NBA Season 2022-23

[Celtics2021]

Warriors rested their starters and lost again. Poole’s contract hasn’t translated so far. Should they trade Dray and let guys like Kuminga get more playing time?

Ty Jerome had a fantastic game for them in relief of those starters. 

I still think he could be an excellent backup PG for a playoff team.

I was definitely leading the Ty Jerome charge this off-season.  Given our PG depth I get why it didn’t happen, but I’d have liked him all the same.

[celticsclay]

Missed this in the Kyrie stuff, but if anyone had 'early November' for their guess for Simmons trade discussions to start swirling - congratulations, you were right:
https://www.si.com/nba/2022/11/02/ben-simmons-trade-rumors-brooklyn-nets-western-conference-team

I'd still acquire him, but we can't make the money work (with anyone I'd be willing to trade).  Shame we don't have 15-17 million of extra salary sitting on the team. 

Simmons for Kennard, Covington, Boston works financially.  I think that would be an interesting team for both the Nets and Clippers

$35-40M/year for 6pts/6rebs/7ast? No thanks.

He is coming off back surgery.  I think he will go back more to what he was when he starts getting healthier physically and I think he'd better not on the Nets.  So something like 14/8/8/ with versatile 1st team all defense type stuff.  The back has been a real issue early in the year, I think that has been the bigger issue than the mental stuff.

You're probably the only guy that wants Simmons at this point 

Agreed. I think he was the guy saying he would still take simmons in a redraft over jaylen this past summer. I just don’t see how fixes the mental stuff. He still doesnt want to shoot and it is arguably worse than ever.

[SparzWizard]

Lakers lose, Bills lose, Patriots win, Brady win

It's a good Sunday 

[The Oracle]

Vanderbilt out tonight for the Jazz against the Clippers.  It will be interesting to see what the Jazz do.  Offensively the Jazz should torch the Clips because Zubac can't be hidden on Vanderbilt now, he will have to guard Olynyk.  That is if they start someone like Beasley or maybe give Fontecchio a shot.  I doubt they go triple towers and start Kessler but who knows.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Missed this in the Kyrie stuff, but if anyone had 'early November' for their guess for Simmons trade discussions to start swirling - congratulations, you were right:
https://www.si.com/nba/2022/11/02/ben-simmons-trade-rumors-brooklyn-nets-western-conference-team

I'd still acquire him, but we can't make the money work (with anyone I'd be willing to trade).  Shame we don't have 15-17 million of extra salary sitting on the team. 

Simmons for Kennard, Covington, Boston works financially.  I think that would be an interesting team for both the Nets and Clippers

$35-40M/year for 6pts/6rebs/7ast? No thanks.

He is coming off back surgery.  I think he will go back more to what he was when he starts getting healthier physically and I think he'd better not on the Nets.  So something like 14/8/8/ with versatile 1st team all defense type stuff.  The back has been a real issue early in the year, I think that has been the bigger issue than the mental stuff.

You're probably the only guy that wants Simmons at this point 

There is no way for Boston to acquire him for what I'd give up.  He makes too much money, but in a vacuum sure, I'd take Simmons.  I think he will get back to All League Defense with solid rebounding and passing numbers.  Basically think he could be a Draymond Green type player, which is a valuable player to have on a team.

Physically, Simmons is talented. He has the potential to be a top defensive player again, but he hasn’t demonstrated this for a couple of years. I think it’s fair to say that his last two years have been brutal for his teams.

Ben Simmons doesn’t have Dray’s motor. Very few players do. Are you banking on Ben Simmons’ interest in playing basketball at a high level? I’m not sure I want to take that risk.

That being said, I’d imagine his market value is reasonably low if you believe in the young man.

[celticsclay]

Missed this in the Kyrie stuff, but if anyone had 'early November' for their guess for Simmons trade discussions to start swirling - congratulations, you were right:
https://www.si.com/nba/2022/11/02/ben-simmons-trade-rumors-brooklyn-nets-western-conference-team

I'd still acquire him, but we can't make the money work (with anyone I'd be willing to trade).  Shame we don't have 15-17 million of extra salary sitting on the team. 

Simmons for Kennard, Covington, Boston works financially.  I think that would be an interesting team for both the Nets and Clippers

$35-40M/year for 6pts/6rebs/7ast? No thanks.

He is coming off back surgery.  I think he will go back more to what he was when he starts getting healthier physically and I think he'd better not on the Nets.  So something like 14/8/8/ with versatile 1st team all defense type stuff.  The back has been a real issue early in the year, I think that has been the bigger issue than the mental stuff.

You're probably the only guy that wants Simmons at this point 

There is no way for Boston to acquire him for what I'd give up.  He makes too much money, but in a vacuum sure, I'd take Simmons.  I think he will get back to All League Defense with solid rebounding and passing numbers.  Basically think he could be a Draymond Green type player, which is a valuable player to have on a team.

Physically, Simmons is talented. He has the potential to be a top defensive player again, but he hasn’t demonstrated this for a couple of years. I think it’s fair to say that his last two years have been brutal for his teams.

Ben Simmons doesn’t have Dray’s motor. Very few players do. Are you banking on Ben Simmons’ interest in playing basketball at a high level? I’m not sure I want to take that risk.

That being said, I’d imagine his market value is reasonably low if you believe in the young man.

He is a negative asset at this point. You could get him for a first rounder and an expiring. Per the nets beat rider nobody is interested.

[JSD]

Jazz now 8-3

Amazing what happens when you get a top 5 GM

[radiohead]

Jazz now 8-3

Amazing what happens when you get a top 5 GM

Everyone thought the Jazz were gonna tank, but apparently not. Is this a good strategy by Danny and Will though? Would they not want to be in the Wembeyana sweepstakes? The trade between Utah and Cleveland has definitely been a win-win situation, with both teams playing excellently with their new guys. How I wish we could have gotten KO back.

[JSD]

Jazz now 8-3

Amazing what happens when you get a top 5 GM

Everyone thought the Jazz were gonna tank, but apparently not. Is this a good strategy by Danny and Will though? Would they not want to be in the Wembeyana sweepstakes? The trade between Utah and Cleveland has definitely been a win-win situation, with both teams playing excellently with their new guys. How I wish we could have gotten KO back.

Remember when the Celtics were competing while simultaneously in the running for top draft talent? Ainge will probably be able to do that in Utah.

That said, I agree, VM is the type of generational talent that you are okay tanking the season for. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ainge make more moves to collect even more assets and get worse

[Somebody]

Missed this in the Kyrie stuff, but if anyone had 'early November' for their guess for Simmons trade discussions to start swirling - congratulations, you were right:
https://www.si.com/nba/2022/11/02/ben-simmons-trade-rumors-brooklyn-nets-western-conference-team

I'd still acquire him, but we can't make the money work (with anyone I'd be willing to trade).  Shame we don't have 15-17 million of extra salary sitting on the team. 

Simmons for Kennard, Covington, Boston works financially.  I think that would be an interesting team for both the Nets and Clippers

$35-40M/year for 6pts/6rebs/7ast? No thanks.

He is coming off back surgery.  I think he will go back more to what he was when he starts getting healthier physically and I think he'd better not on the Nets.  So something like 14/8/8/ with versatile 1st team all defense type stuff.  The back has been a real issue early in the year, I think that has been the bigger issue than the mental stuff.

You're probably the only guy that wants Simmons at this point 

There is no way for Boston to acquire him for what I'd give up.  He makes too much money, but in a vacuum sure, I'd take Simmons.  I think he will get back to All League Defense with solid rebounding and passing numbers.  Basically think he could be a Draymond Green type player, which is a valuable player to have on a team.

Physically, Simmons is talented. He has the potential to be a top defensive player again, but he hasn’t demonstrated this for a couple of years. I think it’s fair to say that his last two years have been brutal for his teams.

Ben Simmons doesn’t have Dray’s motor. Very few players do. Are you banking on Ben Simmons’ interest in playing basketball at a high level? I’m not sure I want to take that risk.

That being said, I’d imagine his market value is reasonably low if you believe in the young man.

How the hell do people go from 2022 Ben Simmons -> All-League defender -> Draymond Green???

Draymond is one of the greatest defenders of all time - he can anchor elite defences in a way that Simmons has never come close to as a good but not great PoA defender (obviously tacks on more value than a good PoA guard defender due to his size and versatility, but he's not really anything more than a low-level/fringe All-Defensive forward). Peak Simmons was certainly better than post-2017/2018 Draymond on offence though.

[trickybilly]

Ccan't remember who, but a lot of people on here were shilling for Markkanen (not me) and so congrats to those people. Guy has been elite.

[Donoghus]

Kinda neat how the NBA staggered all the starting times tonight.

[Vermont Green]

Ccan't remember who, but a lot of people on here were shilling for Markkanen (not me) and so congrats to those people. Guy has been elite.

I am not sure there was any real opportunity to get Markkanen but I was one of the proponents.  Most recently, I suggested a trade for White.  Some agreed, most were against it.

Smart
Brown
Tatum
Markkanen
RWilliams

...for the next 5 years or so would be a very formidable line up. 

[No Nickname]

Warriors rested their starters and lost again. Poole’s contract hasn’t translated so far. Should they trade Dray and let guys like Kuminga get more playing time?

Ty Jerome had a fantastic game for them in relief of those starters. 

I still think he could be an excellent backup PG for a playoff team.

I was definitely leading the Ty Jerome charge this off-season.  Given our PG depth I get why it didn’t happen, but I’d have liked him all the same.

Steve Kerr is a big fan of Ty Jerome now too:

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/why-ty-jerome-has-been-warriors-godsend-according-steve-kerr

[celts55]

Ccan't remember who, but a lot of people on here were shilling for Markkanen (not me) and so congrats to those people. Guy has been elite.

I am not sure there was any real opportunity to get Markkanen but I was one of the proponents.  Most recently, I suggested a trade for White.  Some agreed, most were against it.

Smart
Brown
Tatum
Markkanen
RWilliams

...for the next 5 years or so would be a very formidable line up.

I would be willing to trade Smart for him, but not sure if that’s enough. Maybe as part of the deal