Moses Brown

[KG Living Legend]

You can’t really teach height and hustle, which this kid has a bundle of

Those two things together really raise the floor of a player.

TP to tstorey_97 for the breakdown.

 One of the reasons this kid would definitely go in the first round this years draft is his body development.

 7'2" 245 pounds 7'4" wingspan.  He literally looks like a different human than college.  And his legs are very well developed.  Makes timelord look like he has chicken legs.

 Great foundation.  I predict q healthy career based on his body and style of play. If timelord tears his ACL he's toast.

[liam]

You can’t really teach height and hustle, which this kid has a bundle of

Those two things together really raise the floor of a player.

TP to tstorey_97 for the breakdown.

 One of the reasons this kid would definitely go in the first round this years draft is his body development.

 7'2" 245 pounds 7'4" wingspan.  He literally looks like a different human than college.  And his legs are very well developed.  Makes timelord look like he has chicken legs.

 Great foundation.  I predict q healthy career based on his body and style of play. If timelord tears his ACL he's toast.

Size always seems to give Embiid second thoughts. He still gets his but it makes it harder for him. He doesn't go up against many guys that are his height. With Moses' activity, it will mean that Embiid has to account for him on the defense and offense ends. Making Embiid work the whole game tends to leave him gassed at the end of games.

[SHAQATTACK]

You can’t really teach height and hustle, which this kid has a bundle of

Those two things together really raise the floor of a player.

TP to tstorey_97 for the breakdown.

 One of the reasons this kid would definitely go in the first round this years draft is his body development.

 7'2" 245 pounds 7'4" wingspan.  He literally looks like a different human than college.  And his legs are very well developed.  Makes timelord look like he has chicken legs.

 Great foundation.  I predict q healthy career based on his body and style of play. If timelord tears his ACL he's toast.

Tp….yeah his body and quickness alone are worth chance drafting .  Hard for me to believe as he is today , he wouldn’t go in top 15 of a draft.

[Vermont Green]

How can you watch how Deandre Ayton has developed and not get excited about Moses Brown?  Ayton clearly has more overall talent and skill and has been ahead of him all along the way but they are similar players.  Both had one year of big time college basketball but Ayton has 3 seasons of NBA work (well, 2 plus a COVID season), where Brown really has only 1 partial season of real NBA experience.

Part of the reason that Ayton has more NBA experience is that he is better but some of those early Suns teams were not great teams.  There was an opportunity for a raw young player to get minutes, and opportunity that Brown did not get in Portland (and likely didn't earn).

The point is that even though Ayton does the things he does better right now (or at least more consistently), he is not doing any more than the things that Brown did last season on OKC.  Dunks, put backs, ally-oops, rebounding, setting picks, and blocking shots.  This is all Ayton can do but he did it well enough to impact a playoff game.

I agree Brown needs to improve but I don't think there needs to be a big push for him to expand his game.  The initial focus should be to get better and more  consistent with his core skill set, just be like Ayton, that is fine, great actually.

[Celtics2021]

You can’t really teach height and hustle, which this kid has a bundle of

Those two things together really raise the floor of a player.

TP to tstorey_97 for the breakdown.

 One of the reasons this kid would definitely go in the first round this years draft is his body development.

 7'2" 245 pounds 7'4" wingspan.  He literally looks like a different human than college.  And his legs are very well developed.  Makes timelord look like he has chicken legs.

 Great foundation.  I predict q healthy career based on his body and style of play. If timelord tears his ACL he's toast.

He was 7’2”, 238 at the combine 2 years ago.  That’s not monstrously different than where he is now.

I think he’s an okay prospect to have, but he feels much more like a second-rounder than a first-rounder to me.  Still, it’s not hard to envision him having a useful role on this team for the next 3 years, and at the minimum salary, that’s valuable.

[liam]

How can you watch how Deandre Ayton has developed and not get excited about Moses Brown?  Ayton clearly has more overall talent and skill and has been ahead of him all along the way but they are similar players.  Both had one year of big time college basketball but Ayton has 3 seasons of NBA work (well, 2 plus a COVID season), where Brown really has only 1 partial season of real NBA experience.

Part of the reason that Ayton has more NBA experience is that he is better but some of those early Suns teams were not great teams.  There was an opportunity for a raw young player to get minutes, and opportunity that Brown did not get in Portland (and likely didn't earn).

The point is that even though Ayton does the things he does better right now (or at least more consistently), he is not doing any more than the things that Brown did last season on OKC.  Dunks, put backs, ally-oops, rebounding, setting picks, and blocking shots.  This is all Ayton can do but he did it well enough to impact a playoff game.

I agree Brown needs to improve but I don't think there needs to be a big push for him to expand his game.  The initial focus should be to get better and more  consistent with his core skill set, just be like Ayton, that is fine, great actually.

Ayton also has a little 8-10 foot jump shot that Brown would do well to add. Having Chris Paul to play with has done wonders for Ayton.

[SHAQATTACK]

How can you watch how Deandre Ayton has developed and not get excited about Moses Brown?  Ayton clearly has more overall talent and skill and has been ahead of him all along the way but they are similar players.  Both had one year of big time college basketball but Ayton has 3 seasons of NBA work (well, 2 plus a COVID season), where Brown really has only 1 partial season of real NBA experience.

Part of the reason that Ayton has more NBA experience is that he is better but some of those early Suns teams were not great teams.  There was an opportunity for a raw young player to get minutes, and opportunity that Brown did not get in Portland (and likely didn't earn).

The point is that even though Ayton does the things he does better right now (or at least more consistently), he is not doing any more than the things that Brown did last season on OKC.  Dunks, put backs, ally-oops, rebounding, setting picks, and blocking shots.  This is all Ayton can do but he did it well enough to impact a playoff game.

I agree Brown needs to improve but I don't think there needs to be a big push for him to expand his game.  The initial focus should be to get better and more  consistent with his core skill set, just be like Ayton, that is fine, great actually.

Ayton also has a little 8-10 foot jump shot that Brown would do well to add. Having Chris Paul to play with has done wonders for Ayton.

Dang …you got ya thinking cap on today  tp

[Ogaju]

How can you watch how Deandre Ayton has developed and not get excited about Moses Brown?  Ayton clearly has more overall talent and skill and has been ahead of him all along the way but they are similar players.  Both had one year of big time college basketball but Ayton has 3 seasons of NBA work (well, 2 plus a COVID season), where Brown really has only 1 partial season of real NBA experience.

Part of the reason that Ayton has more NBA experience is that he is better but some of those early Suns teams were not great teams.  There was an opportunity for a raw young player to get minutes, and opportunity that Brown did not get in Portland (and likely didn't earn).

The point is that even though Ayton does the things he does better right now (or at least more consistently), he is not doing any more than the things that Brown did last season on OKC.  Dunks, put backs, ally-oops, rebounding, setting picks, and blocking shots.  This is all Ayton can do but he did it well enough to impact a playoff game.

I agree Brown needs to improve but I don't think there needs to be a big push for him to expand his game.  The initial focus should be to get better and more  consistent with his core skill set, just be like Ayton, that is fine, great actually.

Ayton also has a little 8-10 foot jump shot that Brown would do well to add. Having Chris Paul to play with has done wonders for Ayton.

That 8-10 foot jumper is a BIG difference. It is the difference between a max contract and a bench player.

[Sophomore]

You can’t really teach height and hustle, which this kid has a bundle of

Those two things together really raise the floor of a player.

TP to tstorey_97 for the breakdown.

 One of the reasons this kid would definitely go in the first round this years draft is his body development.

 7'2" 245 pounds 7'4" wingspan.  He literally looks like a different human than college.  And his legs are very well developed.  Makes timelord look like he has chicken legs.

 Great foundation.  I predict q healthy career based on his body and style of play. If timelord tears his ACL he's toast.

He was 7’2”, 238 at the combine 2 years ago.  That’s not monstrously different than where he is now.

I think he’s an okay prospect to have, but he feels much more like a second-rounder than a first-rounder to me.  Still, it’s not hard to envision him having a useful role on this team for the next 3 years, and at the minimum salary, that’s valuable.

This is right. His likely upside is cheap bench big.

If they plan to keep him, I’m pretty sure there’s going to be a lot of time spent trying to teach him the principles of rotation and help defense. C-blog did a deep dive on him - he’s got a lot to work on.

The Cs haven’t loved playing drop coverage; be interesting to see what Udoka will make of him. What scheme he’ll put in.

[rollie mass]

His contested rebound analyitics show his ability to mix it up underneath..Not having summer league was a detriment ,short training camp and pre season.Limited practice time and coaching..
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Lopez,Bynes,Horford became better three oint shooters.The kid is 21.
i think his using his length  instead of jumping through the roof like Timelord gives him a stronger base and more durability.Timelord with his contortions  sets himself up for hitting the deck.Moses free throw percentage is a liability.
Woking on footwork could pay huge dividends,drills on lateral movement,the access to coaches and Aeurbach center...
The film room and ,coaching staff,Al Horford.
His motor and willingness to mix it up. with 7-2 and 7-4 wingspan,stays grounded using his height a lengtn
defense can be taught positioning weakside help,he already keeps arms extended and gets down in an aggressive defensive stance,.Defense is about heart and desire being comfortable system  and your teammatesTime being in film room studying your opponents and knowing what offensive moves of individual and responces of their teammates.Not only knowing you own strengths and weaknesses but your teammates It took Timelord a couple of years for game to slow down
Brown has lower body mass and what seems to be core strength that could result in duability.
I have always been concerned fot Timlord and his landing awkwardly he is fearless dining for losse balls.
Another aspect of brown is his invaluable contract and the ability to get runs with the Maine Celtics. during homestands

[SHAQATTACK]

Moses

Take us to the promise land … and hang banner #18

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