Timelord (Woj: To play limited minutes in Game 3)

[Goldstar88]

This makes me feel somewhat hopeful...

PHILADELPHIA -- The last time we saw Philadelphia 76ers All-Star center Joel Embiid on a basketball court, he was playing through a right meniscus tear that he suffered in the first round of the playoffs against the Washington Wizards. Embiid missed a game as a result of the injury, but returned for Philadelphia's second-round matchup against the Atlanta Hawks, playing in all seven games of the series.

The knee didn't seem to bother Embiid too much against Atlanta as he averaged 30.4 points and 12.7 rebounds in 37.4 minutes per performance over the series. However, there was some speculation about whether or not Embiid would need to undergo surgery after the season. Such a surgery never occurred as Embiid instead opted for a natural healing process. We didn't hear much from Embiid over the offseason, but at Philadelphia's Media Day on Monday, the big man provided a promising update on his knee.

"It's been fine," Embiid said of his knee. "I've just been working out all summer. It's been fine, no problems. I'm getting back to where I was and I feel pretty good."-Old Article from CBS

In 2017 when Embiid had a meniscus tear, they initially said he was day-to-day and wouldn't need surgery.  He ended up getting surgery and missing the rest of the 2017 season. 

https://billypenn.com/2017/03/23/joel-embiids-injury-and-all-the-different-things-the-sixers-said-about-it-a-timeline/

The article above was from September 27, 2021. Hopefully TL lucks out and it Can heal on its own.

[Hoopvortex]

https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1508493460826988554

Official diagnosis is “torn lateral meniscus in his left knee”, with official timetable for recovery expected later this week. That’s the better of the meniscus injuries, correct? Hopefully that means a shorter recovery time/no surgery.

Yeah that's promising. It depends on the size/extent of the tear, but the lateral part heals faster/better because of more blood flow. I saw some source stated 4-6 weeks.

Not the lateral part, and also not the lateral meniscus. It’s the outer part of either meniscus - outer, like the rind of a fruit.

The recovery time and the tissue’s ability to heal itself depends on the type of tear, as well as the extent and location of it.

[Celtics2021]

The success of this team with Time Lord out may depend on how Grant handles an expanded role. I suspect he starts the remainder of the season. If he can give the safe effort and production for 33mpg that he has been for 23mpg the Cs should keep rolling. The dynamic of the team changes but Grant is the type of player who can thrive in playoff basketball (Jae Crowder, PJ Tucker). Theis should also be fresh and rested for the playoff push.

My one fear is that Kornet cant really be counted on to defend vs small teams or Embiid making him a wasted roster spot in the playoffs. A bigger defensive 5 would be a nice luxury in case the Cs meet the 76ers in the playoffs. I wonder if Marc Gasol has any interest in returning to the NBA?

Honestly I think it depends more on if Theis is given a bigger role.  He's not Rob, but he's the closest facsimile to Rob's skillset on the roster.  In his more limited time since he's joined the team, the Celtics have performed much better with him on the court than Grant.

Putting Grant with the starters instead of Rob means that that entire unit has to change the way it plays.  There isn't a dunker for Smart, Brown, and Tatum to dump too when they drive.  There isn't a shotblocking menace who can come off from guarding a perimeter player to threaten as a help defender.  There isn't someone who keeps possessions alive on the boards.

Theis does all of those things.  None of them quite as well as Rob, but he does them.  And he can hit an open 3 to keep defenses honest as well.  Grant can't do any of that, and so the whole lineup changes how it plays.  Grant instead of Rob is 35 points worse per 100 possessions.  The hit with Theis would not be nearly as much.   I hope Theis has earned enough of Udoka's trust to get the first crack with the starters the next time they all play.

[gift]

The success of this team with Time Lord out may depend on how Grant handles an expanded role. I suspect he starts the remainder of the season. If he can give the safe effort and production for 33mpg that he has been for 23mpg the Cs should keep rolling. The dynamic of the team changes but Grant is the type of player who can thrive in playoff basketball (Jae Crowder, PJ Tucker). Theis should also be fresh and rested for the playoff push.

My one fear is that Kornet cant really be counted on to defend vs small teams or Embiid making him a wasted roster spot in the playoffs. A bigger defensive 5 would be a nice luxury in case the Cs meet the 76ers in the playoffs. I wonder if Marc Gasol has any interest in returning to the NBA?

Honestly I think it depends more on if Theis is given a bigger role.  He's not Rob, but he's the closest facsimile to Rob's skillset on the roster.  In his more limited time since he's joined the team, the Celtics have performed much better with him on the court than Grant.

Putting Grant with the starters instead of Rob means that that entire unit has to change the way it plays.  There isn't a dunker for Smart, Brown, and Tatum to dump too when they drive.  There isn't a shotblocking menace who can come off from guarding a perimeter player to threaten as a help defender.  There isn't someone who keeps possessions alive on the boards.

Theis does all of those things.  None of them quite as well as Rob, but he does them.  And he can hit an open 3 to keep defenses honest as well.  Grant can't do any of that, and so the whole lineup changes how it plays.  Grant instead of Rob is 35 points worse per 100 possessions.  The hit with Theis would not be nearly as much.   I hope Theis has earned enough of Udoka's trust to get the first crack with the starters the next time they all play.

Yeah, I think we can get by without Rob (thank Brad for the Theis move) for a while. But really probably need him for later in the playoffs. Hopefully he recovers quickly but takes a slow return to allow for some rest and hits his stride when the opposition is toughest.

[sgrogan]

Tough break for the Celtics but I don't think that changes that we are still a title contender.  Not as much as before the injury, RWill is a good player, and impactful player, but we do have others (Theis and GWill) who will need to step up.

Incidentally, I was curious to see the 2-man results for various combinations of our bigs, essentially with Theis in for RWill: (these are normalized per 100 possessions):

Horford/RWill       +13.6     51 games
Horford/Theis       +33.0       7 games

GWill/RWill            +4.7     56 games
Theis/GWill         +13.2      13 games

The sample size with Theis is admittedly small but Theis is better than both Horford and GWill than RWill was with either.  Again, small sample size and context but if you look only at the last 10 games:

Horford/RWill       +21.5
Horford/Theis       +32.9

GWill/RWill          +20.6
Theis/GWill         +14.9

Theis still pairs roughly as well with GWill and Horford as RWill does.  Theis should also be getting better still, at least a little.  Incidentally, Horford and GWill over the last 10 games are only +5.2, the worst combination.

We can overcome this.  According to these numbers, Horford and Theis should play the most, Theis and GWill the next most, and Horford and GWill the least.

Theis' ability to avoid foul trouble will probably flip this. Plus Theis needs to play when Al doesn't.

I don't think that is true.  Horford and Theis have played 44 total minutes in 7 games for a plus/minus of +29.  They are actually very good together.  That is why it is so critical that Theis stays out of foul trouble.  All combinations of Horford, Theis, and GWill are going to need to be used.  It will be like before we got Theis back but it will be Theis instead of RWill.

I am not worried about them playing together. I am worried when neither is on the court.
I don't think, even in the playoffs, Al is good for more than 32-34 mpg, Best case Grant plays the same. In a perfect world that means Theis needs to play needs to play 30 mpg. I just don't see this. Otherwise its Tatum at the 4 and more minutes for White/Pritchard.

If Kornet can play at all, "cheat" 3-5 minutes/half around the quarter break maybe I'll feel better. But if those 6-10 mpg are with Grant playing smallball 5, I'm worried.

[liam]

Tough break for the Celtics but I don't think that changes that we are still a title contender.  Not as much as before the injury, RWill is a good player, and impactful player, but we do have others (Theis and GWill) who will need to step up.

Incidentally, I was curious to see the 2-man results for various combinations of our bigs, essentially with Theis in for RWill: (these are normalized per 100 possessions):

Horford/RWill       +13.6     51 games
Horford/Theis       +33.0       7 games

GWill/RWill            +4.7     56 games
Theis/GWill         +13.2      13 games

The sample size with Theis is admittedly small but Theis is better than both Horford and GWill than RWill was with either.  Again, small sample size and context but if you look only at the last 10 games:

Horford/RWill       +21.5
Horford/Theis       +32.9

GWill/RWill          +20.6
Theis/GWill         +14.9

Theis still pairs roughly as well with GWill and Horford as RWill does.  Theis should also be getting better still, at least a little.  Incidentally, Horford and GWill over the last 10 games are only +5.2, the worst combination.

We can overcome this.  According to these numbers, Horford and Theis should play the most, Theis and GWill the next most, and Horford and GWill the least.

Theis' ability to avoid foul trouble will probably flip this. Plus Theis needs to play when Al doesn't.

I don't think that is true.  Horford and Theis have played 44 total minutes in 7 games for a plus/minus of +29.  They are actually very good together.  That is why it is so critical that Theis stays out of foul trouble.  All combinations of Horford, Theis, and GWill are going to need to be used.  It will be like before we got Theis back but it will be Theis instead of RWill.

I am not worried about them playing together. I am worried when neither is on the court.
I don't think, even in the playoffs, Al is good for more than 32-34 mpg, Best case Grant plays the same. In a perfect world that means Theis needs to play needs to play 30 mpg. I just don't see this. Otherwise its Tatum at the 4 and more minutes for White/Pritchard.

If Kornet can play at all, "cheat" 3-5 minutes/half around the quarter break maybe I'll feel better. But if those 6-10 mpg are with Grant playing smallball 5, I'm worried.

Kornet should be able to play 10 minutes a game. He's a different look. He's a low-level role player but a few minutes here and there to end the season should be fine. The rotation in the playoffs will be very short. Juwan Morgan was signed and can play a small-ball center like Grant, in a break glass emergency. If TIMELORD gets back for the playoffs I'll be thrilled but we have to play next man up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7RGfw-9IQc

[Vermont Green]

Tough break for the Celtics but I don't think that changes that we are still a title contender.  Not as much as before the injury, RWill is a good player, and impactful player, but we do have others (Theis and GWill) who will need to step up.

Incidentally, I was curious to see the 2-man results for various combinations of our bigs, essentially with Theis in for RWill: (these are normalized per 100 possessions):

Horford/RWill       +13.6     51 games
Horford/Theis       +33.0       7 games

GWill/RWill            +4.7     56 games
Theis/GWill         +13.2      13 games

The sample size with Theis is admittedly small but Theis is better than both Horford and GWill than RWill was with either.  Again, small sample size and context but if you look only at the last 10 games:

Horford/RWill       +21.5
Horford/Theis       +32.9

GWill/RWill          +20.6
Theis/GWill         +14.9

Theis still pairs roughly as well with GWill and Horford as RWill does.  Theis should also be getting better still, at least a little.  Incidentally, Horford and GWill over the last 10 games are only +5.2, the worst combination.

We can overcome this.  According to these numbers, Horford and Theis should play the most, Theis and GWill the next most, and Horford and GWill the least.

Theis' ability to avoid foul trouble will probably flip this. Plus Theis needs to play when Al doesn't.

I don't think that is true.  Horford and Theis have played 44 total minutes in 7 games for a plus/minus of +29.  They are actually very good together.  That is why it is so critical that Theis stays out of foul trouble.  All combinations of Horford, Theis, and GWill are going to need to be used.  It will be like before we got Theis back but it will be Theis instead of RWill.

I am not worried about them playing together. I am worried when neither is on the court.
I don't think, even in the playoffs, Al is good for more than 32-34 mpg, Best case Grant plays the same. In a perfect world that means Theis needs to play needs to play 30 mpg. I just don't see this. Otherwise its Tatum at the 4 and more minutes for White/Pritchard.

If Kornet can play at all, "cheat" 3-5 minutes/half around the quarter break maybe I'll feel better. But if those 6-10 mpg are with Grant playing smallball 5, I'm worried.

I think we are saying the same thing.  Before Theis, we had a 3 man big rotation of Horford (30 min), RWill (30 min), and GWill (24 min), roughly.  Now we have to replace RWill's 30 min per game.  Theis will likely get 24 min, maybe GWill bumps up to 32 min and maybe Horford at 32 min also.  That would be 88 of the 96 minutes needed.

But to do that means all combinations will get some playing time, including some time for Theis and Horford.  That is how we played it last night.  It was Horford who was missing not RWill but then RWill got hurt and there was foul trouble, but up to that point, there was always two of RWill, GWill, and Theis on the court.  Moving forward, I expect the same but it will be combinations of Horford, Theis, and GWill.

On the season:

Horford/RWill:        761 min
Horford/GWill         729 min
GWill/RWill             593 min

I think you will see about the same proportions except GWill gets RWill's minutes and Theis gets GWill's minutes, or something like that.

As I posted earlier though, the best combination statistically is Horford + Theis.  If it were me, I would start Theis and keep GWill in the same role he has thrived in all season.  It doesn't change all that much, just gives Theis more minutes with the starters who I feel he will complement better that GWill does.

[colincb]

A portion of the ESPN+ story:

Williams' course of treatment is key

The lingering question is just how long Williams will be sidelined, which depends on the method of treatment he and the team's medical staff choose. Depending on the size of the meniscus tear, there are a handful of possible options, including attempting to treat the injury with rest and play through it -- something Joel Embiid of the Philadelphia 76ers did during last year's playoffs.

A more severe tear would require surgery and still leave multiple options. If a repair is possible, it gives Williams the better chance to avoid long-term consequences from the meniscus injury but would assuredly prevent him from playing again this season. By contrast, removing the affected area of the meniscus would potentially get Williams back within four to six weeks, allowing him to rejoin the team if the Celtics advance in the playoffs.

One counterintuitive consequence of a short-term Williams absence would be making a top-two seed in the East less desirable. That would mean a potential first-round matchup against the dangerous Brooklyn Nets, who now have Kyrie Irving available for home games. Because the Nets will surely be in the play-in tournament, both the first and second seeds could potentially face them in the opening round, meaning dropping to third is the only way to guarantee avoiding Brooklyn.

At full strength, Boston likely wouldn't be afraid of facing the Nets. The Celtics beat Brooklyn at home on March 6 with Irving and Kevin Durant both in the Nets' lineup. With Williams sidelined, Boston would surely want to put off a showdown against Brooklyn as long as possible. That could take care of itself naturally if the Celtics aren't as effective down the stretch.

For now, Boston will have to hope Williams' injury lends itself to a course of treatment that allows him to return in the playoffs. If so, the Celtics' chances of winning the East may not be severely diminished.

Still, it represents the biggest bump in the road for a Boston team that has been cruising.

[tazzmaniac]

This makes me feel somewhat hopeful...

PHILADELPHIA -- The last time we saw Philadelphia 76ers All-Star center Joel Embiid on a basketball court, he was playing through a right meniscus tear that he suffered in the first round of the playoffs against the Washington Wizards. Embiid missed a game as a result of the injury, but returned for Philadelphia's second-round matchup against the Atlanta Hawks, playing in all seven games of the series.

The knee didn't seem to bother Embiid too much against Atlanta as he averaged 30.4 points and 12.7 rebounds in 37.4 minutes per performance over the series. However, there was some speculation about whether or not Embiid would need to undergo surgery after the season. Such a surgery never occurred as Embiid instead opted for a natural healing process. We didn't hear much from Embiid over the offseason, but at Philadelphia's Media Day on Monday, the big man provided a promising update on his knee.

"It's been fine," Embiid said of his knee. "I've just been working out all summer. It's been fine, no problems. I'm getting back to where I was and I feel pretty good."-Old Article from CBS

In 2017 when Embiid had a meniscus tear, they initially said he was day-to-day and wouldn't need surgery.  He ended up getting surgery and missing the rest of the 2017 season. 

https://billypenn.com/2017/03/23/joel-embiids-injury-and-all-the-different-things-the-sixers-said-about-it-a-timeline/

The article above was from September 27, 2021. Hopefully TL lucks out and it Can heal on its own.

Yes and mine was from 2017.  It shows that meniscus tears can have a wide range of recovery. 

[sgrogan]

Tough break for the Celtics but I don't think that changes that we are still a title contender.  Not as much as before the injury, RWill is a good player, and impactful player, but we do have others (Theis and GWill) who will need to step up.

Incidentally, I was curious to see the 2-man results for various combinations of our bigs, essentially with Theis in for RWill: (these are normalized per 100 possessions):

Horford/RWill       +13.6     51 games
Horford/Theis       +33.0       7 games

GWill/RWill            +4.7     56 games
Theis/GWill         +13.2      13 games

The sample size with Theis is admittedly small but Theis is better than both Horford and GWill than RWill was with either.  Again, small sample size and context but if you look only at the last 10 games:

Horford/RWill       +21.5
Horford/Theis       +32.9

GWill/RWill          +20.6
Theis/GWill         +14.9

Theis still pairs roughly as well with GWill and Horford as RWill does.  Theis should also be getting better still, at least a little.  Incidentally, Horford and GWill over the last 10 games are only +5.2, the worst combination.

We can overcome this.  According to these numbers, Horford and Theis should play the most, Theis and GWill the next most, and Horford and GWill the least.

Theis' ability to avoid foul trouble will probably flip this. Plus Theis needs to play when Al doesn't.

I don't think that is true.  Horford and Theis have played 44 total minutes in 7 games for a plus/minus of +29.  They are actually very good together.  That is why it is so critical that Theis stays out of foul trouble.  All combinations of Horford, Theis, and GWill are going to need to be used.  It will be like before we got Theis back but it will be Theis instead of RWill.

I am not worried about them playing together. I am worried when neither is on the court.
I don't think, even in the playoffs, Al is good for more than 32-34 mpg, Best case Grant plays the same. In a perfect world that means Theis needs to play needs to play 30 mpg. I just don't see this. Otherwise its Tatum at the 4 and more minutes for White/Pritchard.

If Kornet can play at all, "cheat" 3-5 minutes/half around the quarter break maybe I'll feel better. But if those 6-10 mpg are with Grant playing smallball 5, I'm worried.

I think we are saying the same thing.  Before Theis, we had a 3 man big rotation of Horford (30 min), RWill (30 min), and GWill (24 min), roughly.  Now we have to replace RWill's 30 min per game.  Theis will likely get 24 min, maybe GWill bumps up to 32 min and maybe Horford at 32 min also.  That would be 88 of the 96 minutes needed.

But to do that means all combinations will get some playing time, including some time for Theis and Horford.  That is how we played it last night.  It was Horford who was missing not RWill but then RWill got hurt and there was foul trouble, but up to that point, there was always two of RWill, GWill, and Theis on the court.  Moving forward, I expect the same but it will be combinations of Horford, Theis, and GWill.

On the season:

Horford/RWill:        761 min
Horford/GWill         729 min
GWill/RWill             593 min

I think you will see about the same proportions except GWill gets RWill's minutes and Theis gets GWill's minutes, or something like that.

As I posted earlier though, the best combination statistically is Horford + Theis.  If it were me, I would start Theis and keep GWill in the same role he has thrived in all season.  It doesn't change all that much, just gives Theis more minutes with the starters who I feel he will complement better that GWill does.

I think we are similar on lineups. I just have less confidence in Theis's ability to absorb the minutes. I'm very happy to have Theis but I think he's the least capable to absorb minutes, or at least the rotation as a whole is. The same would be true if Al was hurt.

I don't think its the end of the world, but Tatum is going to play more "big" on defense. He's done it before and he's capable, but it takes effort and I'm worried it hurts the offense. We play an 8 1/2 man rotation, so any injury is tough.

[Kernewek]

Definitely not good news, but I don’t think this necessarily ruins title hopes or anything like that. Timelord and Al are the two who are most expendable in our starting lineup, and I think we can reasonably cover for them without losing too much. Another thing to keep in mind that this does actually improve our shooting and spacing from the big position, as it means more time for shooting bigs or going smaller.

Hopefully we can get him back for the second or third round healthy on the way to a banner, ala Bosh for the Heat in 2012. Shouldn’t be an issue to get past the first round without him, though second round will be tougher.

I couldn't disagree more.  Are you referring to Daniel Theis as a "shooting big"? lol. Certainly not Luke Kornet.

Personally, I am scaling back my season's hopes here. Robert Williams is as essential to this team's success as any other starter.

Lol no

Now that’s a reply worthy of a room temperature IQ. Got any substance to add?

Apartment heat is on full blast today with the cold, so room temperature is getting up there!

Rob is awesome. He’s also our most replaceable starter. He is nowhere close to being as essential to this team’s success as either of the Jays. I argue that a healthy Horford is more helpful in this playoffs given Gianni’s and Embiid. And Smart is your DPOY point guard.

I’d also contend that our record over the last couple months is only marginally worse without Timelord in the lineup. Impossible to prove but the point there is not that he’s worthless, just that the team is humming so incredibly well that it should be able to withstand his absence.

 

Makes much more sense thanks for offering your perspective. I think we should be all right in the first round, and possibly the second, but I think he's a bigger hinge to the defense than you're allowing. Hard to say without some serious Excel-ery that I don't have time to dive into now, but I think a lot of the 'free safety' aspects of his game will be missed, like so:
https://g f y cat.com/failingimaginativeleafwing

Also, it's a couple weeks old but the thinking basketball breakdown of the C's switches (including what they call 'triple switches') was really fun, and maybe some folks haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_xkJg-3RH4

All this to say I'm going to have some beverages over the loss of timelord and hope his recovery is swift, because the team is so much fun to watch.

[Goldstar88]

This makes me feel somewhat hopeful...

PHILADELPHIA -- The last time we saw Philadelphia 76ers All-Star center Joel Embiid on a basketball court, he was playing through a right meniscus tear that he suffered in the first round of the playoffs against the Washington Wizards. Embiid missed a game as a result of the injury, but returned for Philadelphia's second-round matchup against the Atlanta Hawks, playing in all seven games of the series.

The knee didn't seem to bother Embiid too much against Atlanta as he averaged 30.4 points and 12.7 rebounds in 37.4 minutes per performance over the series. However, there was some speculation about whether or not Embiid would need to undergo surgery after the season. Such a surgery never occurred as Embiid instead opted for a natural healing process. We didn't hear much from Embiid over the offseason, but at Philadelphia's Media Day on Monday, the big man provided a promising update on his knee.

"It's been fine," Embiid said of his knee. "I've just been working out all summer. It's been fine, no problems. I'm getting back to where I was and I feel pretty good."-Old Article from CBS

In 2017 when Embiid had a meniscus tear, they initially said he was day-to-day and wouldn't need surgery.  He ended up getting surgery and missing the rest of the 2017 season. 

https://billypenn.com/2017/03/23/joel-embiids-injury-and-all-the-different-things-the-sixers-said-about-it-a-timeline/

The article above was from September 27, 2021. Hopefully TL lucks out and it Can heal on its own.

Yes and mine was from 2017.  It shows that meniscus tears can have a wide range of recovery.

Sure, but you left out the part where Embiid played in a game only 7 days after he hurt his knee in 2017. He later criticized the 76ers for how the handled his injury.

[sgrogan]

Definitely not good news, but I don’t think this necessarily ruins title hopes or anything like that. Timelord and Al are the two who are most expendable in our starting lineup, and I think we can reasonably cover for them without losing too much. Another thing to keep in mind that this does actually improve our shooting and spacing from the big position, as it means more time for shooting bigs or going smaller.

Hopefully we can get him back for the second or third round healthy on the way to a banner, ala Bosh for the Heat in 2012. Shouldn’t be an issue to get past the first round without him, though second round will be tougher.

I couldn't disagree more.  Are you referring to Daniel Theis as a "shooting big"? lol. Certainly not Luke Kornet.

Personally, I am scaling back my season's hopes here. Robert Williams is as essential to this team's success as any other starter.

Lol no

Now that’s a reply worthy of a room temperature IQ. Got any substance to add?

Apartment heat is on full blast today with the cold, so room temperature is getting up there!

Rob is awesome. He’s also our most replaceable starter. He is nowhere close to being as essential to this team’s success as either of the Jays. I argue that a healthy Horford is more helpful in this playoffs given Gianni’s and Embiid. And Smart is your DPOY point guard.

I’d also contend that our record over the last couple months is only marginally worse without Timelord in the lineup. Impossible to prove but the point there is not that he’s worthless, just that the team is humming so incredibly well that it should be able to withstand his absence.

 

Makes much more sense thanks for offering your perspective. I think we should be all right in the first round, and possibly the second, but I think he's a bigger hinge to the defense than you're allowing. Hard to say without some serious Excel-ery that I don't have time to dive into now, but I think a lot of the 'free safety' aspects of his game will be missed, like so:
https://Edited for profanity.  Please do not do it again.cat.com/failingimaginativeleafwing

Also, it's a couple weeks old but the thinking basketball breakdown of the C's switches (including what they call 'triple switches') was really fun, and maybe some folks haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_xkJg-3RH4

All this to say I'm going to have some beverages over the loss of timelord and hope his recovery is swift, because the team is so much fun to watch.

TP, that was a fun watch.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1508567756677038091

Sounds like surgery is required, with the chance of being back in the second round the best case scenario depending on the type of surgery.

[Roy H.]

Williams should get the surgery that’s best for him long-term, regardless of recovery time.