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Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #195 on: September 22, 2022, 11:36:52 AM »

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Seems heavy handed when Ime was single and not in a relationship anymore with nia long. Suspend 15 games. An entire season makes zero sense whatsoever for a consensual in house relationship

IF Joe M. does well Ime might be gone for good.

I don’t think it matters if he had a relationship. What matters is that he had a “consensual” relationship with a subordinate.

 Just having a consensual relationship is worth 82 games, the playoffs and maybe his job if Joe M. Does very well? Just seems like way too much

I didn't know he was single.  A full season is a lot for a consensual relationship.  I'm sure team rules are against this and for good reason but if the other party is willing to sign an affidavit stating this and both parties sign waivers (which any HR dept would do to cover the company) then there has to be more to this.  A single guy dating a work happens a lot.  I was thinking he was engaged and cheating.

She was at the finals, sitting court side, cheering for the Celtics. So I have no idea why CIO keeps saying that he was single. Considering she’s a pretty famous actress and he’s the head coach of an NBA team, pretty sure we would have heard about them breaking up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MAFWLnnkULM


Because that was June and this is almost October. Plenty of time for them to call it quits. Just going by what other people have tweeted. Said that relationship had ended before the one with the Celtics staffer started.

When two famous people who have been together for a long time split in 2022, we hear about it. That would have been a big story for the tabloids. Do you have a link?
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Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #196 on: September 22, 2022, 11:40:03 AM »

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I’m not sure why people are concerning themselves with infidelity. That doesn’t matter to the organization. What matters is that a higher up was with a subordinate. This doesn’t fly in most professions.

Correct.  And in having that relationship, were attempts made to hide it from everyone, and if so, to what degree?  Also, did the relationship either cause harm to the staffer or her peers?  The Celtics evaluated the rules Udoka broke, as well as any violation of trust on top of those rules, and weighed that against his overall job performance, which presumably they view as stellar.

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« Reply #197 on: September 22, 2022, 11:40:24 AM »

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On Sunday, Mazzulla and teammate Dalton Pepper were cited for allegedly urinating in public in downtown Morgantown. The duo can either go to court or pay fines ranging from $135 to $535.
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Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #198 on: September 22, 2022, 11:42:15 AM »

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Seems heavy handed when Ime was single and not in a relationship anymore with nia long. Suspend 15 games. An entire season makes zero sense whatsoever for a consensual in house relationship

IF Joe M. does well Ime might be gone for good.

I don’t think it matters if he had a relationship. What matters is that he had a “consensual” relationship with a subordinate.

 Just having a consensual relationship is worth 82 games, the playoffs and maybe his job if Joe M. Does very well? Just seems like way too much

I didn't know he was single.  A full season is a lot for a consensual relationship.  I'm sure team rules are against this and for good reason but if the other party is willing to sign an affidavit stating this and both parties sign waivers (which any HR dept would do to cover the company) then there has to be more to this.  A single guy dating a work happens a lot.  I was thinking he was engaged and cheating.

She was at the finals, sitting court side, cheering for the Celtics. So I have no idea why CIO keeps saying that he was single. Considering she’s a pretty famous actress and he’s the head coach of an NBA team, pretty sure we would have heard about them breaking up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MAFWLnnkULM


Because that was June and this is almost October. Plenty of time for them to call it quits. Just going by what other people have tweeted. Said that relationship had ended before the one with the Celtics staffer started.

When two famous people who have been together for a long time split in 2022, we hear about it. That would have been a big story for the tabloids. Do you have a link?


Per Brandon Robinson:

Boston Celtics coach Ime Udoka and his partner are believed to have been separated prior to current issue sources tell @BallySports

Celtics players have been aware of current issue with their coach for a couple of days & were briefed earlier this week.

Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #199 on: September 22, 2022, 11:43:07 AM »

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Regarding the power dynamic, other than choosing his assistant coaches (who are all men) what power does he have in that regard?

I mean...what power does Jayson Tatum have within the organization beyond shot selection when he's allowed to play? Udoka clearly commands a fair bit of power and influence here.

I’m not sure Tatum has power over individuals that are not coaches, part of the medical staff or the GM, all of whom he interacts with regularly. Is Ime hiring and promoting individuals that are not part of his coaching staff?
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Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #200 on: September 22, 2022, 11:44:05 AM »

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Our future interim head coach Joe Mazzulla lol

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Eamonn Brennan
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West Virginia point guard Joe Mazzulla has developed a rather unfortunate habit of finding his way into the police blotter.

The first incident came in 2008, when Mazzulla was charged with underage drinking and aggravated assault at a Pittsburgh Pirates game. Last year, Mazzulla was suspended by West Virginia coach Bob Huggins for his arrest on charges of domestic battery. Mazzulla allegedly grabbed a woman by the neck at The Lady Lizard bar in Morgantown, W.Va. Both incidents involved alcohol.

On Sunday, Mazzulla and teammate Dalton Pepper were cited for allegedly urinating in public in downtown Morgantown. The duo can either go to court or pay fines ranging from $135 to $535.

Which I'm sure has been known by the organization.


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Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #201 on: September 22, 2022, 11:46:01 AM »

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Seems heavy handed when Ime was single and not in a relationship anymore with nia long. Suspend 15 games. An entire season makes zero sense whatsoever for a consensual in house relationship

IF Joe M. does well Ime might be gone for good.

I don’t think it matters if he had a relationship. What matters is that he had a “consensual” relationship with a subordinate.

 Just having a consensual relationship is worth 82 games, the playoffs and maybe his job if Joe M. Does very well? Just seems like way too much

I didn't know he was single.  A full season is a lot for a consensual relationship.  I'm sure team rules are against this and for good reason but if the other party is willing to sign an affidavit stating this and both parties sign waivers (which any HR dept would do to cover the company) then there has to be more to this.  A single guy dating a work happens a lot.  I was thinking he was engaged and cheating.

She was at the finals, sitting court side, cheering for the Celtics. So I have no idea why CIO keeps saying that he was single. Considering she’s a pretty famous actress and he’s the head coach of an NBA team, pretty sure we would have heard about them breaking up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MAFWLnnkULM


Because that was June and this is almost October. Plenty of time for them to call it quits. Just going by what other people have tweeted. Said that relationship had ended before the one with the Celtics staffer started.

When two famous people who have been together for a long time split in 2022, we hear about it. That would have been a big story for the tabloids. Do you have a link?


Per Brandon Robinson:

Boston Celtics coach Ime Udoka and his partner are believed to have been separated prior to current issue sources tell @BallySports

Celtics players have been aware of current issue with their coach for a couple of days & were briefed earlier this week.

How about a legitimate source with a link? So this random guy knows from Bally Sports, but TMZ doesn’t. Sorry, not buying it.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #202 on: September 22, 2022, 11:49:10 AM »

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Seems heavy handed when Ime was single and not in a relationship anymore with nia long. Suspend 15 games. An entire season makes zero sense whatsoever for a consensual in house relationship

IF Joe M. does well Ime might be gone for good.

I don’t think it matters if he had a relationship. What matters is that he had a “consensual” relationship with a subordinate.

 Just having a consensual relationship is worth 82 games, the playoffs and maybe his job if Joe M. Does very well? Just seems like way too much

I didn't know he was single.  A full season is a lot for a consensual relationship.  I'm sure team rules are against this and for good reason but if the other party is willing to sign an affidavit stating this and both parties sign waivers (which any HR dept would do to cover the company) then there has to be more to this.  A single guy dating a work happens a lot.  I was thinking he was engaged and cheating.

She was at the finals, sitting court side, cheering for the Celtics. So I have no idea why CIO keeps saying that he was single. Considering she’s a pretty famous actress and he’s the head coach of an NBA team, pretty sure we would have heard about them breaking up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MAFWLnnkULM


Because that was June and this is almost October. Plenty of time for them to call it quits. Just going by what other people have tweeted. Said that relationship had ended before the one with the Celtics staffer started.

When two famous people who have been together for a long time split in 2022, we hear about it. That would have been a big story for the tabloids. Do you have a link?


Per Brandon Robinson:

Boston Celtics coach Ime Udoka and his partner are believed to have been separated prior to current issue sources tell @BallySports

Celtics players have been aware of current issue with their coach for a couple of days & were briefed earlier this week.

How about a legitimate source with a link? So this random guy knows from Bally Sports, but TMZ doesn’t. Sorry, not buying it.

That’s your right to believe what you want to. Nothing would surprise me.

Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #203 on: September 22, 2022, 11:50:54 AM »

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Seems heavy handed when Ime was single and not in a relationship anymore with nia long. Suspend 15 games. An entire season makes zero sense whatsoever for a consensual in house relationship

IF Joe M. does well Ime might be gone for good.

I don’t think it matters if he had a relationship. What matters is that he had a “consensual” relationship with a subordinate.

 Just having a consensual relationship is worth 82 games, the playoffs and maybe his job if Joe M. Does very well? Just seems like way too much

I didn't know he was single.  A full season is a lot for a consensual relationship.  I'm sure team rules are against this and for good reason but if the other party is willing to sign an affidavit stating this and both parties sign waivers (which any HR dept would do to cover the company) then there has to be more to this.  A single guy dating a work happens a lot.  I was thinking he was engaged and cheating.

She was at the finals, sitting court side, cheering for the Celtics. So I have no idea why CIO keeps saying that he was single. Considering she’s a pretty famous actress and he’s the head coach of an NBA team, pretty sure we would have heard about them breaking up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MAFWLnnkULM


Because that was June and this is almost October. Plenty of time for them to call it quits. Just going by what other people have tweeted. Said that relationship had ended before the one with the Celtics staffer started.

When two famous people who have been together for a long time split in 2022, we hear about it. That would have been a big story for the tabloids. Do you have a link?


Per Brandon Robinson:

Boston Celtics coach Ime Udoka and his partner are believed to have been separated prior to current issue sources tell @BallySports

Celtics players have been aware of current issue with their coach for a couple of days & were briefed earlier this week.

How about a legitimate source with a link? So this random guy knows from Bally Sports, but TMZ doesn’t. Sorry, not buying it.

Why does it matter gold star? Also, there are rules in place so people don’t take advantage of their positions in quid pro quo situations that don’t benefit the organization. Think of Harvey Weinstein and other gross men that abused their positions.

Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #204 on: September 22, 2022, 11:51:22 AM »

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Per Chris mannix:

Ime Udoka has considered the possibility of resigning, sources told @SInow. Internally, coaches and staff members are bracing for the likelihood that Udoka will be suspended for one year for having a relationship with a female staffer.

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« Reply #205 on: September 22, 2022, 11:52:55 AM »

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This season is falling apart before it begins..  >:(
We be okay..I didn’t expect big things from Gallinari anyhow…TimeLord is always hurt, so should be use to playing without him anyhow…Mazzulla been here last year and players know what to do…just get an experienced big & we be ready to roll!!!

I hope you're right. It's all just a little deflating...

I wish. That was only a four game suspension and a loss of a draft pick.

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« Reply #206 on: September 22, 2022, 11:54:42 AM »

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Ime gonna have to read the fine print next time he signs a contract.
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Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #207 on: September 22, 2022, 12:03:20 PM »

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Seems heavy handed when Ime was single and not in a relationship anymore with nia long. Suspend 15 games. An entire season makes zero sense whatsoever for a consensual in house relationship

IF Joe M. does well Ime might be gone for good.

I don’t think it matters if he had a relationship. What matters is that he had a “consensual” relationship with a subordinate.

 Just having a consensual relationship is worth 82 games, the playoffs and maybe his job if Joe M. Does very well? Just seems like way too much

I didn't know he was single.  A full season is a lot for a consensual relationship.  I'm sure team rules are against this and for good reason but if the other party is willing to sign an affidavit stating this and both parties sign waivers (which any HR dept would do to cover the company) then there has to be more to this.  A single guy dating a work happens a lot.  I was thinking he was engaged and cheating.

She was at the finals, sitting court side, cheering for the Celtics. So I have no idea why CIO keeps saying that he was single. Considering she’s a pretty famous actress and he’s the head coach of an NBA team, pretty sure we would have heard about them breaking up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MAFWLnnkULM


Because that was June and this is almost October. Plenty of time for them to call it quits. Just going by what other people have tweeted. Said that relationship had ended before the one with the Celtics staffer started.

When two famous people who have been together for a long time split in 2022, we hear about it. That would have been a big story for the tabloids. Do you have a link?


Per Brandon Robinson:

Boston Celtics coach Ime Udoka and his partner are believed to have been separated prior to current issue sources tell @BallySports

Celtics players have been aware of current issue with their coach for a couple of days & were briefed earlier this week.

How about a legitimate source with a link? So this random guy knows from Bally Sports, but TMZ doesn’t. Sorry, not buying it.

Why does it matter gold star? Also, there are rules in place so people don’t take advantage of their positions in quid pro quo situations that don’t benefit the organization. Think of Harvey Weinstein and other gross men that abused their positions.

Having an affair vs being single and dating a co-worker doesn’t matter? The optics would look so much worse. That does make a difference in the world that we live in.
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Re: Udoka Facing Suspension
« Reply #208 on: September 22, 2022, 12:12:49 PM »

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This guy jeopardized a title-contending season by putting his pecker first.  I don't know who he banged or what the nature of their relationship is, but if it's a serious enough offense to warrant a season-long suspension, I'd lean towards cutting bait.  There are other good coaches.

Wonder what Horford thinks of this guy scuttling one of his last few seasons of high-level ball.  Or Grant, heading into a contract year.  We have very high stakes this season and Ime just let everybody down. 

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« Reply #209 on: September 22, 2022, 12:18:19 PM »

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Seems heavy handed when Ime was single and not in a relationship anymore with nia long. Suspend 15 games. An entire season makes zero sense whatsoever for a consensual in house relationship

IF Joe M. does well Ime might be gone for good.

I don’t think it matters if he had a relationship. What matters is that he had a “consensual” relationship with a subordinate.

 Just having a consensual relationship is worth 82 games, the playoffs and maybe his job if Joe M. Does very well? Just seems like way too much

I didn't know he was single.  A full season is a lot for a consensual relationship.  I'm sure team rules are against this and for good reason but if the other party is willing to sign an affidavit stating this and both parties sign waivers (which any HR dept would do to cover the company) then there has to be more to this.  A single guy dating a work happens a lot.  I was thinking he was engaged and cheating.

She was at the finals, sitting court side, cheering for the Celtics. So I have no idea why CIO keeps saying that he was single. Considering she’s a pretty famous actress and he’s the head coach of an NBA team, pretty sure we would have heard about them breaking up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MAFWLnnkULM


Because that was June and this is almost October. Plenty of time for them to call it quits. Just going by what other people have tweeted. Said that relationship had ended before the one with the Celtics staffer started.

When two famous people who have been together for a long time split in 2022, we hear about it. That would have been a big story for the tabloids. Do you have a link?


Per Brandon Robinson:

Boston Celtics coach Ime Udoka and his partner are believed to have been separated prior to current issue sources tell @BallySports

Celtics players have been aware of current issue with their coach for a couple of days & were briefed earlier this week.

How about a legitimate source with a link? So this random guy knows from Bally Sports, but TMZ doesn’t. Sorry, not buying it.

Why does it matter gold star? Also, there are rules in place so people don’t take advantage of their positions in quid pro quo situations that don’t benefit the organization. Think of Harvey Weinstein and other gross men that abused their positions.

Having an affair vs being single and dating a co-worker doesn’t matter? The optics would look so much worse. That does make a difference in the world that we live in.

It matters much less (imo) whether it was an affair v. 2 single people than whether it is a breach of organization rules.  It matters whether or not there is a power differential. Avoiding  the potential subjectivity of these situations is  likely why there are such rules in the first place.

Bill Clinton and Monica wasn’t so disturbing to me because it was an affair, rather, because he was 50 yo POTUS and she was 22 yo intern. 

Once it’s known who it is there may be discussion that it’s not a big deal. But the point is that he broke an important organizational rule.  What we subsequently might think about Ime as a person can have nothing to do with whether or not we think he should be suspended.