Cryie wants Cs fans to forgive and forget….good luck with that!

[SHAQATTACK]

Cheerleaders should get face mats of Irving’s face printed on 3’ x3’ paper and lead a cheer jumping up and down on his noggin …….and let the whole TV audience see it

[Moranis]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

Almost as if when facts change, opinions should change - but not before.

If Bill Self winds up getting stung for pay for play three years from now it doesn't mean you were right about him because UNC choked away a game against Kansas.

Kyrie sucks, but you've been anti Kyrie since 2010.

While this is certainly true, I personally feel that there were seeds of weirdness there that I was happy to overlook because I wanted him to succeed.

He's definitely a lot weirder now

Not really.  He was just as weird in Cleveland as he is now.

Nah he wasn’t openly an anti vaxxer then, sitting out games to go to town halls. Wasn’t even a vegan then or spouting a lot of the stuff then. And you know this. Dishonest post.

the vaccine stuff wasn't an issue so no one asked him, but the personality is exactly the same.  This is guy who said the earth was flat, who got upset his team acquired someone better than him, who refused to talk to teammates during the playoffs, etc.  Irving is exactly who has always been.  It is a big part of the reason I never wanted to acquire him and I got killed for it, especially by you, claiming things like I didn't like him because he jilted Cleveland. No, I didn't like him because he has always been a weirdo and an a hole, which I knew because I saw him for a bunch of years in Cleveland. In addition to him refusing to play defense and missing 25% of the games due to injury.  Irving is exactly the same person he has always been i.e. an eccentric weirdo a hole.

The pandemic has definitely pushed him to the fringe man

ah yes because flat earthers weren't always on the fringe

[Kernewek]

I don’t want to speculate on his mental health -I’d bet most of us wouldn’t do great under immense media scrutiny either, regardless of the pay - but I do want to point out, as one of the resident rabbit food people, that afaik Kyrie isn’t vegan, or at least he’s cool with Nike making leather shoes in his name, which is… well perfectly Kyrie 

[mobilija]

Game 2 fans should flip the script, get all Kumbaya with him. Chant "Kyrie is loved" and other gestures of peace and love. That will make him think more and get in his head more.

[Surferdad]

Cheerleaders should get face mats of Irving’s face printed on 3’ x3’ paper and lead a cheer jumping up and down on his noggin …….and let the whole TV audience see it

Not just cheerleaders, EVERYBODY. A sea of Kyrie faces for the national TV audience, that would be a sight to behold!

[celticsclay]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

Almost as if when facts change, opinions should change - but not before.

If Bill Self winds up getting stung for pay for play three years from now it doesn't mean you were right about him because UNC choked away a game against Kansas.

Kyrie sucks, but you've been anti Kyrie since 2010.

While this is certainly true, I personally feel that there were seeds of weirdness there that I was happy to overlook because I wanted him to succeed.

He's definitely a lot weirder now

Not really.  He was just as weird in Cleveland as he is now.

Nah he wasn’t openly an anti vaxxer then, sitting out games to go to town halls. Wasn’t even a vegan then or spouting a lot of the stuff then. And you know this. Dishonest post.

the vaccine stuff wasn't an issue so no one asked him, but the personality is exactly the same.  This is guy who said the earth was flat, who got upset his team acquired someone better than him, who refused to talk to teammates during the playoffs, etc.  Irving is exactly who has always been.  It is a big part of the reason I never wanted to acquire him and I got killed for it, especially by you, claiming things like I didn't like him because he jilted Cleveland. No, I didn't like him because he has always been a weirdo and an a hole, which I knew because I saw him for a bunch of years in Cleveland. In addition to him refusing to play defense and missing 25% of the games due to injury.  Irving is exactly the same person he has always been i.e. an eccentric weirdo a hole.

The pandemic has definitely pushed him to the fringe man

ah yes because flat earthers weren't always on the fringe

Mo, if you want to say you thought he was a jerk at the time we got him, and you turned out to be right. That is a defensible and plausible point. Acting like he was this unhinged in Cleveland and hasn't changed at all is objectively false and a weird thing to argue. He was not routinely flipping off fans, yelling suck my  at people. He wasn't skipping games for personal reasons and going to town halls for new york state legislators. Saying the world was flat, which he later said was a joke, is not the same as refusing to get vaccinating, going maskless to a birthday party during the peak of a pandemic, he wasn't going off the grid to the point his coaches and teammates didn't know where he was or if he was ok. He wasn't creating weird vibes for his team in the locker room by burning sage. So yes, saying he has always been this way and ignoring these developments is objectively dishonest just like I said.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/kyrie-irving-appears-on-zoom-meeting-while-nets-play-the-nuggets
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/kyrie-irving-is-reportedly-off-the-grid-after-announcing-he-wouldnt-play-for-nets
https://hoopshype.com/2022/04/18/kyrie-irving-facing-50000-fine/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/sports/basketball/nba-kyrie-irving-nets-video.html
https://wwhttps://nypost.com/2022/04/18/shaq-charles-barkley-rip-kyrie-irving-for-middle-finger-drama/w.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/sports/basketball/nba-kyrie-irving-nets-video.html
https://www.nba.com/news/kyrie-irving-fined-25000-by-nba-for-obscene-language-toward-fan
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2021/05/30/kyrie-irving-calls-out-underlying-racism-human-zoo-environment-after-boston-fan-throws-water-bottle-gets-arrested/
https://www.opencourt-basketball.com/kyrie-irvings-sage-burning-ritual-reportedly-produced-weird-vibe-between-him-and-james-harden/

This is just a sampling of the many issues with fans, players, the NBA. In addition, he did not become a super social justice activist until the Orlando bubble, which has become a very big part of his persona also (not all of it bad). This is very obvious the frequency, tenor and intensity of his outburts and issues have rapidly escalated the last few years. Its very foolish to try and argue otherwise.

[Phantom255x]

Best case scenario would be, C's go up 3-1 in the series, come home in Game 5, get a big lead in the 2nd half and then serenade Cryrie with chants 

[Ed Monix]

Kyrie Irving 2 days ago:
“I hope we could move past my Boston era and reflect on some of the highlights I left at TD Garden that they can replay.”


Kyrie Irving today:

I think something that was overlooked, even by the journalists, was that this clown is meant to be a ‘hero’ to kids.

His Nike shoes are insanely popular, but mostly for kids.

He had his own movie…for kids.

He had his own cartoon…(obviously) for kids.

He had his own breakfast cereal…for kids.

When he was swearing and giving the finger all night to the crowd, he was doing it all in front of impressionable kids that would either feel hurt or will copy their hero.

[RMO]

Best case scenario would be, C's go up 3-1 in the series, come home in Game 5, get a big lead in the 2nd half and then serenade Cryrie with chants 

My only concern with this is that for all his faults (and for the record I can't stand him), he seems to be pretty popular amongst his peers.  He and Tatum seem pretty close (the Duke connection) and I get the impression Smart likes him as well.  I just hope it doesn't come back to bite the team down the road with signing or keeping free agents.

[Atzar]

Kyrie Irving 2 days ago:
“I hope we could move past my Boston era and reflect on some of the highlights I left at TD Garden that they can replay.”


Kyrie Irving today:

I think something that was overlooked, even by the journalists, was that this clown is meant to be a ‘hero’ to kids.

His Nike shoes are insanely popular, but mostly for kids.

He had his own movie…for kids.

He had his own cartoon…(obviously) for kids.

He had his own breakfast cereal…for kids.

When he was swearing and giving the finger all night to the crowd, he was doing it all in front of impressionable kids that would either feel hurt or will copy their hero.

They won't feel hurt, lol.  Kids think swearing and middle fingers are the funniest thing in the world.  Kyrie flipping off fans won't change that in the least.

I don't think it's a big deal.  Kyrie will get fined over his antics, and I'm happy about that, but I admit that my satisfaction is purely out of dislike for the man rather than any moral objection.

[Moranis]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

Almost as if when facts change, opinions should change - but not before.

If Bill Self winds up getting stung for pay for play three years from now it doesn't mean you were right about him because UNC choked away a game against Kansas.

Kyrie sucks, but you've been anti Kyrie since 2010.

While this is certainly true, I personally feel that there were seeds of weirdness there that I was happy to overlook because I wanted him to succeed.

He's definitely a lot weirder now

Not really.  He was just as weird in Cleveland as he is now.

Nah he wasn’t openly an anti vaxxer then, sitting out games to go to town halls. Wasn’t even a vegan then or spouting a lot of the stuff then. And you know this. Dishonest post.

the vaccine stuff wasn't an issue so no one asked him, but the personality is exactly the same.  This is guy who said the earth was flat, who got upset his team acquired someone better than him, who refused to talk to teammates during the playoffs, etc.  Irving is exactly who has always been.  It is a big part of the reason I never wanted to acquire him and I got killed for it, especially by you, claiming things like I didn't like him because he jilted Cleveland. No, I didn't like him because he has always been a weirdo and an a hole, which I knew because I saw him for a bunch of years in Cleveland. In addition to him refusing to play defense and missing 25% of the games due to injury.  Irving is exactly the same person he has always been i.e. an eccentric weirdo a hole.

The pandemic has definitely pushed him to the fringe man

ah yes because flat earthers weren't always on the fringe

Mo, if you want to say you thought he was a jerk at the time we got him, and you turned out to be right. That is a defensible and plausible point. Acting like he was this unhinged in Cleveland and hasn't changed at all is objectively false and a weird thing to argue. He was not routinely flipping off fans, yelling suck my  at people. He wasn't skipping games for personal reasons and going to town halls for new york state legislators. Saying the world was flat, which he later said was a joke, is not the same as refusing to get vaccinating, going maskless to a birthday party during the peak of a pandemic, he wasn't going off the grid to the point his coaches and teammates didn't know where he was or if he was ok. He wasn't creating weird vibes for his team in the locker room by burning sage. So yes, saying he has always been this way and ignoring these developments is objectively dishonest just like I said.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/kyrie-irving-appears-on-zoom-meeting-while-nets-play-the-nuggets
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/kyrie-irving-is-reportedly-off-the-grid-after-announcing-he-wouldnt-play-for-nets
https://hoopshype.com/2022/04/18/kyrie-irving-facing-50000-fine/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/sports/basketball/nba-kyrie-irving-nets-video.html
https://wwhttps://nypost.com/2022/04/18/shaq-charles-barkley-rip-kyrie-irving-for-middle-finger-drama/w.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/sports/basketball/nba-kyrie-irving-nets-video.html
https://www.nba.com/news/kyrie-irving-fined-25000-by-nba-for-obscene-language-toward-fan
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2021/05/30/kyrie-irving-calls-out-underlying-racism-human-zoo-environment-after-boston-fan-throws-water-bottle-gets-arrested/
https://www.opencourt-basketball.com/kyrie-irvings-sage-burning-ritual-reportedly-produced-weird-vibe-between-him-and-james-harden/

This is just a sampling of the many issues with fans, players, the NBA. In addition, he did not become a super social justice activist until the Orlando bubble, which has become a very big part of his persona also (not all of it bad). This is very obvious the frequency, tenor and intensity of his outburts and issues have rapidly escalated the last few years. Its very foolish to try and argue otherwise.

There are certainly more stories out now (as there are with everyone), but those are entirely within the parameters Irving has always displayed.  I mean this is a guy that went DAYS without talking to his teammates in the middle of the playoffs in Cleveland.  DAYS without saying a word in the middle of a playoff run.  It was his last year there, but it was between Indiana and the Toronto series he literally showed up at practice and didn't say a word.  The entire time.  He was so disengaged from the team that he didn't speak.  And this report was out there before Boston traded for him.  That is the type of guy Irving has always been.  These reports all absolutely fit the personality of a guy whose ego is so big he couldn't be 2nd fiddle, got his own franchise, and the minute he felt a younger better player coming up behind him, torpedoed that run so he could go "home" to hang out with his friends (and while Durant is better than him, Durant doesn't exactly act like an alpha).  A guy that believes the earth is flat.  A guy who every time you hear him speak going back to college you never knew what he was going to say.  Kyrie Irving is exactly the type of guy that would be anti-vaxxer and flip off the fans because they spoke to him in a harsh manner.  And then will sit there and wonder what he did or said to "deserve" such ire.  Irving is exactly the same person he has always been.  There is nothing about his statements or reactions in Brooklyn that should surprise anyone, especially fans that lived through 2 years of his nonsense.  I don't believe for a second Irving is unhinged unless he has always been unhinged (and I don't believe that).  I just think this is a pampered entitled rich kid that is so skilled with a ball in his hand that he just became this uber eccentric weirdo, which made him a gigantic a hole.  That is Irving and that is who Irving has always been.

[celticsclay]

Kyrie Irving 2 days ago:
“I hope we could move past my Boston era and reflect on some of the highlights I left at TD Garden that they can replay.”


Kyrie Irving today:

I think something that was overlooked, even by the journalists, was that this clown is meant to be a ‘hero’ to kids.

His Nike shoes are insanely popular, but mostly for kids.

He had his own movie…for kids.

He had his own cartoon…(obviously) for kids.

He had his own breakfast cereal…for kids.

When he was swearing and giving the finger all night to the crowd, he was doing it all in front of impressionable kids that would either feel hurt or will copy their hero.

They won't feel hurt, lol.  Kids think swearing and middle fingers are the funniest thing in the world.  Kyrie flipping off fans won't change that in the least.

I don't think it's a big deal.  Kyrie will get fined over his antics, and I'm happy about that, but I admit that my satisfaction is purely out of dislike for the man rather than any moral objection.

Well in addition to the flipping off fans, Irving also said a bunch of things about he stared down people that yelled at him and most of them weren't about actually doing something. Or something very similar, basically saying he was prepared to fight fans. That is probably not good for the league to have players talking about seeing if fans want to fight them. In addition, he keeps talking about where he grew up like it was a really rough area, and from what I understand he grew up in the suburbs in a pretty safe area. As I pointed out in my post above, this follows a series of incidents the last few years that are happening more and more frequently. (It is not even just Boston, he was yelling obscenities at Cleveland fans recently). I do think the league and the Nets are going to tell him he can't continue operating like this and making vague threats he will fight fans.

[celticsclay]

I was all but run off this platform for harshly criticizing Kyrie about 1.5 years before the masses.

Glad to see the Celtics community nearly unanimously now acknowledges Kyrie for the arrogant, petulant, and selfish clown that he is.

Almost as if when facts change, opinions should change - but not before.

If Bill Self winds up getting stung for pay for play three years from now it doesn't mean you were right about him because UNC choked away a game against Kansas.

Kyrie sucks, but you've been anti Kyrie since 2010.

While this is certainly true, I personally feel that there were seeds of weirdness there that I was happy to overlook because I wanted him to succeed.

He's definitely a lot weirder now

Not really.  He was just as weird in Cleveland as he is now.

Nah he wasn’t openly an anti vaxxer then, sitting out games to go to town halls. Wasn’t even a vegan then or spouting a lot of the stuff then. And you know this. Dishonest post.

the vaccine stuff wasn't an issue so no one asked him, but the personality is exactly the same.  This is guy who said the earth was flat, who got upset his team acquired someone better than him, who refused to talk to teammates during the playoffs, etc.  Irving is exactly who has always been.  It is a big part of the reason I never wanted to acquire him and I got killed for it, especially by you, claiming things like I didn't like him because he jilted Cleveland. No, I didn't like him because he has always been a weirdo and an a hole, which I knew because I saw him for a bunch of years in Cleveland. In addition to him refusing to play defense and missing 25% of the games due to injury.  Irving is exactly the same person he has always been i.e. an eccentric weirdo a hole.

The pandemic has definitely pushed him to the fringe man

ah yes because flat earthers weren't always on the fringe

Mo, if you want to say you thought he was a jerk at the time we got him, and you turned out to be right. That is a defensible and plausible point. Acting like he was this unhinged in Cleveland and hasn't changed at all is objectively false and a weird thing to argue. He was not routinely flipping off fans, yelling suck my  at people. He wasn't skipping games for personal reasons and going to town halls for new york state legislators. Saying the world was flat, which he later said was a joke, is not the same as refusing to get vaccinating, going maskless to a birthday party during the peak of a pandemic, he wasn't going off the grid to the point his coaches and teammates didn't know where he was or if he was ok. He wasn't creating weird vibes for his team in the locker room by burning sage. So yes, saying he has always been this way and ignoring these developments is objectively dishonest just like I said.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/kyrie-irving-appears-on-zoom-meeting-while-nets-play-the-nuggets
https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/kyrie-irving-is-reportedly-off-the-grid-after-announcing-he-wouldnt-play-for-nets
https://hoopshype.com/2022/04/18/kyrie-irving-facing-50000-fine/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/sports/basketball/nba-kyrie-irving-nets-video.html
https://wwhttps://nypost.com/2022/04/18/shaq-charles-barkley-rip-kyrie-irving-for-middle-finger-drama/w.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/sports/basketball/nba-kyrie-irving-nets-video.html
https://www.nba.com/news/kyrie-irving-fined-25000-by-nba-for-obscene-language-toward-fan
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2021/05/30/kyrie-irving-calls-out-underlying-racism-human-zoo-environment-after-boston-fan-throws-water-bottle-gets-arrested/
https://www.opencourt-basketball.com/kyrie-irvings-sage-burning-ritual-reportedly-produced-weird-vibe-between-him-and-james-harden/

This is just a sampling of the many issues with fans, players, the NBA. In addition, he did not become a super social justice activist until the Orlando bubble, which has become a very big part of his persona also (not all of it bad). This is very obvious the frequency, tenor and intensity of his outburts and issues have rapidly escalated the last few years. Its very foolish to try and argue otherwise.

There are certainly more stories out now (as there are with everyone), but those are entirely within the parameters Irving has always displayed.  I mean this is a guy that went DAYS without talking to his teammates in the middle of the playoffs in Cleveland.  DAYS without saying a word in the middle of a playoff run.  It was his last year there, but it was between Indiana and the Toronto series he literally showed up at practice and didn't say a word.  The entire time.  He was so disengaged from the team that he didn't speak.  And this report was out there before Boston traded for him.  That is the type of guy Irving has always been.  These reports all absolutely fit the personality of a guy whose ego is so big he couldn't be 2nd fiddle, got his own franchise, and the minute he felt a younger better player coming up behind him, torpedoed that run so he could go "home" to hang out with his friends (and while Durant is better than him, Durant doesn't exactly act like an alpha).  A guy that believes the earth is flat.  A guy who every time you hear him speak going back to college you never knew what he was going to say.  Kyrie Irving is exactly the type of guy that would be anti-vaxxer and flip off the fans because they spoke to him in a harsh manner.  And then will sit there and wonder what he did or said to "deserve" such ire.  Irving is exactly the same person he has always been.  There is nothing about his statements or reactions in Brooklyn that should surprise anyone, especially fans that lived through 2 years of his nonsense.  I don't believe for a second Irving is unhinged unless he has always been unhinged (and I don't believe that).  I just think this is a pampered entitled rich kid that is so skilled with a ball in his hand that he just became this uber eccentric weirdo, which made him a gigantic a hole.  That is Irving and that is who Irving has always been.

Not talking to your teammates during a practice is not great. But is not comparable to literally not playing in a game and then going on a zoom call during it. And yes you could say he was eccentric than, and still is now, but that doesn't change it. And just chalking this up to "more media coverage" is a frankly an embarrassing rebuttal. You act like when he was in Cleveland it was 1993 and there weren't smart phones or social media. Absolute nonsense. Ray Charles could see the frequency, tenor and intensity of his interactions with fans, the media and teammates has dramatically increased since his time in Cleveland. I mean what a ludicrous thing to argue with.

[Phantom255x]

Btw, so Kyrie flips off the crowd multiple times in front of hundreds of cameras and he doesn't get T'd up at all? The refs really didn't notice while 18,000 fans and thousands of people watching on the TV did during the live game?

[celticsclay]

Btw, so Kyrie flips off the crowd multiple times in front of hundreds of cameras and he doesn't get T'd up at all? The refs really didn't notice while 18,000 fans and thousands of people watching on the TV did during the live game?

It’s fairly unusual and bizarre behavior (no he wasn’t doing this kind of stuff in Cleveland). So I don’t think the league has specific policies in place for this kind of thing. Maybe it has happened before, but I only have seen technicals for players taunting the opposing teams players, coach or bench. This is pretty unprecedented behavior for a player to flip the bird at fans multiple times during a game and I can’t remember it happening before. There have been single outburst like Barkley spitting or bridges more recently throwing his mouthpiece into the stands after being ejected. But can’t really recall multiple outbursts from one player over the course of a game before. So far we know of at least three incidents from yesterdays games. Really unhinged behavior