Timelord (Woj: To play limited minutes in Game 3)

[Kuberski33]

Dean Wade of the Cavs had surgery today for a torn miniscus. The team says he will miss 'the remainder of the 21-22 season'. So I would assume that means playoffs as well.

[sgrogan]

Huge blow to the team. Forget the number 1 seed. Start resting players and avoid the juggernauts of the east as much as possible.

Whether he comes back or not will impact the team..if he's back mid playoffs he'll prob be on minute restriction and getting the rust off his knee. If not, we're stuck with a lower quality big or be a mismatch for the C's.

The timing is not good, not that an injury ever is.
Al's out against Toronto, Tatum, by some accounts was a game time decision yesterday and the C's were thinking of resting him today. Is that out the window, or do they play Tatum today, and try to rest him when Al is back?

As a general philosophy, how do you think they should rest players?
"Schedule losses" by resting multiple players in the same game, or strategically rest players against specific opponents with the thought you can still win that game?

[jpotter33]

Definitely not good news, but I don’t think this necessarily ruins title hopes or anything like that. Timelord and Al are the two who are most expendable in our starting lineup, and I think we can reasonably cover for them without losing too much. Another thing to keep in mind that this does actually improve our shooting and spacing from the big position, as it means more time for shooting bigs or going smaller.

Hopefully we can get him back for the second or third round healthy on the way to a banner, ala Bosh for the Heat in 2012. Shouldn’t be an issue to get past the first round without him, though second round will be tougher.

[jpotter33]

Huge blow to the team. Forget the number 1 seed. Start resting players and avoid the juggernauts of the east as much as possible.

Whether he comes back or not will impact the team..if he's back mid playoffs he'll prob be on minute restriction and getting the rust off his knee. If not, we're stuck with a lower quality big or be a mismatch for the C's.

The timing is not good, not that an injury ever is.
Al's out against Toronto, Tatum, by some accounts was a game time decision yesterday and the C's were thinking of resting him today. Is that out the window, or do they play Tatum today, and try to rest him when Al is back?

As a general philosophy, how do you think they should rest players?
"Schedule losses" by resting multiple players in the same game, or strategically rest players against specific opponents with the thought you can still win that game?

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1508492973293686785?s=20&t=eI4J6PkaemiMGg5ddRhT9A

Guess we’re going with schedule loss!

Probably right move to sit the Jays on the B2B with both Timelord and Al out, too. Playing against Miami on Wednesday will be much more impactful.

[sgrogan]

Huge blow to the team. Forget the number 1 seed. Start resting players and avoid the juggernauts of the east as much as possible.

Whether he comes back or not will impact the team..if he's back mid playoffs he'll prob be on minute restriction and getting the rust off his knee. If not, we're stuck with a lower quality big or be a mismatch for the C's.

The timing is not good, not that an injury ever is.
Al's out against Toronto, Tatum, by some accounts was a game time decision yesterday and the C's were thinking of resting him today. Is that out the window, or do they play Tatum today, and try to rest him when Al is back?

As a general philosophy, how do you think they should rest players?
"Schedule losses" by resting multiple players in the same game, or strategically rest players against specific opponents with the thought you can still win that game?

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1508492973293686785?s=20&t=eI4J6PkaemiMGg5ddRhT9A

Guess we’re going with schedule loss!

Probably right move to sit the Jays on the B2B with both Timelord and Al out, too. Playing against Miami on Wednesday will be much more impactful.

I guess we know how Ime thinks.
Marcus
White
Nesmith
Grant
Theis

Pritchad
Houser
Kornet

I can handle the loss, but Marcus is going to take 30 shots.

[Surferdad]

Definitely not good news, but I don’t think this necessarily ruins title hopes or anything like that. Timelord and Al are the two who are most expendable in our starting lineup, and I think we can reasonably cover for them without losing too much. Another thing to keep in mind that this does actually improve our shooting and spacing from the big position, as it means more time for shooting bigs or going smaller.

Hopefully we can get him back for the second or third round healthy on the way to a banner, ala Bosh for the Heat in 2012. Shouldn’t be an issue to get past the first round without him, though second round will be tougher.

I couldn't disagree more.  Are you referring to Daniel Theis as a "shooting big"? lol. Certainly not Luke Kornet.

Personally, I am scaling back my season's hopes here. Robert Williams is as essential to this team's success as any other starter.

[konkmv]

They should have another playable big and another sf.. behind the Jay's you have nothing.. and you have no rim protection behind Rob... they will fight but a second round loss is looming

[Vermont Green]

Tough break for the Celtics but I don't think that changes that we are still a title contender.  Not as much as before the injury, RWill is a good player, and impactful player, but we do have others (Theis and GWill) who will need to step up.

Incidentally, I was curious to see the 2-man results for various combinations of our bigs, essentially with Theis in for RWill: (these are normalized per 100 possessions):

Horford/RWill       +13.6     51 games
Horford/Theis       +33.0       7 games

GWill/RWill            +4.7     56 games
Theis/GWill         +13.2      13 games

The sample size with Theis is admittedly small but Theis is better than both Horford and GWill than RWill was with either.  Again, small sample size and context but if you look only at the last 10 games:

Horford/RWill       +21.5
Horford/Theis       +32.9

GWill/RWill          +20.6
Theis/GWill         +14.9

Theis still pairs roughly as well with GWill and Horford as RWill does.  Theis should also be getting better still, at least a little.  Incidentally, Horford and GWill over the last 10 games are only +5.2, the worst combination.

We can overcome this.  According to these numbers, Horford and Theis should play the most, Theis and GWill the next most, and Horford and GWill the least.

[sgrogan]

Tough break for the Celtics but I don't think that changes that we are still a title contender.  Not as much as before the injury, RWill is a good player, and impactful player, but we do have others (Theis and GWill) who will need to step up.

Incidentally, I was curious to see the 2-man results for various combinations of our bigs, essentially with Theis in for RWill: (these are normalized per 100 possessions):

Horford/RWill       +13.6     51 games
Horford/Theis       +33.0       7 games

GWill/RWill            +4.7     56 games
Theis/GWill         +13.2      13 games

The sample size with Theis is admittedly small but Theis is better than both Horford and GWill than RWill was with either.  Again, small sample size and context but if you look only at the last 10 games:

Horford/RWill       +21.5
Horford/Theis       +32.9

GWill/RWill          +20.6
Theis/GWill         +14.9

Theis still pairs roughly as well with GWill and Horford as RWill does.  Theis should also be getting better still, at least a little.  Incidentally, Horford and GWill over the last 10 games are only +5.2, the worst combination.

We can overcome this.  According to these numbers, Horford and Theis should play the most, Theis and GWill the next most, and Horford and GWill the least.

Theis' ability to avoid foul trouble will probably flip this. Plus Theis needs to play when Al doesn't.

[seancally]

Definitely not good news, but I don’t think this necessarily ruins title hopes or anything like that. Timelord and Al are the two who are most expendable in our starting lineup, and I think we can reasonably cover for them without losing too much. Another thing to keep in mind that this does actually improve our shooting and spacing from the big position, as it means more time for shooting bigs or going smaller.

Hopefully we can get him back for the second or third round healthy on the way to a banner, ala Bosh for the Heat in 2012. Shouldn’t be an issue to get past the first round without him, though second round will be tougher.

I couldn't disagree more.  Are you referring to Daniel Theis as a "shooting big"? lol. Certainly not Luke Kornet.

Personally, I am scaling back my season's hopes here. Robert Williams is as essential to this team's success as any other starter.

Lol no

[Kernewek]

Definitely not good news, but I don’t think this necessarily ruins title hopes or anything like that. Timelord and Al are the two who are most expendable in our starting lineup, and I think we can reasonably cover for them without losing too much. Another thing to keep in mind that this does actually improve our shooting and spacing from the big position, as it means more time for shooting bigs or going smaller.

Hopefully we can get him back for the second or third round healthy on the way to a banner, ala Bosh for the Heat in 2012. Shouldn’t be an issue to get past the first round without him, though second round will be tougher.

I couldn't disagree more.  Are you referring to Daniel Theis as a "shooting big"? lol. Certainly not Luke Kornet.

Personally, I am scaling back my season's hopes here. Robert Williams is as essential to this team's success as any other starter.

Lol no

Now that’s a reply worthy of a room temperature IQ. Got any substance to add?

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1508493460826988554

Official diagnosis is “torn lateral meniscus in his left knee”, with official timetable for recovery expected later this week. That’s the better of the meniscus injuries, correct? Hopefully that means a shorter recovery time/no surgery.

[tazzmaniac]

This makes me feel somewhat hopeful...

PHILADELPHIA -- The last time we saw Philadelphia 76ers All-Star center Joel Embiid on a basketball court, he was playing through a right meniscus tear that he suffered in the first round of the playoffs against the Washington Wizards. Embiid missed a game as a result of the injury, but returned for Philadelphia's second-round matchup against the Atlanta Hawks, playing in all seven games of the series.

The knee didn't seem to bother Embiid too much against Atlanta as he averaged 30.4 points and 12.7 rebounds in 37.4 minutes per performance over the series. However, there was some speculation about whether or not Embiid would need to undergo surgery after the season. Such a surgery never occurred as Embiid instead opted for a natural healing process. We didn't hear much from Embiid over the offseason, but at Philadelphia's Media Day on Monday, the big man provided a promising update on his knee.

"It's been fine," Embiid said of his knee. "I've just been working out all summer. It's been fine, no problems. I'm getting back to where I was and I feel pretty good."-Old Article from CBS

In 2017 when Embiid had a meniscus tear, they initially said he was day-to-day and wouldn't need surgery.  He ended up getting surgery and missing the rest of the 2017 season. 

https://billypenn.com/2017/03/23/joel-embiids-injury-and-all-the-different-things-the-sixers-said-about-it-a-timeline/

[BruceBanner18]

Junior dos Santos' won the UFC heavyweight title against Cain Velasquez fighting with a torn meniscus.

Come playoffs he better just tape it up and play.

[Wretch]

Wild speculation here but I think the fact that they didn't rush out to sign a veteran center with playoff eligibility is a good sign as to how severe the Cs think the injury is.  They signed a 10 day wing player from which I infer the Cs think RW will be back at some point in the playoffs.

Obviously that could change and they could sign a WCS or other veteran on a 1 year non guaranteed contract in the next few days and that I would infer that the injury will require a longer recovery.