Moses Brown

[Sophomore]

I believe Moses will have better future than Time Lord

Health is a wonderful thing

It is. Though if Rob can’t play because his health fails, even Luke Kornet or Kelly Olynyk has a better future, so that’s a low bar.

When healthy, Rob has shown a great deal more than Brown. Ppl who have watched Brown say he’s quite limited.

 https://twitter.com/AdamTaylorNBA/status/1406968826030395392?s=20

[jambr380]

Didn't see this posted. It was made a couple of months ago by an NBA YouTube guy. Tells the story of Moses' development from a young age into getting signed by the Thunder. Most of the highlights are high school and G-League, which is interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5adwZuGRqR0

[Kiorrik]

Hey - TP's to everyone sharing links with info about this guy.

I've kinda gotten excited about it by just watching the vids and reading up on articles and blogs and such.

Excellent sharing ♥

[86MaxwellSmart]

I like how he has his arms out on defense...the way Bill Walton always did.

I love it when big men do that. Shrink the court.

UCLA Big Men.

[Rikibellevie]

Meh. The fact that the Thunder valued more the 16 pock than his very cheap contract tells a lot about the potential they see in him. He is a better 3rd big option  than Tacko and maybe than Kornet but nothing exiting to me.

We dealt with a team who just want to regain value to some vets or undrafted to earn the max of value. We must not forget we selt Kemba and our pick low when they gave value to Al and Brown, Who had zero one year ago

[Surferdad]

Meh. The fact that the Thunder valued more the 16 pock than his very cheap contract tells a lot about the potential they see in him. He is a better 3rd big option  than Tacko and maybe than Kornet but nothing exiting to me.

We dealt with a team who just want to regain value to some vets or undrafted to earn the max of value. We must not forget we selt Kemba and our pick low when they gave value to Al and Brown, Who had zero one year ago

No, it doesn't.  Thunder are going after "shots on goal" but keep in mind that that #16 could turn out to be Guerschon Yabusele.  In fact, C's might value the #16 pick more than Brown too, but they don't want to pay a 1st round contract.  Moses is very cheap and probably better than Tacko.

[Somebody]

I still think Timelord is the solution at center.
Hopefully Timelord stays healthy. 
Glad to have insurance though

6'8 doesn't fill me with confidence at Center.

Cautiously optimistic about Brown.

Dray and Bam did ok. Also, height is a little misleading. Standing reach is more important - some players (like Rob) have long arms and short necks. His standing reach is reported as 9’4” or 9’5” - above average for an NBA center.

Average reach: http://www.draftexpress.com/average-measurements-by-position/2017/NBA+Draft+Combine/all/60/

P3 video that includes RW’s spider chart. 80% in standing reach for centers, 100% for leaping ability. https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en (h/t hoop vortex)

Rob is a unique player - aside from his hops, he’s got long arms and steadily improving court awareness. If we knew he would be durable I’d have zero concerns about that spot.

Height and length aren't the only things that are important for the centre position - Wes Unseld was 6'5.5 barefoot and ended up as an HoF centre thanks to his BBIQ, awareness and strength.

[Moranis]

I still think Timelord is the solution at center.
Hopefully Timelord stays healthy. 
Glad to have insurance though

6'8 doesn't fill me with confidence at Center.

Cautiously optimistic about Brown.

Dray and Bam did ok. Also, height is a little misleading. Standing reach is more important - some players (like Rob) have long arms and short necks. His standing reach is reported as 9’4” or 9’5” - above average for an NBA center.

Average reach: http://www.draftexpress.com/average-measurements-by-position/2017/NBA+Draft+Combine/all/60/

P3 video that includes RW’s spider chart. 80% in standing reach for centers, 100% for leaping ability. https://mobile.twitter.com/p3sportscience/status/1009124980523597825?lang=en (h/t hoop vortex)

Rob is a unique player - aside from his hops, he’s got long arms and steadily improving court awareness. If we knew he would be durable I’d have zero concerns about that spot.

Height and length aren't the only things that are important for the centre position - Wes Unseld was 6'5.5 barefoot and ended up as an HoF centre thanks to his BBIQ, awareness and strength.

Unseld also played in the 70's, which is the weakest decade in the sport's history and when numbers were still be inflated by high possessions and poor shooting.  I mean he led the league in rebounding in 75 with 14.8 rpg, but his TRB% was only 18.6.  For a comparison, Capela just led the league at 14.3, but his TRB% was 26.1. 

[Vermont Green]

Robert Williams is listed at 6'-8" on his ESPN profile.  Yes, he plays a "big" 6'-8" but that is still 6" less than Moses Brown who is listed at 7'-2".  I also agree with other comments that length is not the only important thing for an NBA center but come on, 7'-2" is way better than 6'-8".

I don't understand why OKC would give him up.  They may well know a lot more about his limitations than any of us but he does not seem like the kind of asset a rebuilding, start from scratch team like OKC would give up.

I would guess that we are going to try to trade Thompson to free up even more money but I am not sure where we can send him.  Maybe GSW?  Don't see how the $$$ would work though.  Is there a "Ideas to trade Thompson" thread?

[Moranis]

Robert Williams is listed at 6'-8" on his ESPN profile.  Yes, he plays a "big" 6'-8" but that is still 6" less than Moses Brown who is listed at 7'-2".  I also agree with other comments that length is not the only important thing for an NBA center but come on, 7'-2" is way better than 6'-8".

I don't understand why OKC would give him up.  They may well know a lot more about his limitations than any of us but he does not seem like the kind of asset a rebuilding, start from scratch team like OKC would give up.

I would guess that we are going to try to trade Thompson to free up even more money but I am not sure where we can send him.  Maybe GSW?  Don't see how the $$$ would work though.  Is there a "Ideas to trade Thompson" thread?

I don't think they gave him up necessarily, they just wanted the 1st round pick more.  And I think they probably wanted the 1st round pick more because I think they intend to dump Walker off on someone and believe they may need to include a 1st to do it (depending on the trade). 

[Rikibellevie]

Meh. The fact that the Thunder valued more the 16 pock than his very cheap contract tells a lot about the potential they see in him. He is a better 3rd big option  than Tacko and maybe than Kornet but nothing exiting to me.

We dealt with a team who just want to regain value to some vets or undrafted to earn the max of value. We must not forget we selt Kemba and our pick low when they gave value to Al and Brown, Who had zero one year ago

At one time (or even mutliple time) they have to cash in their picks in some trades. As Brown is locked with a ridiculous contract until 2024, they probably would have keep him, continue to give him value on playing in a lot in their tanking team and then trade him with picks and assets... If they saw good potential in him.
 The 16 pick is a little luck to find a usefull player but they even prefered this option than keeping Brown. For me it still tells a lot about his potential and just in looking his skills and limitations, we can imagine he isn't a high potential guy. Hope I am wrong, but this he is just our next Tacko+ for the next  years, nothing more. If in during draft night they give Kemba +  16 for Mitchell Robinson and frre all the Horford cap space, I guess this trade will look awfull. Horford and even Moses in some point solve some of our needs. But at Guard we are so weak right now, maybe the worst team in the league at this post with Smart/Pritchard. We will see.

[W8ting2McHale]

Robert Williams is listed at 6'-8" on his ESPN profile.  Yes, he plays a "big" 6'-8" but that is still 6" less than Moses Brown who is listed at 7'-2".  I also agree with other comments that length is not the only important thing for an NBA center but come on, 7'-2" is way better than 6'-8".

I don't understand why OKC would give him up.  They may well know a lot more about his limitations than any of us but he does not seem like the kind of asset a rebuilding, start from scratch team like OKC would give up.

I would guess that we are going to try to trade Thompson to free up even more money but I am not sure where we can send him.  Maybe GSW?  Don't see how the $$$ would work though.  Is there a "Ideas to trade Thompson" thread?

I don't think they gave him up necessarily, they just wanted the 1st round pick more.  And I think they probably wanted the 1st round pick more because I think they intend to dump Walker off on someone and believe they may need to include a 1st to do it (depending on the trade).

OKC, depending on how the lottery falls, will have a shot at Mobley. After that there are other center options if they need to use in of their 3 picks this year on one. If not, they have more next year for the same “process.”

[Vermont Green]

Robert Williams is listed at 6'-8" on his ESPN profile.  Yes, he plays a "big" 6'-8" but that is still 6" less than Moses Brown who is listed at 7'-2".  I also agree with other comments that length is not the only important thing for an NBA center but come on, 7'-2" is way better than 6'-8".

I don't understand why OKC would give him up.  They may well know a lot more about his limitations than any of us but he does not seem like the kind of asset a rebuilding, start from scratch team like OKC would give up.

I would guess that we are going to try to trade Thompson to free up even more money but I am not sure where we can send him.  Maybe GSW?  Don't see how the $$$ would work though.  Is there a "Ideas to trade Thompson" thread?

I don't think they gave him up necessarily, they just wanted the 1st round pick more.  And I think they probably wanted the 1st round pick more because I think they intend to dump Walker off on someone and believe they may need to include a 1st to do it (depending on the trade).

Thinking this through, if they are going to use the Celtics pick to dump Kemba on the Knicks (for example), then they really don't end up with anything from this trade.  They would have been better off to just stretch Horford, keep Moses Brown, and move on (plus or minus some second round picks).

We'll see how this works out with Walker and what they end up doing with the pick but as it stands, they are going to end up paying Walker about $30M more than it would have cost to just cut and stretch Horford.  Is it worth $30M to "upgrade" from Moses Brown to the 16th pick?

The only logical thing is that they must feel they can get something for Kemba Walker rather than just dumping him, and figured they couldn't get anything for Al Horford.  If not, this trades nets them nothing.

[CelticsWhat35]

Robert Williams is listed at 6'-8" on his ESPN profile.  Yes, he plays a "big" 6'-8" but that is still 6" less than Moses Brown who is listed at 7'-2".  I also agree with other comments that length is not the only important thing for an NBA center but come on, 7'-2" is way better than 6'-8".

I don't understand why OKC would give him up.  They may well know a lot more about his limitations than any of us but he does not seem like the kind of asset a rebuilding, start from scratch team like OKC would give up.

I would guess that we are going to try to trade Thompson to free up even more money but I am not sure where we can send him.  Maybe GSW?  Don't see how the $$$ would work though.  Is there a "Ideas to trade Thompson" thread?

I don't think they gave him up necessarily, they just wanted the 1st round pick more.  And I think they probably wanted the 1st round pick more because I think they intend to dump Walker off on someone and believe they may need to include a 1st to do it (depending on the trade).

Thinking this through, if they are going to use the Celtics pick to dump Kemba on the Knicks (for example), then they really don't end up with anything from this trade.  They would have been better off to just stretch Horford, keep Moses Brown, and move on (plus or minus some second round picks).

We'll see how this works out with Walker and what they end up doing with the pick but as it stands, they are going to end up paying Walker about $30M more than it would have cost to just cut and stretch Horford.  Is it worth $30M to "upgrade" from Moses Brown to the 16th pick?

The only logical thing is that they must feel they can get something for Kemba Walker rather than just dumping him, and figured they couldn't get anything for Al Horford.  If not, this trades nets them nothing.

I agree.  They’re trying to accumulate assets and the best way to do that is by taking on bad/worse contracts.  They’re not interested in freeing up cap space right now.  They’re going to either see if they can rehab Kemba’s value to get more in a trade, or trade him down the road for another worse contract in order to get more assets.

[Rikibellevie]

Robert Williams is listed at 6'-8" on his ESPN profile.  Yes, he plays a "big" 6'-8" but that is still 6" less than Moses Brown who is listed at 7'-2".  I also agree with other comments that length is not the only important thing for an NBA center but come on, 7'-2" is way better than 6'-8".

I don't understand why OKC would give him up.  They may well know a lot more about his limitations than any of us but he does not seem like the kind of asset a rebuilding, start from scratch team like OKC would give up.

I would guess that we are going to try to trade Thompson to free up even more money but I am not sure where we can send him.  Maybe GSW?  Don't see how the $$$ would work though.  Is there a "Ideas to trade Thompson" thread?

I don't think they gave him up necessarily, they just wanted the 1st round pick more.  And I think they probably wanted the 1st round pick more because I think they intend to dump Walker off on someone and believe they may need to include a 1st to do it (depending on the trade).

Thinking this through, if they are going to use the Celtics pick to dump Kemba on the Knicks (for example), then they really don't end up with anything from this trade.  They would have been better off to just stretch Horford, keep Moses Brown, and move on (plus or minus some second round picks).

We'll see how this works out with Walker and what they end up doing with the pick but as it stands, they are going to end up paying Walker about $30M more than it would have cost to just cut and stretch Horford.  Is it worth $30M to "upgrade" from Moses Brown to the 16th pick?

The only logical thing is that they must feel they can get something for Kemba Walker rather than just dumping him, and figured they couldn't get anything for Al Horford.  If not, this trades nets them nothing.

In doing that we could have (maybe) a young cheap role player in Mitchell Robinson, but surely a real room to make more moves or signings : 22 M under the salary cap and 45M under lux tax, with room to sign a FA (Lowry?), resign Fournier, one MLE big (Ibaka?) and still can use rests of TPE if Wyc allows lux tax. That would have been real felxibility and giving Stevens a hand to begin a real rebuild. Now it is just economy for the tax as I see it.We still have to give up pick(s) (hopefully) second to unload TT and get back the MLE. Sign a PG with it, resign (and overpay) Fournier. And we are there until next year.