traded to Atlanta and moved back, while Atlanta took Hunter)
2022 1st - #8 - Dyson Daniels
2023 Swap
2024 or 2025 1st

If the 2022 1st ended up being the 20's and the 23 and future pick ended up being in the 20's, I don't think this sort of thing is really being discussed, but the Lakers so bungled basically every move since winning the title, they are giving the Pelicans high level draft capital still.  That is the problem.
Never understood that Pelican draft day deal to move down from DeAndre Hunter for Jaxson Hayes and parts. Pellies could have had Zion and Darius Garland or DeAndre Hunter out of that draft. Just a dumb move.
Yeah it was strange, but Herb Jones did end up from one of the picks they got

Atlanta got - Solomon Hill (took his salary), 4 - Hunter, 57 - Bone, 23 2nd

New Orleans got - 8 - Hayes, 17 - Alexander-Walker, 35 - Louzada, and a future 1st (from Cleveland) which ended up being 2 2nds (Herb Jones and Vince Williams, Jr.)

I do think shedding Hill may have allowed the Pelicans to acquire Jonas or someone the next summer.  The bigger issue was more who the Pelicans ended up drafting at 8.  Had they gone with Rui Hachimura or Cam Johnson (or even a bit later lottery picks like PJ Washington or Tyler Herro), that trade looks differently.  But even the Hawks missed on Garland instead opting for Hunter (which positionally made sense, but Garland was the higher rated prospect and the Pelicans likely would have taken him had they stayed there).

The other thing about that trade was, Atlanta also had the 10th pick.  I think if I was New Orleans I would have tried harder for 8 and 10 and not settled for 8, 17, and 35. 
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #481 on: November 10, 2022, 02:29:06 PM »

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Lakers will tank. Just wait for the inevitable "Davis hurt something and is out long term" and then they'll find ways to just blame Westbrook while Lebron chases his own records and doesn't really care about the team success either
Why tank? They don't own their pick. Well, they do, but the Pellies can swap. Tanking solves nothing for them.

OMG I'm an idiot lol. Thanks, I completely forgot they don't have their own pick  :laugh:

They traded the farm for Davis.  Seemed like a good deal at the time.  The "tank strategy" for the Lakers is to finish with the exact same record as NOP.  If they are worse, they lose the pick anyway.   NOP is 6-5 right now.  Ingram and Zion have missed a few games.  If they can keep those two on the court, they are going to win games.

In hindsight is it a good deal? 

They won a title, so the answer is probably automatically yes.  But, Ingram + Lonzo + Hart + Dyson Daniels + 2023 swap rights + 2024 OR 2025 #1 is a heck of a package.  I think the Lakers also traded away the rights to DeAndre Hunter in that trade.

Lakers got their title and Pelicans made out like bandits.  Probably consider it a win/win but Lakers paid a dear price for that title.

Still, a title is a title.

That is why I said "at the time".  The perspective on things like this tends to change.  At the time of the trade, you don't know that Davis is going to be injured as much as he has been.  It is a risk that should be considered by a team making a trade like this but it is uncertain at best.  This trade was looking pretty good even a year after the trade was made.  Now not so much.  I think there are a lot of teams that would have made this trade and taken the chance on Davis.

If the pelicans end up with a top 3 pick, which certainly seems possible right now and another lottery pick in coming years it will start to get crazy.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #482 on: November 10, 2022, 05:30:23 PM »

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Watching Bane get interviewed on NBA TV.  :'(

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #483 on: November 10, 2022, 10:18:33 PM »

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Nick Wright throwing daggers at Kyrie, while also praising the Celtics.

https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1590816829340995585?s=20&t=yKO0XZ21vuyqGczsoDcSog

Broussard also throwing daggers at Kyrie (and a bit at Durant).

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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #484 on: November 10, 2022, 11:47:47 PM »

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Right there with you.   :'( :'(

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #485 on: November 11, 2022, 02:00:03 AM »

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Eric Nehm: The Bucks have submitted their injury report for tomorrow night’s game in San Antonio. OUT: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Jrue Holiday, Pat Connaughton, Joe Ingles, Khris Middleton, AJ Green

Bucks will probably still win.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #486 on: November 11, 2022, 08:30:47 AM »

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Lakers will tank. Just wait for the inevitable "Davis hurt something and is out long term" and then they'll find ways to just blame Westbrook while Lebron chases his own records and doesn't really care about the team success either
Why tank? They don't own their pick. Well, they do, but the Pellies can swap. Tanking solves nothing for them.

OMG I'm an idiot lol. Thanks, I completely forgot they don't have their own pick  :laugh:

They traded the farm for Davis.  Seemed like a good deal at the time.  The "tank strategy" for the Lakers is to finish with the exact same record as NOP.  If they are worse, they lose the pick anyway.   NOP is 6-5 right now.  Ingram and Zion have missed a few games.  If they can keep those two on the court, they are going to win games.

In hindsight is it a good deal? 

They won a title, so the answer is probably automatically yes.  But, Ingram + Lonzo + Hart + Dyson Daniels + 2023 swap rights + 2024 OR 2025 #1 is a heck of a package.  I think the Lakers also traded away the rights to DeAndre Hunter in that trade.

Lakers got their title and Pelicans made out like bandits.  Probably consider it a win/win but Lakers paid a dear price for that title.

Still, a title is a title.

That is why I said "at the time".  The perspective on things like this tends to change.  At the time of the trade, you don't know that Davis is going to be injured as much as he has been.  It is a risk that should be considered by a team making a trade like this but it is uncertain at best.  This trade was looking pretty good even a year after the trade was made.  Now not so much.  I think there are a lot of teams that would have made this trade and taken the chance on Davis.

If the pelicans end up with a top 3 pick, which certainly seems possible right now and another lottery pick in coming years it will start to get crazy.

I think part of the equation for the Lakers was that they expected to remain a top team so these draft picks would not be so valuable.  Reasonable assumption at the time, but it isn't working out that way.  Both LeBron and Davis are wearing down.  Their "run" so far looks like 1 championship.  I would say they expected a longer run.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #487 on: November 12, 2022, 12:53:22 AM »

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Lakers fall to 2-10. Tied for worst record in league. They were a bad more competitive tonight without Lebron, seemed like some of the young guys like reaves played a bit looser, just don’t have enough talent.

Genuinely curious if people still think buddy hield and turner even get this team to the playin?
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #488 on: November 12, 2022, 05:33:58 AM »

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Lakers fall to 2-10. Tied for worst record in league. They were a bad more competitive tonight without Lebron, seemed like some of the young guys like reaves played a bit looser, just don’t have enough talent.

Genuinely curious if people still think buddy hield and turner even get this team to the playin?
LeBron just want stats & more money now
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #489 on: November 12, 2022, 01:43:01 PM »

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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #490 on: November 12, 2022, 02:02:38 PM »

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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #491 on: November 12, 2022, 02:52:43 PM »

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Since joining the New Orleans Pelicans, Jonas Valanciunas has averaged 17/11/2 on 54/36/83 shooting, in 29.5MPG. This season he is down to 24.7MPG, but still averaging 14/11/2.

I know a lot of the credit for NOP turning around goes to Ingram and CJ (and Zion this season), but Jonas is an unsung hero of that team.

I was very loudly in favour of getting him several times through the last 5 seasons, and I am still bummed we missed out!
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #492 on: November 12, 2022, 03:10:35 PM »

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Since joining the New Orleans Pelicans, Jonas Valanciunas has averaged 17/11/2 on 54/36/83 shooting, in 29.5MPG. This season he is down to 24.7MPG, but still averaging 14/11/2.

I know a lot of the credit for NOP turning around goes to Ingram and CJ (and Zion this season), but Jonas is an unsung hero of that team.

I was very loudly in favour of getting him several times through the last 5 seasons, and I am still bummed we missed out!

Valanciunas has been underrated for several years now.  He was quietly Memphis’ best player in his last year there too, even though Morant got most of the credit.

He can play.

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« Reply #493 on: November 12, 2022, 03:10:46 PM »

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Since joining the New Orleans Pelicans, Jonas Valanciunas has averaged 17/11/2 on 54/36/83 shooting, in 29.5MPG. This season he is down to 24.7MPG, but still averaging 14/11/2.

I know a lot of the credit for NOP turning around goes to Ingram and CJ (and Zion this season), but Jonas is an unsung hero of that team.

I was very loudly in favour of getting him several times through the last 5 seasons, and I am still bummed we missed out!
Guy I also advocated to get. Definitely someone that would have fit into the TPE that summer after the Fournier trade.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #494 on: November 12, 2022, 03:12:06 PM »

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CP3 getting 30mpg but only averaging 9.5ppg. That is shocking. He is doing the business in handing out assists with about as many dimes as points with 9.4apg but under 10ppg is shocking for CP3.

Ayton is only getting 26.6mpg as Monty keeps reducing his court time. Ayton 14.5ppg 7.4rpg. That looks like a problem that is going to get larger in the near future.