Report: Dennis Schröder in negotiations with Celtics

[Moranis]

Except we also have Langford and Nesmith, and those guys need minutes at the two spot too.

The current situation without Shroder already creates a minutes crunch. It is just plain stupid not to play Langford, Nesmith and Pritchard regular, significant minutes, and if you play someone like Richardson or Shroder instead, that's just not intelligent roster management. They may be a little better in the short term, but they aren't getting you anywhere.

With where Tatum and Brown are at as players, I can't see passing on useful veterans in order to guarantee Langford 20 minutes a night he wouldn't otherwise earn.

I guess you can just assert without argument that these veterans are "useful" and that Langford wouldn't "earn" his minutes. Langford and Nesmith are both 21. They have both shown significant promise but need minutes.

They both have the potential to be better than Richardson ever was. They might not be. But it is stupid to not provide the resources to find out. No NBA team can afford to toss aside two consecutive #14 choices because they feel compelled to play vets they find on the trash heap instead.

In the NBA, there isn't some high school like practice regime where someone can earn minutes behind the scenes. Game minutes are the only way players develop. Richardson is fully baked, a borderline starter or rotation player. If Langford and or Nesmith develop to their full potential, that could completely change the team's future.

What if Nesmith became an 18 ppg scorer who shot 3's over 40%? Is that so crazy? He's already looking like he'll be a plus defender. That would change the team. I want to find out. I don't need to know that Richardson can score 13 ppg and shoot 36% from 3. I know that is who he is.

We need to develop talent. We can't just swap for it and expect to make the finals.

Langford hasn't shown anything that tells me he could be a good player, and I don't think Richardson is going to take Nesmith's minutes at all.

Langford hasn't shown anything that tells you he can't be a good player either. It is fair to be worried about the strange string of circumstances that has prevented him from playing so far, but none of that is necessarily chronic. We have him, and we should invest enough minutes to find out what he is. We have not been able to do so thus far, and playing Richardson 10-15 less minutes for 15-20 games seems to me to be well worth it.

I want to see what we have with both #14's, not just one, and Josh Richardson can wait until we find out.

Sure he has.  Langford can't stay on the court because he hasn't been good enough to stay on the court even when he has been healthy.  He has a career ORTG of 95 and a career DRTG of 113.  He has one of the worst FG%'s in NBA history.  I get that it is only 50 games, but that is still 50 games and he has been terrible.  Edwards has been better than him and it hasn't been close.  Let that sink in for a moment. 

Langford was a highly recruited player for a reason and maybe he will finally be healthy and show some promise, but he has been awful.  If he was a 2nd round pick he might already be out of the league awful.

If he had played in 50 games with any semblance of continuity, yes that would be enough. Even 20 games as I've suggested can be enough if you get a predictable role. But his experiences so far are a useless, chopped up jumble.

He may not be any good in the end. But it is stupid not to find out.

He played 20 games as a rookie basically all in a row and all his games this year, including the playoffs were basically all in a row.  That is basically 2 different runs of 20 games and he has been awful.  He just hasn't shown anything that says minutes should be reserved for him.  If he earns them, that would be fantastic, but the team shouldn't just be setting aside minutes for him. 

[jambr380]

Figured I would pass this update along from Murphy. Solid update, but we are obviously still waiting:

The Celtics await word from Dennis Schroder, the free agent point guard left out in the cold when teams went elsewhere during the spending spree over the first three days of free agency. But according to a league source, the Celtics and the former Laker agree on one thing thus far — contract length.

“He’s only interested in one year, and then getting back out there,” said the source, who added that Schroder has also run into another problem — the sudden lack of available starting point guard jobs.

The Celtics have pitched Schroder the idea of backing up Marcus Smart next season.

“He needs time — I think he’s in a state of shock because of what he’s done,” the source said of Schroder turning down a four-year, $84 million offer last season from the Lakers, who responded by trading for Russell Westbrook.

[Who]

Figured I would pass this update along from Murphy. Solid update, but we are obviously still waiting:

The Celtics await word from Dennis Schroder, the free agent point guard left out in the cold when teams went elsewhere during the spending spree over the first three days of free agency. But according to a league source, the Celtics and the former Laker agree on one thing thus far — contract length.

“He’s only interested in one year, and then getting back out there,” said the source, who added that Schroder has also run into another problem — the sudden lack of available starting point guard jobs.

The Celtics have pitched Schroder the idea of backing up Marcus Smart next season.

“He needs time — I think he’s in a state of shock because of what he’s done,” the source said of Schroder turning down a four-year, $84 million offer last season from the Lakers, who responded by trading for Russell Westbrook.

Ha, the poor guy! All that money, oh my.

I was going to say he'll never see that money again but the truth is if he knocks down 36% of his 3s again, he'll be able to get that payday next summer. Maybe a small bit more.

[Csfan1984]

Based on that report would you offer starting? Schro, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Horford is still a good starting 5.

[liam]

Based on that report would you offer starting? Schro, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Horford is still a good starting 5.

It'd be up to the coach. We have time for him and we are a good playoff team. It's a good fit for him to get paid next year.

[Neurotic Guy]

Based on that report would you offer starting? Schro, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Horford is still a good starting 5.

I hope the C's would not offer Schroder the starting role.  Competition for those minutes will be great -- C's would have 3 guys capable of starting at the 1.  Promising the role to Schroder beforehand is a recipe for ugly and makes no sense to me.  I think they convince him by sharing that there are substantial minutes to be had but make no promises.  If it's not good enough for him to have to earn the minutes the C's will be better off without him.

[Roy H.]

Based on that report would you offer starting? Schro, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Horford is still a good starting 5.

Yes, absolutely.  You make clear that he's the starter on opening night.  Richardson can come off the bench and backup both SG and SF.

Horford / Timelord / Kanter / Fernando
Tatum / Jabari / Williams
Brown / Nesmith
Smart / Richardson / Langford / Edwards
Schroder / Pritchard / Dunn

We've got to cut or trade one guy, but that's a more solid squad than we deserve, honestly.  And then trade Fernando and add Millsap and we're ready to compete.

[Moranis]

If he signs, Schroder is one of the C's 4 best players so he should start if he is signed.

You'd almost certainly start Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Horford in that scenario with Richardson, Nesmith, and R. Williams being the core 3 off the bench (match-ups would dictate which other guys you played more).  And even if you wanted Schroder on the bench to start, he'd be playing starter minutes because he is one of the 4 best players on the team. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

If he signs, Schroder is one of the C's 4 best players so he should start if he is signed.

You'd almost certainly start Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Horford in that scenario with Richardson, Nesmith, and R. Williams being the core 3 off the bench (match-ups would dictate which other guys you played more).  And even if you wanted Schroder on the bench to start, he'd be playing starter minutes because he is one of the 4 best players on the team.

I probably agree with you on this. My only caveat is that it might be worth it to start big with Horford and Williams on the court, but it gets dicey to bring Smart off the bench instead of Schroeder.

Moranis, what do you think about Schroeder? I like his edge, but he's not very good on defense and is a high-usage offensive player. Frankly, his shot selection is only a little better than Smart's.

He's a guy at that's a notch (or two) below the top point guards in the NBA, but I'm not sure how much extra he brings over playing guys like Richardson or Smart. Still, we need another rotation guy and the price looks good. Is the attitude/fit worth it?

[nebist]

Schroder might end up starting. But in no world is he good enough to promise a starting job to. If he beats out Richardson for a starting spot, that’s great. But the guy was already delusional enough to turn down 4/84. Promising him a starting job is a poor idea.

[footey]

Too bad Theis wasn’t here to reunite with his German teammate.

[jay]

Based on that report would you offer starting? Schro, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Horford is still a good starting 5.

Yes, absolutely.  You make clear that he's the starter on opening night.  Richardson can come off the bench and backup both SG and SF.

Horford / Timelord / Kanter / Fernando
Tatum / Jabari / Williams
Brown / Nesmith
Smart / Richardson / Langford / Edwards
Schroder / Pritchard / Dunn

We've got to cut or trade one guy, but that's a more solid squad than we deserve, honestly.  And then trade Fernando and add Millsap and we're ready to compete.

I’m a LATech guy so I would love Millsap here. I just wonder if he will go all the way to Boston. He lived in Denver some of his childhood and he played in Utah - maybe he wants to stay out in that part of the country?  Maybe he will decide to team up with Al and mentor the young guys. Would rather him play the mentor role in Boston than somewhere like Atlanta.

[gouki88]

Based on that report would you offer starting? Schro, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Horford is still a good starting 5.

Yes, absolutely.  You make clear that he's the starter on opening night.  Richardson can come off the bench and backup both SG and SF.

Horford / Timelord / Kanter / Fernando
Tatum / Jabari / Williams
Brown / Nesmith
Smart / Richardson / Langford / Edwards
Schroder / Pritchard / Dunn

We've got to cut or trade one guy, but that's a more solid squad than we deserve, honestly.  And then trade Fernando and add Millsap and we're ready to compete.

I’m a LATech guy so I would love Millsap here. I just wonder if he will go all the way to Boston. He lived in Denver some of his childhood and he played in Utah - maybe he wants to stay out in that part of the country?  Maybe he will decide to team up with Al and mentor the young guys. Would rather him play the mentor role in Boston than somewhere like Atlanta.

He also cited that he wanted to raise his family in Denver. So it could be unlikely.

I will remain hopeful!

[Jiri Welsch]

I'm not holding my breath that he'll (Schröder) sign. I hope I'm wrong...

[radiohead]

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/8/9/22617794/report-celtics-have-offered-dennis-schroder-a-one-year-deal#comments

It isn’t really clear how much we offered him. But I’d be a bit disappointed if Jabari is cut as a result of the Schroder deal. A full training camp would do wonders for Jabari i think.