Moses Brown

[gouki88]

Just saw that Brown averages 15PPG and 16RPG in games where he plays 30+ minutes. Nice

Yes, but I still don't understand why they prefered the 16 pick over him... OK for Poku, but they could play with 2 young bigs, esp with the interrogation with Poku stength and the fact he could more be a 4 than a 5...

Teams will always prefer first round picks. They ooze with "potential", and it gives OKC full control over who they select. They didn't draft Moses Brown, and likely view him as a bench big long-term - a role that Tony Bradley can play for them

If they thought Moses Brown had potential, they would have given us someone else. We got Brown because OKC gave him a long look and they aren’t impressed.

How do you know that? Who else on OKC's roster could we realistically have even asked for? There's no way Dort nor Bazely would have been available, and Brown is a better prospect than Roby and Bradley.

We had to give OKC a 1st to take Kemba’s salary. They threw in a player to make the salaries work.

As you say, that was never going to be any of the young players they value (Dort, Bazely). Boston didn’t have leverage. We didn’t get to choose a guy we wanted or that OKC valued and would only give up for value in return. Brown is a guy that *might* have been drafted this year, deep in the 20s or in the second round as a long shot likely future bench guy.

Maybe, at best, we got our choice from among the pu-pu platter of players OKC didn’t want.

For sure, I just don't think it's such a binary. OKC can value a FRP over Brown, and Brown can still be an alright prospect despite this.

I think Brown will have a solid bench career, much like JaVale McGee (without the Shaqtin a Fool clips). Nothing crazy with what I'm saying for a guy who just averaged 9/9 as a 21 year-old 7'2 big

[nickagneta]

Just saw that Brown averages 15PPG and 16RPG in games where he plays 30+ minutes. Nice

Yes, but I still don't understand why they prefered the 16 pick over him... OK for Poku, but they could play with 2 young bigs, esp with the interrogation with Poku stength and the fact he could more be a 4 than a 5...

Teams will always prefer first round picks. They ooze with "potential", and it gives OKC full control over who they select. They didn't draft Moses Brown, and likely view him as a bench big long-term - a role that Tony Bradley can play for them

If they thought Moses Brown had potential, they would have given us someone else. We got Brown because OKC gave him a long look and they aren’t impressed.

How do you know that? Who else on OKC's roster could we realistically have even asked for? There's no way Dort nor Bazely would have been available, and Brown is a better prospect than Roby and Bradley.

We had to give OKC a 1st to take Kemba’s salary. They threw in a player to make the salaries work.

As you say, that was never going to be any of the young players they value (Dort, Bazely). Boston didn’t have leverage. We didn’t get to choose a guy we wanted or that OKC valued and would only give up for value in return. Brown is a guy that *might* have been drafted this year, deep in the 20s or in the second round as a long shot likely future bench guy.

Maybe, at best, we got our choice from among the pu-pu platter of players OKC didn’t want.

For sure, I just don't think it's such a binary. OKC can value a FRP over Brown, and Brown can still be an alright prospect despite this.

I think Brown will have a solid bench career, much like JaVale McGee (without the Shaqtin a Fool clips). Nothing crazy with what I'm saying for a guy who just averaged 9/9 as a 21 year-old 7'2 big

Also, Brown wasn't thrown in to make the numbers work. The trade could easily been made without Brown as OKC was enough below the cap to absorb the difference in salaries between Horford and Walker.

[tonydelk]

Just saw that Brown averages 15PPG and 16RPG in games where he plays 30+ minutes. Nice

Yes, but I still don't understand why they prefered the 16 pick over him... OK for Poku, but they could play with 2 young bigs, esp with the interrogation with Poku stength and the fact he could more be a 4 than a 5...

Teams will always prefer first round picks. They ooze with "potential", and it gives OKC full control over who they select. They didn't draft Moses Brown, and likely view him as a bench big long-term - a role that Tony Bradley can play for them

If they thought Moses Brown had potential, they would have given us someone else. We got Brown because OKC gave him a long look and they aren’t impressed.

How do you know that? Who else on OKC's roster could we realistically have even asked for? There's no way Dort nor Bazely would have been available, and Brown is a better prospect than Roby and Bradley.

We had to give OKC a 1st to take Kemba’s salary. They threw in a player to make the salaries work.

As you say, that was never going to be any of the young players they value (Dort, Bazely). Boston didn’t have leverage. We didn’t get to choose a guy we wanted or that OKC valued and would only give up for value in return. Brown is a guy that *might* have been drafted this year, deep in the 20s or in the second round as a long shot likely future bench guy.

Maybe, at best, we got our choice from among the pu-pu platter of players OKC didn’t want.

For sure, I just don't think it's such a binary. OKC can value a FRP over Brown, and Brown can still be an alright prospect despite this.

I think Brown will have a solid bench career, much like JaVale McGee (without the Shaqtin a Fool clips). Nothing crazy with what I'm saying for a guy who just averaged 9/9 as a 21 year-old 7'2 big

Also, Brown wasn't thrown in to make the numbers work. The trade could easily been made without Brown as OKC was enough below the cap to absorb the difference in salaries between Horford and Walker.

I don't believe Brown was a throw in.  Its probably the cost of getting that 1st round pick this year from the C's.  He's raw and has a ways to go to be a legitimate bench piece so I'm sure they were willing to give up a bit of potential to secure the 16 pick for a player who has more potential then Brown.

[nickagneta]

Just saw that Brown averages 15PPG and 16RPG in games where he plays 30+ minutes. Nice

Yes, but I still don't understand why they prefered the 16 pick over him... OK for Poku, but they could play with 2 young bigs, esp with the interrogation with Poku stength and the fact he could more be a 4 than a 5...

Teams will always prefer first round picks. They ooze with "potential", and it gives OKC full control over who they select. They didn't draft Moses Brown, and likely view him as a bench big long-term - a role that Tony Bradley can play for them

If they thought Moses Brown had potential, they would have given us someone else. We got Brown because OKC gave him a long look and they aren’t impressed.

How do you know that? Who else on OKC's roster could we realistically have even asked for? There's no way Dort nor Bazely would have been available, and Brown is a better prospect than Roby and Bradley.

We had to give OKC a 1st to take Kemba’s salary. They threw in a player to make the salaries work.

As you say, that was never going to be any of the young players they value (Dort, Bazely). Boston didn’t have leverage. We didn’t get to choose a guy we wanted or that OKC valued and would only give up for value in return. Brown is a guy that *might* have been drafted this year, deep in the 20s or in the second round as a long shot likely future bench guy.

Maybe, at best, we got our choice from among the pu-pu platter of players OKC didn’t want.

For sure, I just don't think it's such a binary. OKC can value a FRP over Brown, and Brown can still be an alright prospect despite this.

I think Brown will have a solid bench career, much like JaVale McGee (without the Shaqtin a Fool clips). Nothing crazy with what I'm saying for a guy who just averaged 9/9 as a 21 year-old 7'2 big

Also, Brown wasn't thrown in to make the numbers work. The trade could easily been made without Brown as OKC was enough below the cap to absorb the difference in salaries between Horford and Walker.

I don't believe Brown was a throw in.  Its probably the cost of getting that 1st round pick this year from the C's.  He's raw and has a ways to go to be a legitimate bench piece so I'm sure they were willing to give up a bit of potential to secure the 16 pick for a player who has more potential then Brown.

Perceived potential. "Perceived" is an important point. The potential to be a complete and utter bust with no potential is still very high at pick #16. Case in point....Yabusele. And he is far from the only one.

[tstorey_97]

Ok, it's the off season and we're talking about a 3rd string 21 year old center who didn't get drafted.

I think this means we check all the "fans" boxes.

Good thread as we shake down why Brown is here.

Deal:
Presti took the salary hit in the swap with Horford
Stevens gets the cap relief

Why was the #16 added?
Why was Brown added?

Cap relief + Horford + Brown = Walker + #16


Stevens knew where Walker is going in February this year. For Presti, Walker and his $36M "is an asset" in a couple ways and, as OKC isn't going anywhere, Presti can wait to cash in.

The value of Walker in this trade was high enough to require a "good young player" along with the cap relief to Boston?

Thus, the aforementioned "pu pu platter" of young players Presti has for actual trade currency? Stevens takes Moses Brown.

Thompson is an expiring this year, Robert is hurt all the time and the Celtics have way too many young guys that can't play much in playoff games.

Stevens "likes" Moses Brown?

Since when does Brad "like" a player "like" Brown? Stylistically, he doesn't look like a match.

Having watched endless video of Brown, he will enter a Celtics game this season with the benchers and grab piles of rebounds because he's longer than anyone else on the court and he's good at it. He will make dunks if he gets the ball close to the basket. Pritchard, as he does with Robert, will "use Brown" underneath well, he is an oop machine because he's longer than anyone else on the court. (did I already say that?)

Like Robert, Brown has excellent hands and times his blocks well.

Robert Williams is a potential NBA star, Moses is a potential NBA third string center who is inexpensive.

The Celtics continue to be a very young team which is rough at playoff time.

[bricone29]

Has anyone mentioned that Moses Brown had a 20 point/20 rebound before the half against the Celtics? 

[tonydelk]

Has anyone mentioned that Moses Brown had a 20 point/20 rebound before the half against the Celtics? 

I think I've heard it mentioned once or twice.

[jambr380]

...Moses is a potential NBA third string center who is inexpensive...

I don't agree with this take. Moses isn't a potential 3rd string Center. He is already easily a 3rd string Center - probably 2nd string - and was already consistently starting at 21 y.o. on a bad team.

Brad may or may not value him as much as others, and of course TL is a better prospect, but no way was Moses just a throw-in for salary purposes. As nick and others have pointed out, OKC was easily enough below the cap.

[droopdog7]

Why would OKC trade horford for kemba, taking on more money in the process for a team not trying to win, and still include Brown if they thought he was worth anywhere close to a #1 pick?  Makes no sense right? 

Brown is basically a throw in; a project that has severe limitations that won't become a rotation player.  He's basically a different kind of Luke Kornet and issues are well known not just by the thunder but anyone that scouts.

For the celtics, why not, he's cheap and I guess you never know.  But Brown was NOT the equivalent of the first round pick.

[Wretch]

Brown was NOT the equivalent of the first round pick.

Considering it's basically coin flip that a mid or late first round pick can stick in the NBA, any young player that has proven they can play in the NBA is the definition of the equivalent to a mid to late first round pick.

[nickagneta]

Why would OKC trade horford for kemba, taking on more money in the process for a team not trying to win, and still include Brown if they thought he was worth anywhere close to a #1 pick?  Makes no sense right? 

Brown is basically a throw in; a project that has severe limitations that won't become a rotation player.  He's basically a different kind of Luke Kornet and issues are well known not just by the thunder but anyone that scouts.

For the celtics, why not, he's cheap and I guess you never know.  But Brown was NOT the equivalent of the first round pick.

Maybe Stevens was only willing to commit to a second rounder or two in a Horford for Kemba straight swap. Perhaps Stevens was only willing to include the first rounder if OKC gave up a prospect, like Brown or Isiah Roby.

There were negotiations and I am sure the final deal was a compromise, so it is entirely possible Brad wanted Brown and he was not simply a throw in.

[gift]

Why would OKC trade horford for kemba, taking on more money in the process for a team not trying to win, and still include Brown if they thought he was worth anywhere close to a #1 pick?  Makes no sense right? 

Brown is basically a throw in; a project that has severe limitations that won't become a rotation player.  He's basically a different kind of Luke Kornet and issues are well known not just by the thunder but anyone that scouts.

For the celtics, why not, he's cheap and I guess you never know.  But Brown was NOT the equivalent of the first round pick.

Maybe Stevens was only willing to commit to a second rounder or two in a Horford for Kemba straight swap. Perhaps Stevens was only willing to include the first rounder I'd OKC gave up a prospect, like Brown or Isiah Roby.

There were negotiations and I am sure the final deal was a compromise, so it is entirely possible Brad wanted Brown and he was not simply a throw in.

Yeah, when you look at all the value going each way in this trade it looks likely that Moses was a value piece (at least to some degree), not just a throw in.

[liam]

Why would OKC trade horford for kemba, taking on more money in the process for a team not trying to win, and still include Brown if they thought he was worth anywhere close to a #1 pick?  Makes no sense right? 

Brown is basically a throw in; a project that has severe limitations that won't become a rotation player.  He's basically a different kind of Luke Kornet and issues are well known not just by the thunder but anyone that scouts.

For the celtics, why not, he's cheap and I guess you never know.  But Brown was NOT the equivalent of the first round pick.

Maybe Stevens was only willing to commit to a second rounder or two in a Horford for Kemba straight swap. Perhaps Stevens was only willing to include the first rounder if OKC gave up a prospect, like Brown or Isiah Roby.

There were negotiations and I am sure the final deal was a compromise, so it is entirely possible Brad wanted Brown and he was not simply a throw in.

I really liked Roby coming out of college. He looked like a modern NBA big. He hasn't done much...

[gouki88]

Why would OKC trade horford for kemba, taking on more money in the process for a team not trying to win, and still include Brown if they thought he was worth anywhere close to a #1 pick?  Makes no sense right? 

Brown is basically a throw in; a project that has severe limitations that won't become a rotation player.  He's basically a different kind of Luke Kornet and issues are well known not just by the thunder but anyone that scouts.

For the celtics, why not, he's cheap and I guess you never know.  But Brown was NOT the equivalent of the first round pick.

He's already much better than Luke Kornet has ever been, is 21 and was starting most of last season. As much as he's not the equivalent of a FRP he's also not the equivalent of a 3rd big scrub

[nickagneta]

Why would OKC trade horford for kemba, taking on more money in the process for a team not trying to win, and still include Brown if they thought he was worth anywhere close to a #1 pick?  Makes no sense right? 

Brown is basically a throw in; a project that has severe limitations that won't become a rotation player.  He's basically a different kind of Luke Kornet and issues are well known not just by the thunder but anyone that scouts.

For the celtics, why not, he's cheap and I guess you never know.  But Brown was NOT the equivalent of the first round pick.

He's already much better than Luke Kornet has ever been, is 21 and was starting most of last season. As much as he's not the equivalent of a FRP he's also not the equivalent of a 3rd big scrub

Him and Timelord both on the squad makes me wonder if Udoka will bring in a big man coach to help develop and refine their games.