Idea: Brown, Smart to GSW

[MattyIce]

Why would the Warriors want a non shooter in Smart?

they almost traded for him before the 2020 season

[mr. dee]

Warriors is hitting all cylinders with Wiggins and Poole. Why the hell they would mess with the chemistry they have right now? If saving money is the only reason for the warriors then they should have dropped guys like Green long ago.

Wiseman, though would be a more realistic target but Warriors would have to include more on the package.

[Birdman]

Warriors doesn’t need anyone..they got a good thing going on..plus Klay coming back also

[wiley]

Agree, Warriors are so good right now....they do not need to trade their future for the present as the present is just fine. 

If Klay went down again, maybe that would change and they'd think about this one...not sure.

I do think the OP trade makes the Celtics richer, not poorer....for the future...and I say that as a huge fan of Brown and a longtime supporter of Marcus.

There are a couple ways for the C's to go...one is to patiently build around the Jays and one is to trade one of them for a longer term ascent back to elite status, by gambling on young talent.

As gambles on young talent go this is a good one...(would take Moody rather than the extra pick).

For now though I'd guess both teams say no, especially Warriors.  Can revisit this if they have health woes...and C's keep struggling.

[Big333223]

Warriors doesn’t need anyone..they got a good thing going on..plus Klay coming back also

Exactly. The Warriors are playing like the best team in basketball and are about to add Klay. They're not blowing up their team mid season.

But also, Brown comes back and the C's beat the Bucks in one of their best wins of the season. I simply do not understand what game people are watching when they want to break up the J's.

[todd_days_41]

I can absolutely see the Warriors trading for Smart this season. Brown? Prolly not, if nothing else because the Cs aren't trading him mid-year.

[JBcat]

I don't really like that trade for Boston, but I'm not super high on Poole or Kuminga so that is why.

I’m not advocating for this trade, but I think Kuminga has big time potential, and a few teams may regret passing on him in the draft.

[PhoSita]

This doesn't get us anywhere

If there's a way to get Kuminga / Wiseman from GSW without giving up Brown, that would be worth looking into.

GS is contending this year, which means they don't have the time to develop raw young guys.  The Celts are not contending this year.

Seems like there could be some mutual purpose there. One issue is that Horford makes too much money and Smart / Richardson might be a little redundant for GSW especially once Klay returns.

[GreenlyGreeny]

An exciting trade idea with GSW:

BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Wiggins
GSW In: Brown, R. Williams, Schröder

Makes GSW better today and makes BOS better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga live up to expectations (yet makes GSW also better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga do NOT live up to expectations). A gamble, of course, but one probably worth taking if they were open to it.

Solid starting five with growing pains among our youthful bench, but a great veteran presence in Horford guiding them:

Smart/Pritchard
Richardson/Langford
Wiggins/Kuminga
Tatum/G. Williams
Wiseman/Horford

Come the off-season, see if there’s a way to turn Wiggins and picks into Beal. We’ll then be on our merry way, particularly if Kuminga and Wiseman live up to expectations. This eight-man rotation, with Smart as 6MOTY, is exciting to imagine:

Beal/Smart
Richardson/Smart
Tatum/Kuminga
G. Williams/Horford
Wiseman/Horford

Round out the roster:

MLE 4/5
Pritchard
Langford
Nesmith
2022 1st (hopefully a solid PG prospect)
Begarin and/or 2022 2nd (cheap 14th/15th men)

Check out Wiseman’s jersey in his profile pic on Wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wiseman

Hopefully Kuminga will be ready to start come 2023-2024, and hopefully we have a traditional pass-first PG by that point:

1. Traditional PG (2022 1st if we’re lucky)/Smart and/or Pritchard
2. Beal/Smart and/or Langford
3. Kuminga/Richardson and/or Nesmith
4. Tatum/G. Williams
5. Wiseman/Horford on a cheap contract

[footey]

Why would the Warriors want a non shooter in Smart?

they almost traded for him before the 2020 season

You mean Celtic fans (Bill Simmons) speculated that the Warriors should be interested in trading the top draft pick for him.  The Warriors never "almost traded for him".  What are your sources?

[cltc5]

Yes

[Kiorrik]

An exciting trade idea with GSW:

BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Wiggins
GSW In: Brown, R. Williams, Schröder

Makes GSW better today and makes BOS better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga live up to expectations (yet makes GSW also better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga do NOT live up to expectations). A gamble, of course, but one probably worth taking if they were open to it.

Solid starting five with growing pains among our youthful bench, but a great veteran presence in Horford guiding them:

Smart/Pritchard
Richardson/Langford
Wiggins/Kuminga
Tatum/G. Williams
Wiseman/Horford

Come the off-season, see if there’s a way to turn Wiggins and picks into Beal. We’ll then be on our merry way, particularly if Kuminga and Wiseman live up to expectations. This eight-man rotation, with Smart as 6MOTY, is exciting to imagine:

Beal/Smart
Richardson/Smart
Tatum/Kuminga
G. Williams/Horford
Wiseman/Horford

Round out the roster:

MLE 4/5
Pritchard
Langford
Nesmith
2022 1st (hopefully a solid PG prospect)
Begarin and/or 2022 2nd (cheap 14th/15th men)

Check out Wiseman’s jersey in his profile pic on Wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wiseman

Hopefully Kuminga will be ready to start come 2023-2024, and hopefully we have a traditional pass-first PG by that point:

1. Traditional PG (2022 1st if we’re lucky)/Smart and/or Pritchard
2. Beal/Smart and/or Langford
3. Kuminga/Richardson and/or Nesmith
4. Tatum/G. Williams
5. Wiseman/Horford on a cheap contract

Bro.

Warriors are going to win another championship, even WITHOUT Klay back.

THAT is how good they are this season.

Why would they mess with that by trading the farm.

Just, why?

[GreenlyGreeny]

An exciting trade idea with GSW:

BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Wiggins
GSW In: Brown, R. Williams, Schröder

Makes GSW better today and makes BOS better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga live up to expectations (yet makes GSW also better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga do NOT live up to expectations). A gamble, of course, but one probably worth taking if they were open to it.

Solid starting five with growing pains among our youthful bench, but a great veteran presence in Horford guiding them:

Smart/Pritchard
Richardson/Langford
Wiggins/Kuminga
Tatum/G. Williams
Wiseman/Horford

Come the off-season, see if there’s a way to turn Wiggins and picks into Beal. We’ll then be on our merry way, particularly if Kuminga and Wiseman live up to expectations. This eight-man rotation, with Smart as 6MOTY, is exciting to imagine:

Beal/Smart
Richardson/Smart
Tatum/Kuminga
G. Williams/Horford
Wiseman/Horford

Round out the roster:

MLE 4/5
Pritchard
Langford
Nesmith
2022 1st (hopefully a solid PG prospect)
Begarin and/or 2022 2nd (cheap 14th/15th men)

Check out Wiseman’s jersey in his profile pic on Wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wiseman

Hopefully Kuminga will be ready to start come 2023-2024, and hopefully we have a traditional pass-first PG by that point:

1. Traditional PG (2022 1st if we’re lucky)/Smart and/or Pritchard
2. Beal/Smart and/or Langford
3. Kuminga/Richardson and/or Nesmith
4. Tatum/G. Williams
5. Wiseman/Horford on a cheap contract

Bro.

Warriors are going to win another championship, even WITHOUT Klay back.

THAT is how good they are this season.

Why would they mess with that by trading the farm.

Just, why?

Brown is better/younger than Wiggins and Schröder/Timelord brings more to them today than Wiseman/Kuminga do today. Basically, if GSW is not convinced that Wiseman/Kuminga will live up to expectations, this makes a lot of sense. Especially if we make it clear that Schröder is going to Phoenix if not GSW (Schröder is exactly what could push the Suns past the Warriors, and would provide an outlet for load management for CP3 before the 2nd round of the playoffs).

[slamtheking]

An exciting trade idea with GSW:

BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Wiggins
GSW In: Brown, R. Williams, Schröder

Makes GSW better today and makes BOS better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga live up to expectations (yet makes GSW also better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga do NOT live up to expectations). A gamble, of course, but one probably worth taking if they were open to it.

Solid starting five with growing pains among our youthful bench, but a great veteran presence in Horford guiding them:

Smart/Pritchard
Richardson/Langford
Wiggins/Kuminga
Tatum/G. Williams
Wiseman/Horford

Come the off-season, see if there’s a way to turn Wiggins and picks into Beal. We’ll then be on our merry way, particularly if Kuminga and Wiseman live up to expectations. This eight-man rotation, with Smart as 6MOTY, is exciting to imagine:

Beal/Smart
Richardson/Smart
Tatum/Kuminga
G. Williams/Horford
Wiseman/Horford

Round out the roster:

MLE 4/5
Pritchard
Langford
Nesmith
2022 1st (hopefully a solid PG prospect)
Begarin and/or 2022 2nd (cheap 14th/15th men)

Check out Wiseman’s jersey in his profile pic on Wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wiseman

Hopefully Kuminga will be ready to start come 2023-2024, and hopefully we have a traditional pass-first PG by that point:

1. Traditional PG (2022 1st if we’re lucky)/Smart and/or Pritchard
2. Beal/Smart and/or Langford
3. Kuminga/Richardson and/or Nesmith
4. Tatum/G. Williams
5. Wiseman/Horford on a cheap contract

Bro.

Warriors are going to win another championship, even WITHOUT Klay back.

THAT is how good they are this season.

Why would they mess with that by trading the farm.

Just, why?

Brown is better/younger than Wiggins and Schröder/Timelord brings more to them today than Wiseman/Kuminga do today. Basically, if GSW is not convinced that Wiseman/Kuminga will live up to expectations, this makes a lot of sense. Especially if we make it clear that Schröder is going to Phoenix if not GSW (Schröder is exactly what could push the Suns past the Warriors, and would provide an outlet for load management for CP3 before the 2nd round of the playoffs).

and you just made the case why it's a bad trade for the C's.  Brown is better than Wiggins and Schroder/TL are better than W/K.   Wiggins isn't a winner and he doesn't play defense (certainly not on Jaylen's level) so he'll be less effective next to Tatum.  The other two are going to need 2-3 more years to develop (at a minimum and that's if they develop at all) which would be when Tatum will be ready to depart in free agency because the team punted 3 years of his career on players that need development rather than bringing in established talent that would help win games

[GreenlyGreeny]

An exciting trade idea with GSW:

BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Wiggins
GSW In: Brown, R. Williams, Schröder

Makes GSW better today and makes BOS better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga live up to expectations (yet makes GSW also better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga do NOT live up to expectations). A gamble, of course, but one probably worth taking if they were open to it.

Solid starting five with growing pains among our youthful bench, but a great veteran presence in Horford guiding them:

Smart/Pritchard
Richardson/Langford
Wiggins/Kuminga
Tatum/G. Williams
Wiseman/Horford

Come the off-season, see if there’s a way to turn Wiggins and picks into Beal. We’ll then be on our merry way, particularly if Kuminga and Wiseman live up to expectations. This eight-man rotation, with Smart as 6MOTY, is exciting to imagine:

Beal/Smart
Richardson/Smart
Tatum/Kuminga
G. Williams/Horford
Wiseman/Horford

Round out the roster:

MLE 4/5
Pritchard
Langford
Nesmith
2022 1st (hopefully a solid PG prospect)
Begarin and/or 2022 2nd (cheap 14th/15th men)

Check out Wiseman’s jersey in his profile pic on Wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wiseman

Hopefully Kuminga will be ready to start come 2023-2024, and hopefully we have a traditional pass-first PG by that point:

1. Traditional PG (2022 1st if we’re lucky)/Smart and/or Pritchard
2. Beal/Smart and/or Langford
3. Kuminga/Richardson and/or Nesmith
4. Tatum/G. Williams
5. Wiseman/Horford on a cheap contract

Bro.

Warriors are going to win another championship, even WITHOUT Klay back.

THAT is how good they are this season.

Why would they mess with that by trading the farm.

Just, why?

Brown is better/younger than Wiggins and Schröder/Timelord brings more to them today than Wiseman/Kuminga do today. Basically, if GSW is not convinced that Wiseman/Kuminga will live up to expectations, this makes a lot of sense. Especially if we make it clear that Schröder is going to Phoenix if not GSW (Schröder is exactly what could push the Suns past the Warriors, and would provide an outlet for load management for CP3 before the 2nd round of the playoffs).

and you just made the case why it's a bad trade for the C's.  Brown is better than Wiggins and Schroder/TL are better than W/K.   Wiggins isn't a winner and he doesn't play defense (certainly not on Jaylen's level) so he'll be less effective next to Tatum.  The other two are going to need 2-3 more years to develop (at a minimum and that's if they develop at all) which would be when Tatum will be ready to depart in free agency because the team punted 3 years of his career on players that need development rather than bringing in established talent that would help win games

As a result of clearly being nowhere near title contention today, we  value the future like the GSW values the present today (Steph, Klay and Dray are approaching their mid-30s), so it’s really win-win if all goes according to the desires of both sides. It’s only a bad trade for us if Wiseman AND Kuminga both do not live up to expectations down the road (and still a good trade for GSW regardless of what happens with those two in the future). If they live up to expectations, we’ve turned Brown into two comparable talents around age 20 at different positions who will be more complimentary to Tatum than Brown (there’s a thread in the main forum showing the data that supports Tatum is superior to Brown, and both Tatum and the team perform better when Brown is hurt versus available).

In terms of bringing in established talent to keep Tatum happy, that’s where Wiggins + picks for Beal comes into play. That’s giving him his BFF, his equivalent to Durant getting his BFF. In addition, Smart, Richardson and Horford are established players who can contribute, and we are increasingly seeing that may apply to Grant soon too.

In 2-3 years if one of Wiseman and Kuminga pan out, and we acquire Beal to be Tatum’s Robin, we’re in the NBA Finals going for the title.

Or we can keep hoping Brown magically becomes Scottie Pippen and Tatum magically becomes Michael Jordan. Better known as JKJB…