NFL 2022 Season

[Celtics2021]

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1579570264144506880?t=w6LpWZeAPOWn6vLnU321hg&s=19

No concussion symptoms yet he was removed from game and is still in the protocols.  The new protocols may have cost Miami a game and may affect a future game for a guy that is seemingly perfectly healthy.

I don’t give a [dang] if teams lose games as the result of the NFL finally taking something beyond token measures to address concussion

except he wasn't hit in the head, showed no symptoms of any kind, and doesn't have a concussion.

This is absolutely, 100% false.  He was evaluated because he was diagnosed with ataxia, which, per the NFL is “is defined as abnormality of balance/stability, motor coordination or dysfunctional speech caused by a neurological issue.”  He clearly had to show symptoms of some kind to be diagnosed with ataxia.

[Moranis]

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1579570264144506880?t=w6LpWZeAPOWn6vLnU321hg&s=19

No concussion symptoms yet he was removed from game and is still in the protocols.  The new protocols may have cost Miami a game and may affect a future game for a guy that is seemingly perfectly healthy.

I don’t give a [dang] if teams lose games as the result of the NFL finally taking something beyond token measures to address concussion

except he wasn't hit in the head, showed no symptoms of any kind, and doesn't have a concussion.

This is absolutely, 100% false.  He was evaluated because he was diagnosed with ataxia, which, per the NFL is “is defined as abnormality of balance/stability, motor coordination or dysfunctional speech caused by a neurological issue.”  He clearly had to show symptoms of some kind to be diagnosed with ataxia.

He was held out because the spotter saw him "stumble".  Of course there is no video evidence of him stumbling, but even if he did, the stumble actually has to be connected to a neurological issue and it clearly wasn't since he passed every and unlike Tua, he wasn't actually hit in the head at any point in that tackle.  Player safety is fine, but getting the wind knocked out of you when you land on your arm, should not keep you out of a game and potentially the next game.  It is ridiculous.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Kyrie Moranis looks at the world in a different way than I do. It’s ok, we need a diversity of thought. So he stumbled because he got his wind knocked out?!?!

After Junior Seau, Etc etc- your concerns are with the owner and fans of Miami, not the health of the athlete lying unconscious on the ground?

[Vermont Green]

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1579570264144506880?t=w6LpWZeAPOWn6vLnU321hg&s=19

No concussion symptoms yet he was removed from game and is still in the protocols.  The new protocols may have cost Miami a game and may affect a future game for a guy that is seemingly perfectly healthy.

I don’t give a [dang] if teams lose games as the result of the NFL finally taking something beyond token measures to address concussion

except he wasn't hit in the head, showed no symptoms of any kind, and doesn't have a concussion.

This is absolutely, 100% false.  He was evaluated because he was diagnosed with ataxia, which, per the NFL is “is defined as abnormality of balance/stability, motor coordination or dysfunctional speech caused by a neurological issue.”  He clearly had to show symptoms of some kind to be diagnosed with ataxia.

He was held out because the spotter saw him "stumble".  Of course there is no video evidence of him stumbling, but even if he did, the stumble actually has to be connected to a neurological issue and it clearly wasn't since he passed every and unlike Tua, he wasn't actually hit in the head at any point in that tackle.  Player safety is fine, but getting the wind knocked out of you when you land on your arm, should not keep you out of a game and potentially the next game.  It is ridiculous.

Boy, talk about dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.  I am not a Doctor but it is pretty clear that even neurological specialists have a hard time diagnosing when there is a concussion or not.  I saw Bridgewater wobble more than stumble and he was clearly flexing his hand which can be related to something happening in your head or neck.  Or maybe it is nothing.

I don't blame the team/league/Doctors for being cautious.  At this point, you really have to be.

[Moranis]

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1579570264144506880?t=w6LpWZeAPOWn6vLnU321hg&s=19

No concussion symptoms yet he was removed from game and is still in the protocols.  The new protocols may have cost Miami a game and may affect a future game for a guy that is seemingly perfectly healthy.

I don’t give a [dang] if teams lose games as the result of the NFL finally taking something beyond token measures to address concussion

except he wasn't hit in the head, showed no symptoms of any kind, and doesn't have a concussion.

This is absolutely, 100% false.  He was evaluated because he was diagnosed with ataxia, which, per the NFL is “is defined as abnormality of balance/stability, motor coordination or dysfunctional speech caused by a neurological issue.”  He clearly had to show symptoms of some kind to be diagnosed with ataxia.

He was held out because the spotter saw him "stumble".  Of course there is no video evidence of him stumbling, but even if he did, the stumble actually has to be connected to a neurological issue and it clearly wasn't since he passed every and unlike Tua, he wasn't actually hit in the head at any point in that tackle.  Player safety is fine, but getting the wind knocked out of you when you land on your arm, should not keep you out of a game and potentially the next game.  It is ridiculous.

Boy, talk about dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.  I am not a Doctor but it is pretty clear that even neurological specialists have a hard time diagnosing when there is a concussion or not.  I saw Bridgewater wobble more than stumble and he was clearly flexing his hand which can be related to something happening in your head or neck.  Or maybe it is nothing.

I don't blame the team/league/Doctors for being cautious.  At this point, you really have to be.

Or he landed on his arm and had an arm injury (which you know they actually diagnosed). 

I have no issue taking him out to run tests, but if passes all the tests, then he should be able to come back in, especially when he didn't actually hit his head in the tackle.

[Phantom255x]

The NFL has had a bunch of issues so far to start the year, especially with the concussions, concussion protocols, how the refs call "roughing the passer" these days, etc. They better clean everything up quick or things could become real ugly later this season.

I know there's a lot of talk about the concussion protocols which is fair, but I just want to know how the hell a defender is supposed to sack a QB anymore. Now it feels like even if you make a regular tackle on them it's roughing the passer.

Also, I'm fine with using analytics but man, some of these teams are getting absolutely shredded by the analytics and it's costing teams games they should have 100% won if they just went with the norm and trusted their gut. Might not sound like much but in the NFL, sometimes you miss the postseason or favorable seeding by just 1 game.

[SparzWizard]

The NFL has had a bunch of issues so far to start the year, especially with the concussions, concussion protocols, how the refs call "roughing the passer" these days, etc. They better clean everything up quick or things could become real ugly later this season.

I know there's a lot of talk about the concussion protocols which is fair, but I just want to know how the hell a defender is supposed to sack a QB anymore. Now it feels like even if you make a regular tackle on them it's roughing the passer.

Also, I'm fine with using analytics but man, some of these teams are getting absolutely shredded by the analytics and it's costing teams games they should have 100% won if they just went with the norm and trusted their gut. Might not sound like much but in the NFL, sometimes you miss the postseason or favorable seeding by just 1 game.

Now with the new concussion protocol in place...will it ever cross a competitor's mind to just aim for the head/upper body or back while tackling? It would then erase the player from coming back in for the rest of the game. Brings it back to the whole Bountygate issue.

Analytics drive the coaches nuts lol. If I was coach, I'd just go for 2 if I'm down 8 in the middle of the 2nd half, go for 2 if I'm up 19-0 to make it 21-0 game, or take the extra-point to tie the game and not force anything, or go for 2 if my kicker is injured. Or in situations like Patriots/Falcons Superbowl LI, you really needed to go for 2, twice lol. I think the analytics have costed John Harbaugh, Coach Staley, some other coaches playoff berths in previous years.

[sgrogan]

The NFL has had a bunch of issues so far to start the year, especially with the concussions, concussion protocols, how the refs call "roughing the passer" these days, etc. They better clean everything up quick or things could become real ugly later this season.

I know there's a lot of talk about the concussion protocols which is fair, but I just want to know how the hell a defender is supposed to sack a QB anymore. Now it feels like even if you make a regular tackle on them it's roughing the passer.

Also, I'm fine with using analytics but man, some of these teams are getting absolutely shredded by the analytics and it's costing teams games they should have 100% won if they just went with the norm and trusted their gut. Might not sound like much but in the NFL, sometimes you miss the postseason or favorable seeding by just 1 game.

Now with the new concussion protocol in place...will it ever cross a competitor's mind to just aim for the head/upper body or back while tackling? It would then erase the player from coming back in for the rest of the game. Brings it back to the whole Bountygate issue.

Analytics drive the coaches nuts lol. If I was coach, I'd just go for 2 if I'm down 8 in the middle of the 2nd half, go for 2 if I'm up 19-0 to make it 21-0 game, or take the extra-point to tie the game and not force anything, or go for 2 if my kicker is injured. Or in situations like Patriots/Falcons Superbowl LI, you really needed to go for 2, twice lol. I think the analytics have costed John Harbaugh, Coach Staley, some other coaches playoff berths in previous years.

Analytics just can't account for everything.
I think a 2 pt conversion is roughly 50-50
I think if you've made a 2 pt conversion, its slightly higher the second try.
Is the left guard winded because he pulled the previous two plays? Is the kickers kid sick with the flu?

I think Belichick the coach has been pretty consistent when asked if he would do the same thing in the same situation.
"The situation won't ever be the same"

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

It seems that the terrible "roughing the passer" calls in the Bucs-Falcons and Raiders-Chiefs games this week were an overreaction to the Tua situation, which really had little (if anything) to do with the hits Tua took, and much more to do with Miami's questionable handling of Tua's health in the wake of those hits.

Jarret's sack of Brady was completely clean and innocuous, as was Jones's sack of Carr—and given the fact that he stripped the ball from Carr before they hit the ground, does Carr (or any QB) warrant continued special protection on that type of play? I'm reminded of how, if a pass is tipped or batted into the air, there can then be no pass interference called (offensive or defensive); it's just a free for all at that point. I feel like it's the same in the case of a fumble (or at least should be), which is what the Carr-Jones situation was.

[nickagneta]

The bad roughing the passer calls weren't in just the Bucs-Falcons and Raiders-Chiefs games. The one the Pats' got called for when their player barely grazed Goff's facemask and he then acted like he got whacked hard was just as bad a call, even if it had nothing to do with the outcome of the game.

[gouki88]

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1579570264144506880?t=w6LpWZeAPOWn6vLnU321hg&s=19

No concussion symptoms yet he was removed from game and is still in the protocols.  The new protocols may have cost Miami a game and may affect a future game for a guy that is seemingly perfectly healthy.

I don’t give a [dang] if teams lose games as the result of the NFL finally taking something beyond token measures to address concussion

except he wasn't hit in the head, showed no symptoms of any kind, and doesn't have a concussion.

Not only irrelevant, but categorically false too.

[Moranis]

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1579570264144506880?t=w6LpWZeAPOWn6vLnU321hg&s=19

No concussion symptoms yet he was removed from game and is still in the protocols.  The new protocols may have cost Miami a game and may affect a future game for a guy that is seemingly perfectly healthy.

I don’t give a [dang] if teams lose games as the result of the NFL finally taking something beyond token measures to address concussion

except he wasn't hit in the head, showed no symptoms of any kind, and doesn't have a concussion.

Not only irrelevant, but categorically false too.

Nothing I said is false.  He wasn't hit in the head, he has no concussion symptoms, and doesn't have a concussion.  Those are objective facts you can either see in the videos or based on every single diagnosis by the medical professionals that have actually examined him.

[gouki88]

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1579570264144506880?t=w6LpWZeAPOWn6vLnU321hg&s=19

No concussion symptoms yet he was removed from game and is still in the protocols.  The new protocols may have cost Miami a game and may affect a future game for a guy that is seemingly perfectly healthy.

I don’t give a [dang] if teams lose games as the result of the NFL finally taking something beyond token measures to address concussion

except he wasn't hit in the head, showed no symptoms of any kind, and doesn't have a concussion.

Not only irrelevant, but categorically false too.

Nothing I said is false.  He wasn't hit in the head, he has no concussion symptoms, and doesn't have a concussion.  Those are objective facts you can either see in the videos or based on every single diagnosis by the medical professionals that have actually examined him.

Your stubbornness is shameless. You said he "showed no symptoms of any kind". Which is wrong.

You can stamp your feet as much as you want about the ataxia diagnosis, but that is what occurred. You and your ridiculous hills to die on.

[celticsclay]

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1579570264144506880?t=w6LpWZeAPOWn6vLnU321hg&s=19

No concussion symptoms yet he was removed from game and is still in the protocols.  The new protocols may have cost Miami a game and may affect a future game for a guy that is seemingly perfectly healthy.

I don’t give a [dang] if teams lose games as the result of the NFL finally taking something beyond token measures to address concussion

except he wasn't hit in the head, showed no symptoms of any kind, and doesn't have a concussion.

Not only irrelevant, but categorically false too.

Nothing I said is false.  He wasn't hit in the head, he has no concussion symptoms, and doesn't have a concussion.  Those are objective facts you can either see in the videos or based on every single diagnosis by the medical professionals that have actually examined him.

Your stubbornness is shameless. You said he "showed no symptoms of any kind". Which is wrong.

You can stamp your feet as much as you want about the ataxia diagnosis, but that is what occurred. You and your ridiculous hills to die on.

Tp Gouki for fighting the good fight. I have given up on most topics related to football cause he doesn’t really even make sense.

[Moranis]

https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1579570264144506880?t=w6LpWZeAPOWn6vLnU321hg&s=19

No concussion symptoms yet he was removed from game and is still in the protocols.  The new protocols may have cost Miami a game and may affect a future game for a guy that is seemingly perfectly healthy.

I don’t give a [dang] if teams lose games as the result of the NFL finally taking something beyond token measures to address concussion

except he wasn't hit in the head, showed no symptoms of any kind, and doesn't have a concussion.

Not only irrelevant, but categorically false too.

Nothing I said is false.  He wasn't hit in the head, he has no concussion symptoms, and doesn't have a concussion.  Those are objective facts you can either see in the videos or based on every single diagnosis by the medical professionals that have actually examined him.

Your stubbornness is shameless. You said he "showed no symptoms of any kind". Which is wrong.

You can stamp your feet as much as you want about the ataxia diagnosis, but that is what occurred. You and your ridiculous hills to die on.

we were talking about concussions. He had no concussion symptoms. He had no neurological symptoms.  He did not hit his head.  He was diagnosed with an arm injury.  That matches exactly what you see in the video.  He fell hard on his arm.  Shook off the arm stinger and was able to go back in yet couldn't because someone watching on TV thought he hit his head.  It is utter nonsense.  This isn't Tua and shouldn't be treated anywhere near the same way.