Cryie wants Cs fans to forgive and forget….good luck with that!

[Kernewek]

Btw, so Kyrie flips off the crowd multiple times in front of hundreds of cameras and he doesn't get T'd up at all? The refs really didn't notice while 18,000 fans and thousands of people watching on the TV did during the live game?

It’s fairly unusual and bizarre behavior (no he wasn’t doing this kind of stuff in Cleveland). So I don’t think the league has specific policies in place for this kind of thing. Maybe it has happened before, but I only have seen technicals for players taunting the opposing teams players, coach or bench. This is pretty unprecedented behavior for a player to flip the bird at fans multiple times during a game and I can’t remember it happening before. There have been single outburst like Barkley spitting or bridges more recently throwing his mouthpiece into the stands after being ejected. But can’t really recall multiple outbursts from one player over the course of a game before. So far we know of at least three incidents from yesterdays games. Really unhinged behavior

But is it really "really unhinged behaviour"? 

This is much ado about nothing.

[celticsclay]

Btw, so Kyrie flips off the crowd multiple times in front of hundreds of cameras and he doesn't get T'd up at all? The refs really didn't notice while 18,000 fans and thousands of people watching on the TV did during the live game?

It’s fairly unusual and bizarre behavior (no he wasn’t doing this kind of stuff in Cleveland). So I don’t think the league has specific policies in place for this kind of thing. Maybe it has happened before, but I only have seen technicals for players taunting the opposing teams players, coach or bench. This is pretty unprecedented behavior for a player to flip the bird at fans multiple times during a game and I can’t remember it happening before. There have been single outburst like Barkley spitting or bridges more recently throwing his mouthpiece into the stands after being ejected. But can’t really recall multiple outbursts from one player over the course of a game before. So far we know of at least three incidents from yesterdays games. Really unhinged behavior

But is it really "really unhinged behaviour"? 

This is much ado about nothing.

I don’t think it is going to kill anyone, but yes flipping off fans on two different occasions and then yelling suck my —— at fan in a third incident are signs of becoming unhinged. I’m confused why you think this is normal…

[Kernewek]

Btw, so Kyrie flips off the crowd multiple times in front of hundreds of cameras and he doesn't get T'd up at all? The refs really didn't notice while 18,000 fans and thousands of people watching on the TV did during the live game?

It’s fairly unusual and bizarre behavior (no he wasn’t doing this kind of stuff in Cleveland). So I don’t think the league has specific policies in place for this kind of thing. Maybe it has happened before, but I only have seen technicals for players taunting the opposing teams players, coach or bench. This is pretty unprecedented behavior for a player to flip the bird at fans multiple times during a game and I can’t remember it happening before. There have been single outburst like Barkley spitting or bridges more recently throwing his mouthpiece into the stands after being ejected. But can’t really recall multiple outbursts from one player over the course of a game before. So far we know of at least three incidents from yesterdays games. Really unhinged behavior

But is it really "really unhinged behaviour"? 

This is much ado about nothing.

I don’t think it is going to kill anyone, but yes flipping off fans on two different occasions and then yelling suck my —— at fan in a third incident are signs of becoming unhinged. I’m confused why you think this is normal…

I think it's mildly distasteful. These dudes get all kinds of abuse hurled at them all the time. Getting fed up with that in a tense game isn't 'unhinged' behaviour, even if a large part of being a professional athlete is dealing with opposing fans. 

Once he starts eating paste we can discuss his mental health. In the meantime, unclutch those pearls, your hands will start to hurt.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

Almost as if when facts change, opinions should change - but not before.

If Bill Self winds up getting stung for pay for play three years from now it doesn't mean you were right about him because UNC choked away a game against Kansas.

Kyrie sucks, but you've been anti Kyrie since 2010.

I appreciate you acknowledging that - Kyrie is who he has always been. I can empathize with nearly everyone, no matter how crappy they may be, until they hurt the people around them.  and I knew he'd hurt Celtics fans.

Bill Self did pay players. I would venture to guess the majority of top 100 D1 programs do the same. But I'm not seeing the relevance.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

I remember, tarheels.

Those of us who were bothered by his behavior were characterized as always being negative and even anti-Celtic. No, we were being pro-Celtic because we saw Irving for the cancer that he is. I didn't like acquiring him from the start, but he really showed his true colors when he did not even bother to show up for Game 7 vs Cleveland in the 2018 ECF. Then, that nauseating commercial he did with his father playing 1-on-1 in the Boston Garden along with announcing that he wanted to sign long-term "if you'll have me."

You are right, Gouki, about his mental condition deteriorating even since then. But he did plenty during his time with Boston to demonstrate his complete self-centered persona. Danny should have seen it and unloaded the guy at the 2019 trade deadline.

Absolutely, we were pretty much alone as outcasts.

And the cognitive dissonance continues. Facts were entirely on our side - he quit on Cleveland WITH LeBron there to check his ego. We had a weak front office who worried about their inability to attract FAs and were destined to cater to his every whim.  And a young, inexperienced core who would undoubtedly fail to manage his locker room presence. The writing was on the wall from day one.  It still astounds me that so few saw it.

[celticsclay]

Btw, so Kyrie flips off the crowd multiple times in front of hundreds of cameras and he doesn't get T'd up at all? The refs really didn't notice while 18,000 fans and thousands of people watching on the TV did during the live game?

It’s fairly unusual and bizarre behavior (no he wasn’t doing this kind of stuff in Cleveland). So I don’t think the league has specific policies in place for this kind of thing. Maybe it has happened before, but I only have seen technicals for players taunting the opposing teams players, coach or bench. This is pretty unprecedented behavior for a player to flip the bird at fans multiple times during a game and I can’t remember it happening before. There have been single outburst like Barkley spitting or bridges more recently throwing his mouthpiece into the stands after being ejected. But can’t really recall multiple outbursts from one player over the course of a game before. So far we know of at least three incidents from yesterdays games. Really unhinged behavior

But is it really "really unhinged behaviour"? 

This is much ado about nothing.

I don’t think it is going to kill anyone, but yes flipping off fans on two different occasions and then yelling suck my —— at fan in a third incident are signs of becoming unhinged. I’m confused why you think this is normal…

I think it's mildly distasteful. These dudes get all kinds of abuse hurled at them all the time. Getting fed up with that in a tense game isn't 'unhinged' behaviour, even if a large part of being a professional athlete is dealing with opposing fans. 

Once he starts eating paste we can discuss his mental health. In the meantime, unclutch those pearls, your hands will start to hurt.

It’s not just these incidents wise guy… he has a history of unstable behavior the last two years including worrying his teammates and coach when he “went off the grid” and just stopped playing basketball. I’m not gonna make some silly response with you beyond saying just read a bit more about it and spend less time trying to come up with one liners.

[celticsclay]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

I remember, tarheels.

Those of us who were bothered by his behavior were characterized as always being negative and even anti-Celtic. No, we were being pro-Celtic because we saw Irving for the cancer that he is. I didn't like acquiring him from the start, but he really showed his true colors when he did not even bother to show up for Game 7 vs Cleveland in the 2018 ECF. Then, that nauseating commercial he did with his father playing 1-on-1 in the Boston Garden along with announcing that he wanted to sign long-term "if you'll have me."

You are right, Gouki, about his mental condition deteriorating even since then. But he did plenty during his time with Boston to demonstrate his complete self-centered persona. Danny should have seen it and unloaded the guy at the 2019 trade deadline.

Absolutely, we were pretty much alone as outcasts.

And the cognitive dissonance continues. Facts were entirely on our side - he quit on Cleveland WITH LeBron there to check his ego. We had a weak front office who worried about their inability to attract FAs and were destined to cater to his every whim.  And a young, inexperienced core who would undoubtedly fail to manage his locker room presence. The writing was on the wall from day one.  It still astounds me that so few saw it.

I will certainly acknowledge that my opinion has definitely got much worse of kyrie. And you can you were right realizing he was a jerk before people here did. I do think with the facts at the time there were a few reasons to give the benefit of the doubt. His only problem before us seemed to be Lebron. Drama has certainly followed Lebron every where he went (Riley controlled it the best, but there were still attempts to extra benefits for his personal entourage there). I mean just look at this last year with him. It was also reported that a lot of players didn’t want to play with him around this time: https://www.businessinsider.com/kevin-durant-nba-stars-playing-lebron-james-media-attention-style-2018-12?amp

All of kyries issues have gotten worse since he left Cleveland and he doesn’t deserve any benefit of the doubt any more.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

I remember, tarheels.

Those of us who were bothered by his behavior were characterized as always being negative and even anti-Celtic. No, we were being pro-Celtic because we saw Irving for the cancer that he is. I didn't like acquiring him from the start, but he really showed his true colors when he did not even bother to show up for Game 7 vs Cleveland in the 2018 ECF. Then, that nauseating commercial he did with his father playing 1-on-1 in the Boston Garden along with announcing that he wanted to sign long-term "if you'll have me."

You are right, Gouki, about his mental condition deteriorating even since then. But he did plenty during his time with Boston to demonstrate his complete self-centered persona. Danny should have seen it and unloaded the guy at the 2019 trade deadline.

Absolutely, we were pretty much alone as outcasts.

And the cognitive dissonance continues. Facts were entirely on our side - he quit on Cleveland WITH LeBron there to check his ego. We had a weak front office who worried about their inability to attract FAs and were destined to cater to his every whim.  And a young, inexperienced core who would undoubtedly fail to manage his locker room presence. The writing was on the wall from day one.  It still astounds me that so few saw it.

I will certainly acknowledge that my opinion has definitely got much worse of kyrie. And you can you were right realizing he was a jerk before people here did. I do think with the facts at the time there were a few reasons to give the benefit of the doubt. His only problem before us seemed to be Lebron. Drama has certainly followed Lebron every where he went (Riley controlled it the best, but there were still attempts to extra benefits for his personal entourage there). I mean just look at this last year with him. It was also reported that a lot of players didn’t want to play with him around this time: https://www.businessinsider.com/kevin-durant-nba-stars-playing-lebron-james-media-attention-style-2018-12?amp

All of kyries issues have gotten worse since he left Cleveland and he doesn’t deserve any benefit of the doubt any more.

I can't argue with a compliment    If I could go back in time, I'd have expressed my opinions differently, though - being contentious served no purpose in that scenario. I was just frustrated by what I thought was misguided optimism.

Kyrie certainly did say all the right things. That commercial with his father in Boston garden was really something.

[tenn_smoothie]

Kyrie did demonstrate problem behavior in Cleveland beyond Lebron James.
He clashed with the head coach, openly refused cooperation with him in the middle of practice and exhibited extreme disrespect. I read about those things when the Celts acquired him and was immediately turned off. Plus the fact that he wanted to leave the Cavs where he had won a title and was part of an annual contender so he could be "The Man" somewhere else. Huge red flags.

And yes, Clay, his mental/emotional issues have become worse over time. This phenomenon of progression is often true of human maladies, whether they be a medical disease of the body, problems with addiction or mental health conditions.

Kyrie's arrogance will be a huge impediment to him seeking help.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Lebron is such a blinding white light of controversy, that he overshadowed Kyrie.

Kept calling Kyrie his son or something like that I remember 

I don't think I'd like hanging out with any of these people.

[LilRip]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

I remember, tarheels.

Those of us who were bothered by his behavior were characterized as always being negative and even anti-Celtic. No, we were being pro-Celtic because we saw Irving for the cancer that he is. I didn't like acquiring him from the start, but he really showed his true colors when he did not even bother to show up for Game 7 vs Cleveland in the 2018 ECF. Then, that nauseating commercial he did with his father playing 1-on-1 in the Boston Garden along with announcing that he wanted to sign long-term "if you'll have me."

You are right, Gouki, about his mental condition deteriorating even since then. But he did plenty during his time with Boston to demonstrate his complete self-centered persona. Danny should have seen it and unloaded the guy at the 2019 trade deadline.

Absolutely, we were pretty much alone as outcasts.

And the cognitive dissonance continues. Facts were entirely on our side - he quit on Cleveland WITH LeBron there to check his ego. We had a weak front office who worried about their inability to attract FAs and were destined to cater to his every whim.  And a young, inexperienced core who would undoubtedly fail to manage his locker room presence. The writing was on the wall from day one.  It still astounds me that so few saw it.

I will certainly acknowledge that my opinion has definitely got much worse of kyrie. And you can you were right realizing he was a jerk before people here did. I do think with the facts at the time there were a few reasons to give the benefit of the doubt. His only problem before us seemed to be Lebron. Drama has certainly followed Lebron every where he went (Riley controlled it the best, but there were still attempts to extra benefits for his personal entourage there). I mean just look at this last year with him. It was also reported that a lot of players didn’t want to play with him around this time: https://www.businessinsider.com/kevin-durant-nba-stars-playing-lebron-james-media-attention-style-2018-12?amp

All of kyries issues have gotten worse since he left Cleveland and he doesn’t deserve any benefit of the doubt any more.

I can't argue with a compliment    If I could go back in time, I'd have expressed my opinions differently, though - being contentious served no purpose in that scenario. I was just frustrated by what I thought was misguided optimism.

Kyrie certainly did say all the right things. That commercial with his father in Boston garden was really something.

TP for calling your shot. Kyrie had me fooled at the time because of the things he said and the narrative built around him (a guy who wanted to escape Lebron’s toxic shadow).

[gouki88]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

I remember, tarheels.

Those of us who were bothered by his behavior were characterized as always being negative and even anti-Celtic. No, we were being pro-Celtic because we saw Irving for the cancer that he is. I didn't like acquiring him from the start, but he really showed his true colors when he did not even bother to show up for Game 7 vs Cleveland in the 2018 ECF. Then, that nauseating commercial he did with his father playing 1-on-1 in the Boston Garden along with announcing that he wanted to sign long-term "if you'll have me."

You are right, Gouki, about his mental condition deteriorating even since then. But he did plenty during his time with Boston to demonstrate his complete self-centered persona. Danny should have seen it and unloaded the guy at the 2019 trade deadline.

Absolutely, we were pretty much alone as outcasts.

And the cognitive dissonance continues. Facts were entirely on our side - he quit on Cleveland WITH LeBron there to check his ego. We had a weak front office who worried about their inability to attract FAs and were destined to cater to his every whim.  And a young, inexperienced core who would undoubtedly fail to manage his locker room presence. The writing was on the wall from day one.  It still astounds me that so few saw it.

I will certainly acknowledge that my opinion has definitely got much worse of kyrie. And you can you were right realizing he was a jerk before people here did. I do think with the facts at the time there were a few reasons to give the benefit of the doubt. His only problem before us seemed to be Lebron. Drama has certainly followed Lebron every where he went (Riley controlled it the best, but there were still attempts to extra benefits for his personal entourage there). I mean just look at this last year with him. It was also reported that a lot of players didn’t want to play with him around this time: https://www.businessinsider.com/kevin-durant-nba-stars-playing-lebron-james-media-attention-style-2018-12?amp

All of kyries issues have gotten worse since he left Cleveland and he doesn’t deserve any benefit of the doubt any more.

I can't argue with a compliment    If I could go back in time, I'd have expressed my opinions differently, though - being contentious served no purpose in that scenario. I was just frustrated by what I thought was misguided optimism.

Kyrie certainly did say all the right things. That commercial with his father in Boston garden was really something.

TP for calling your shot. Kyrie had me fooled at the time because of the things he said and the narrative built around him (a guy who wanted to escape Lebron’s toxic shadow).

That narrative still holds.

Kyrie wanted to escape LeBron's toxic shadow to cast his own equally toxic shadow.

[Kernewek]

Btw, so Kyrie flips off the crowd multiple times in front of hundreds of cameras and he doesn't get T'd up at all? The refs really didn't notice while 18,000 fans and thousands of people watching on the TV did during the live game?

It’s fairly unusual and bizarre behavior (no he wasn’t doing this kind of stuff in Cleveland). So I don’t think the league has specific policies in place for this kind of thing. Maybe it has happened before, but I only have seen technicals for players taunting the opposing teams players, coach or bench. This is pretty unprecedented behavior for a player to flip the bird at fans multiple times during a game and I can’t remember it happening before. There have been single outburst like Barkley spitting or bridges more recently throwing his mouthpiece into the stands after being ejected. But can’t really recall multiple outbursts from one player over the course of a game before. So far we know of at least three incidents from yesterdays games. Really unhinged behavior

But is it really "really unhinged behaviour"? 

This is much ado about nothing.

I don’t think it is going to kill anyone, but yes flipping off fans on two different occasions and then yelling suck my —— at fan in a third incident are signs of becoming unhinged. I’m confused why you think this is normal…

I think it's mildly distasteful. These dudes get all kinds of abuse hurled at them all the time. Getting fed up with that in a tense game isn't 'unhinged' behaviour, even if a large part of being a professional athlete is dealing with opposing fans. 

Once he starts eating paste we can discuss his mental health. In the meantime, unclutch those pearls, your hands will start to hurt.

It’s not just these incidents wise guy… he has a history of unstable behavior the last two years including worrying his teammates and coach when he “went off the grid” and just stopped playing basketball. I’m not gonna make some silly response with you beyond saying just read a bit more about it and spend less time trying to come up with one liners.

Again, it’s not unstable behaviour. It’s petulant. It’s pseudo-intellectual. It’s pestilential.

But the word you should embrace here is parsimony.

Which is more likely: that the fans got under Kyrie’s skin in a high stakes game, or that he’s “unhinged”?

Which is more likely: that Kyrie missed games & bailed on his job because he decided he was never going to get a covid shot or that he went “off the grid” because of mental health issues?

Which is more likely: that Kyrie has a misplaced belief in his own intelligence due to being coddled because of his prodigious talent, or that he’s suffering a break from reality in real time?

Are we really saying that fighting with a coach and leaving a team to get out of LeBron’s shadow are indicative of mental health problems? Or is that more indicative of the fact that Irving’s a garden variety narcissist?

[pokeKingCurtis]

Btw, so Kyrie flips off the crowd multiple times in front of hundreds of cameras and he doesn't get T'd up at all? The refs really didn't notice while 18,000 fans and thousands of people watching on the TV did during the live game?

It’s fairly unusual and bizarre behavior (no he wasn’t doing this kind of stuff in Cleveland). So I don’t think the league has specific policies in place for this kind of thing. Maybe it has happened before, but I only have seen technicals for players taunting the opposing teams players, coach or bench. This is pretty unprecedented behavior for a player to flip the bird at fans multiple times during a game and I can’t remember it happening before. There have been single outburst like Barkley spitting or bridges more recently throwing his mouthpiece into the stands after being ejected. But can’t really recall multiple outbursts from one player over the course of a game before. So far we know of at least three incidents from yesterdays games. Really unhinged behavior

But is it really "really unhinged behaviour"? 

This is much ado about nothing.

I don’t think it is going to kill anyone, but yes flipping off fans on two different occasions and then yelling suck my —— at fan in a third incident are signs of becoming unhinged. I’m confused why you think this is normal…

I think it's mildly distasteful. These dudes get all kinds of abuse hurled at them all the time. Getting fed up with that in a tense game isn't 'unhinged' behaviour, even if a large part of being a professional athlete is dealing with opposing fans. 

Once he starts eating paste we can discuss his mental health. In the meantime, unclutch those pearls, your hands will start to hurt.

It’s not just these incidents wise guy… he has a history of unstable behavior the last two years including worrying his teammates and coach when he “went off the grid” and just stopped playing basketball. I’m not gonna make some silly response with you beyond saying just read a bit more about it and spend less time trying to come up with one liners.

Again, it’s not unstable behaviour. It’s petulant. It’s pseudo-intellectual. It’s pestilential.

But the word you should embrace here is parsimony.

Which is more likely: that the fans got under Kyrie’s skin in a high stakes game, or that he’s “unhinged”?

Which is more likely: that Kyrie missed games & bailed on his job because he decided he was never going to get a covid shot or that he went “off the grid” because of mental health issues?

Which is more likely: that Kyrie has a misplaced belief in his own intelligence due to being coddled because of his prodigious talent, or that he’s suffering a break from reality in real time?

Are we really saying that fighting with a coach and leaving a team to get out of LeBron’s shadow are indicative of mental health problems? Or is that more indicative of the fact that Irving’s a garden variety narcissist?

Would him acting out these narcissistic tendencies be a sign of some deeper issue, or is it just the media coverage that allows him to be the way he is.

I know of a few naricists, in my family in fact. They just do it behind closed doors.

[Kernewek]

Would him acting out these narcissistic tendencies be a sign of some deeper issue, or is it just the media coverage that allows him to be the way he is.

I know of a few naricists, in my family in fact. They just do it behind closed doors.

Yeah I'm not sure - and also I'm not sure if it isn't six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.  I just don't think it's as cut and dried as some other posters.