Cryie wants Cs fans to forgive and forget….good luck with that!

[JohnBoy65]

Why are we still talking about Kyrie? His team lost to ours, he's on vacation, we're playing. Lets move on from him.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'll never forgive Cryee nor Ray.  The C's were lucky Cryee left.

I don't think it's fair to compare Ray to Kyrie. Ray never quit on anyone. He never lied and schemed behind his teammates backs. He sacrificed a lot of his game when he came to Boston to make things work, Kyrie woud never.

Agreed.  It's tough that he left for a rival, but Danny also tried to trade him to Memphis without notice, had given away his starting spot, and put him on the backburner in free agency.  If the man's ego was bruised, I get it, and his decision to leave won him a ring (which he greatly contributed to.)

The leaving was never the problem (or at least I hope that isn't what some of you hold over him), is that he went specifically to our biggest rivals at the time... a team that had just eliminated us from the playoffs no less. And he did it for less money than we offered on top of it. If that isn't a BS move from a player you're a fan of, I don't know what is. The relationship between a player and a fanbase is a special one, what Danny and ownership did or didn't do is really of little importance.

And it's the same reason why I hold little respect for Kevin Durant, despite how amazing he is on the basketball court.

except Boston was no longer a rival to Miami.  I mean that 1st season Ray was in Miami and they won the title, Boston was a 41-40 team that lost to the Knicks in 6 games in the 1st round and after that season Ray and PP were traded away.  Boston wasn't a contender anymore.  Ray knew it.  Ainge knew it.  It was only the fans that didn't understand it, so they unreasonably held that against Ray.

You the mean a season after the Celtics blew a 3-2 lead over Miami to eliminate them from the playoffs?

You mean a season in which Rondo missed the 2nd half of the season and playoffs and Doc was a "genius" in having Avery Bradley, with his Jaylen Brown dribble, as our PG?

Regardless, that team underperformed badly and I put a lot of it on how Doc coached it, in part on how he underutilized Lee and put him in the doghouse.

Doesn't matter though the appreciation on may or may not have on the Celtics future or that season in particular, it holds little to no weight on how I may feel about Ray going to LeBron's Miami.

[Moranis]

I'll never forgive Cryee nor Ray.  The C's were lucky Cryee left.

I don't think it's fair to compare Ray to Kyrie. Ray never quit on anyone. He never lied and schemed behind his teammates backs. He sacrificed a lot of his game when he came to Boston to make things work, Kyrie woud never.

Agreed.  It's tough that he left for a rival, but Danny also tried to trade him to Memphis without notice, had given away his starting spot, and put him on the backburner in free agency.  If the man's ego was bruised, I get it, and his decision to leave won him a ring (which he greatly contributed to.)

The leaving was never the problem (or at least I hope that isn't what some of you hold over him), is that he went specifically to our biggest rivals at the time... a team that had just eliminated us from the playoffs no less. And he did it for less money than we offered on top of it. If that isn't a BS move from a player you're a fan of, I don't know what is. The relationship between a player and a fanbase is a special one, what Danny and ownership did or didn't do is really of little importance.

And it's the same reason why I hold little respect for Kevin Durant, despite how amazing he is on the basketball court.

except Boston was no longer a rival to Miami.  I mean that 1st season Ray was in Miami and they won the title, Boston was a 41-40 team that lost to the Knicks in 6 games in the 1st round and after that season Ray and PP were traded away.  Boston wasn't a contender anymore.  Ray knew it.  Ainge knew it.  It was only the fans that didn't understand it, so they unreasonably held that against Ray.

You the mean a season after the Celtics blew a 3-2 lead over Miami to eliminate them from the playoffs?

You mean a season in which Rondo missed the 2nd half of the season and playoffs and Doc was a "genius" in having Avery Bradley, with his Jaylen Brown dribble, as our PG?

Regardless, that team underperformed badly and I put a lot of it on how Doc coached it, in part on how he underutilized Lee and put him in the doghouse.

Doesn't matter though the appreciation on may or may not have on the Celtics future or that season in particular, it holds little to no weight on how I may feel about Ray going to LeBron's Miami.

Sure in a series Chris Bosh didn't play the 1st 4 games and was just coming back from injury in the final 3.  The last 2 where Bosh was fairly healthy, Miami won both games easily (19 and 13 point wins).  The year before that, Miami beat Boston in 5 games.  The only real difference in the beginning of the 2012 ECF was Bosh being absent.  If Bosh hadn't been injured, Miami would have crushed Boston again just as they did the prior year.  Boston and Miami were not rivals.  The only 2 times they met in the playoffs (with their big 3's), Miami won and did so quite easily when they had their big 3 all healthy because they weren't old and washed up like Boston's trio was. 

And yeah, Rondo missed half of 2013, but they had a better record without Rondo, i.e. 18-20 with him, 23-20 without him and his last game was January 25th and Boston was 20-23 at that point and finished 21-17.  The C's were done as a contender after the 2010 season.  KG's knee injury in 2009 shrunk the window of actual contention significantly because that knee injury ended KG as a top 5 player.  2010 the big 3 were all still close enough to their prime, and there weren't any other really great teams, so they could get within a hair of a championship, but that was their last shot.  Had KG not injured his knee they would have had a much better shot in 2011 and 2012, but the Heat would have been favored as their trio were younger and quite frankly better. 

[gift]

I'll never forgive Cryee nor Ray.  The C's were lucky Cryee left.

I don't think it's fair to compare Ray to Kyrie. Ray never quit on anyone. He never lied and schemed behind his teammates backs. He sacrificed a lot of his game when he came to Boston to make things work, Kyrie woud never.

Agreed.  It's tough that he left for a rival, but Danny also tried to trade him to Memphis without notice, had given away his starting spot, and put him on the backburner in free agency.  If the man's ego was bruised, I get it, and his decision to leave won him a ring (which he greatly contributed to.)

The leaving was never the problem (or at least I hope that isn't what some of you hold over him), is that he went specifically to our biggest rivals at the time... a team that had just eliminated us from the playoffs no less. And he did it for less money than we offered on top of it. If that isn't a BS move from a player you're a fan of, I don't know what is. The relationship between a player and a fanbase is a special one, what Danny and ownership did or didn't do is really of little importance.

And it's the same reason why I hold little respect for Kevin Durant, despite how amazing he is on the basketball court.

except Boston was no longer a rival to Miami.  I mean that 1st season Ray was in Miami and they won the title, Boston was a 41-40 team that lost to the Knicks in 6 games in the 1st round and after that season Ray and PP were traded away.  Boston wasn't a contender anymore.  Ray knew it.  Ainge knew it.  It was only the fans that didn't understand it, so they unreasonably held that against Ray.

You the mean a season after the Celtics blew a 3-2 lead over Miami to eliminate them from the playoffs?

You mean a season in which Rondo missed the 2nd half of the season and playoffs and Doc was a "genius" in having Avery Bradley, with his Jaylen Brown dribble, as our PG?

Regardless, that team underperformed badly and I put a lot of it on how Doc coached it, in part on how he underutilized Lee and put him in the doghouse.

Doesn't matter though the appreciation on may or may not have on the Celtics future or that season in particular, it holds little to no weight on how I may feel about Ray going to LeBron's Miami.

Sure in a series Chris Bosh didn't play the 1st 4 games and was just coming back from injury in the final 3.  The last 2 where Bosh was fairly healthy, Miami won both games easily (19 and 13 point wins).  The year before that, Miami beat Boston in 5 games.  The only real difference in the beginning of the 2012 ECF was Bosh being absent.  If Bosh hadn't been injured, Miami would have crushed Boston again just as they did the prior year.  Boston and Miami were not rivals.  The only 2 times they met in the playoffs (with their big 3's), Miami won and did so quite easily when they had their big 3 all healthy because they weren't old and washed up like Boston's trio was. 

And yeah, Rondo missed half of 2013, but they had a better record without Rondo, i.e. 18-20 with him, 23-20 without him and his last game was January 25th and Boston was 20-23 at that point and finished 21-17.  The C's were done as a contender after the 2010 season.  KG's knee injury in 2009 shrunk the window of actual contention significantly because that knee injury ended KG as a top 5 player.  2010 the big 3 were all still close enough to their prime, and there weren't any other really great teams, so they could get within a hair of a championship, but that was their last shot.  Had KG not injured his knee they would have had a much better shot in 2011 and 2012, but the Heat would have been favored as their trio were younger and quite frankly better.

Miami did not "crush" Boston in 2011 though.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'll never forgive Cryee nor Ray.  The C's were lucky Cryee left.

I don't think it's fair to compare Ray to Kyrie. Ray never quit on anyone. He never lied and schemed behind his teammates backs. He sacrificed a lot of his game when he came to Boston to make things work, Kyrie woud never.

Agreed.  It's tough that he left for a rival, but Danny also tried to trade him to Memphis without notice, had given away his starting spot, and put him on the backburner in free agency.  If the man's ego was bruised, I get it, and his decision to leave won him a ring (which he greatly contributed to.)

The leaving was never the problem (or at least I hope that isn't what some of you hold over him), is that he went specifically to our biggest rivals at the time... a team that had just eliminated us from the playoffs no less. And he did it for less money than we offered on top of it. If that isn't a BS move from a player you're a fan of, I don't know what is. The relationship between a player and a fanbase is a special one, what Danny and ownership did or didn't do is really of little importance.

And it's the same reason why I hold little respect for Kevin Durant, despite how amazing he is on the basketball court.

except Boston was no longer a rival to Miami.  I mean that 1st season Ray was in Miami and they won the title, Boston was a 41-40 team that lost to the Knicks in 6 games in the 1st round and after that season Ray and PP were traded away.  Boston wasn't a contender anymore.  Ray knew it.  Ainge knew it.  It was only the fans that didn't understand it, so they unreasonably held that against Ray.

You the mean a season after the Celtics blew a 3-2 lead over Miami to eliminate them from the playoffs?

You mean a season in which Rondo missed the 2nd half of the season and playoffs and Doc was a "genius" in having Avery Bradley, with his Jaylen Brown dribble, as our PG?

Regardless, that team underperformed badly and I put a lot of it on how Doc coached it, in part on how he underutilized Lee and put him in the doghouse.

Doesn't matter though the appreciation on may or may not have on the Celtics future or that season in particular, it holds little to no weight on how I may feel about Ray going to LeBron's Miami.

Sure in a series Chris Bosh didn't play the 1st 4 games and was just coming back from injury in the final 3.  The last 2 where Bosh was fairly healthy, Miami won both games easily (19 and 13 point wins).  The year before that, Miami beat Boston in 5 games.  The only real difference in the beginning of the 2012 ECF was Bosh being absent.  If Bosh hadn't been injured, Miami would have crushed Boston again just as they did the prior year.  Boston and Miami were not rivals.  The only 2 times they met in the playoffs (with their big 3's), Miami won and did so quite easily when they had their big 3 all healthy because they weren't old and washed up like Boston's trio was. 

And yeah, Rondo missed half of 2013, but they had a better record without Rondo, i.e. 18-20 with him, 23-20 without him and his last game was January 25th and Boston was 20-23 at that point and finished 21-17.  The C's were done as a contender after the 2010 season.  KG's knee injury in 2009 shrunk the window of actual contention significantly because that knee injury ended KG as a top 5 player.  2010 the big 3 were all still close enough to their prime, and there weren't any other really great teams, so they could get within a hair of a championship, but that was their last shot.  Had KG not injured his knee they would have had a much better shot in 2011 and 2012, but the Heat would have been favored as their trio were younger and quite frankly better.

Well, Rondo also got his arm dislocated by Wade the previous year so... and whatever else was going on back then.

The semantics debate about what a rival is or isn't is meaningless. Suffice to say they were the Celtics roadblock at the time, and with LeBron in particular they DID have a rivalry throughout the years.

Anyways, all this is irrelevant.

[Moranis]

I'll never forgive Cryee nor Ray.  The C's were lucky Cryee left.

I don't think it's fair to compare Ray to Kyrie. Ray never quit on anyone. He never lied and schemed behind his teammates backs. He sacrificed a lot of his game when he came to Boston to make things work, Kyrie woud never.

Agreed.  It's tough that he left for a rival, but Danny also tried to trade him to Memphis without notice, had given away his starting spot, and put him on the backburner in free agency.  If the man's ego was bruised, I get it, and his decision to leave won him a ring (which he greatly contributed to.)

The leaving was never the problem (or at least I hope that isn't what some of you hold over him), is that he went specifically to our biggest rivals at the time... a team that had just eliminated us from the playoffs no less. And he did it for less money than we offered on top of it. If that isn't a BS move from a player you're a fan of, I don't know what is. The relationship between a player and a fanbase is a special one, what Danny and ownership did or didn't do is really of little importance.

And it's the same reason why I hold little respect for Kevin Durant, despite how amazing he is on the basketball court.

except Boston was no longer a rival to Miami.  I mean that 1st season Ray was in Miami and they won the title, Boston was a 41-40 team that lost to the Knicks in 6 games in the 1st round and after that season Ray and PP were traded away.  Boston wasn't a contender anymore.  Ray knew it.  Ainge knew it.  It was only the fans that didn't understand it, so they unreasonably held that against Ray.

You the mean a season after the Celtics blew a 3-2 lead over Miami to eliminate them from the playoffs?

You mean a season in which Rondo missed the 2nd half of the season and playoffs and Doc was a "genius" in having Avery Bradley, with his Jaylen Brown dribble, as our PG?

Regardless, that team underperformed badly and I put a lot of it on how Doc coached it, in part on how he underutilized Lee and put him in the doghouse.

Doesn't matter though the appreciation on may or may not have on the Celtics future or that season in particular, it holds little to no weight on how I may feel about Ray going to LeBron's Miami.

Sure in a series Chris Bosh didn't play the 1st 4 games and was just coming back from injury in the final 3.  The last 2 where Bosh was fairly healthy, Miami won both games easily (19 and 13 point wins).  The year before that, Miami beat Boston in 5 games.  The only real difference in the beginning of the 2012 ECF was Bosh being absent.  If Bosh hadn't been injured, Miami would have crushed Boston again just as they did the prior year.  Boston and Miami were not rivals.  The only 2 times they met in the playoffs (with their big 3's), Miami won and did so quite easily when they had their big 3 all healthy because they weren't old and washed up like Boston's trio was. 

And yeah, Rondo missed half of 2013, but they had a better record without Rondo, i.e. 18-20 with him, 23-20 without him and his last game was January 25th and Boston was 20-23 at that point and finished 21-17.  The C's were done as a contender after the 2010 season.  KG's knee injury in 2009 shrunk the window of actual contention significantly because that knee injury ended KG as a top 5 player.  2010 the big 3 were all still close enough to their prime, and there weren't any other really great teams, so they could get within a hair of a championship, but that was their last shot.  Had KG not injured his knee they would have had a much better shot in 2011 and 2012, but the Heat would have been favored as their trio were younger and quite frankly better.

Miami did not "crush" Boston in 2011 though.

They won in 5 games winning the games by 9, 11, 8, and 10, though the 8 point game was OT (so obviously close).  At no point did it look like Miami was going to lose the series (even after game 3's 16 point win by Boston).  Miami was just definitively better. 

[celticsclay]

I'll never forgive Cryee nor Ray.  The C's were lucky Cryee left.

I don't think it's fair to compare Ray to Kyrie. Ray never quit on anyone. He never lied and schemed behind his teammates backs. He sacrificed a lot of his game when he came to Boston to make things work, Kyrie woud never.

Agreed.  It's tough that he left for a rival, but Danny also tried to trade him to Memphis without notice, had given away his starting spot, and put him on the backburner in free agency.  If the man's ego was bruised, I get it, and his decision to leave won him a ring (which he greatly contributed to.)

The leaving was never the problem (or at least I hope that isn't what some of you hold over him), is that he went specifically to our biggest rivals at the time... a team that had just eliminated us from the playoffs no less. And he did it for less money than we offered on top of it. If that isn't a BS move from a player you're a fan of, I don't know what is. The relationship between a player and a fanbase is a special one, what Danny and ownership did or didn't do is really of little importance.

And it's the same reason why I hold little respect for Kevin Durant, despite how amazing he is on the basketball court.

except Boston was no longer a rival to Miami.  I mean that 1st season Ray was in Miami and they won the title, Boston was a 41-40 team that lost to the Knicks in 6 games in the 1st round and after that season Ray and PP were traded away.  Boston wasn't a contender anymore.  Ray knew it.  Ainge knew it.  It was only the fans that didn't understand it, so they unreasonably held that against Ray.

You the mean a season after the Celtics blew a 3-2 lead over Miami to eliminate them from the playoffs?

You mean a season in which Rondo missed the 2nd half of the season and playoffs and Doc was a "genius" in having Avery Bradley, with his Jaylen Brown dribble, as our PG?

Regardless, that team underperformed badly and I put a lot of it on how Doc coached it, in part on how he underutilized Lee and put him in the doghouse.

Doesn't matter though the appreciation on may or may not have on the Celtics future or that season in particular, it holds little to no weight on how I may feel about Ray going to LeBron's Miami.

Sure in a series Chris Bosh didn't play the 1st 4 games and was just coming back from injury in the final 3.  The last 2 where Bosh was fairly healthy, Miami won both games easily (19 and 13 point wins).  The year before that, Miami beat Boston in 5 games.  The only real difference in the beginning of the 2012 ECF was Bosh being absent.  If Bosh hadn't been injured, Miami would have crushed Boston again just as they did the prior year.  Boston and Miami were not rivals.  The only 2 times they met in the playoffs (with their big 3's), Miami won and did so quite easily when they had their big 3 all healthy because they weren't old and washed up like Boston's trio was. 

And yeah, Rondo missed half of 2013, but they had a better record without Rondo, i.e. 18-20 with him, 23-20 without him and his last game was January 25th and Boston was 20-23 at that point and finished 21-17.  The C's were done as a contender after the 2010 season.  KG's knee injury in 2009 shrunk the window of actual contention significantly because that knee injury ended KG as a top 5 player.  2010 the big 3 were all still close enough to their prime, and there weren't any other really great teams, so they could get within a hair of a championship, but that was their last shot.  Had KG not injured his knee they would have had a much better shot in 2011 and 2012, but the Heat would have been favored as their trio were younger and quite frankly better.

Miami did not "crush" Boston in 2011 though.

They won in 5 games winning the games by 9, 11, 8, and 10, though the 8 point game was OT (so obviously close).  At no point did it look like Miami was going to lose the series (even after game 3's 16 point win by Boston).  Miami was just definitively better.

I thought the forum had finally moved past debating this. At least we are not still visiting the perkins trade.

[gouki88]

I'll never forgive Cryee nor Ray.  The C's were lucky Cryee left.

I don't think it's fair to compare Ray to Kyrie. Ray never quit on anyone. He never lied and schemed behind his teammates backs. He sacrificed a lot of his game when he came to Boston to make things work, Kyrie woud never.

True. that infamous All-star game where Kyrie was plotting with KD in the hallway in front of the cameras. it was straight out of the WWE. You couldn't hear the words, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I remember thinking there was no way he could be so classless and stupid to be actually talking about changing teams during the season on national TV.

Boy, did I sell Kyrie short.

Can't imagine Ray - or anybody else, for that matter - being so disrespectful and narcissistic. In retrospect KD should have seen that as a major red flag regarding Kyrie's character and loyalty.

Yeah, I thought it absurd that the media would try and paint a basketballer as so villainous.

It turns out he's just a villain

[gouki88]

I'll never forgive Cryee nor Ray.  The C's were lucky Cryee left.

I don't think it's fair to compare Ray to Kyrie. Ray never quit on anyone. He never lied and schemed behind his teammates backs. He sacrificed a lot of his game when he came to Boston to make things work, Kyrie woud never.

Agreed.  It's tough that he left for a rival, but Danny also tried to trade him to Memphis without notice, had given away his starting spot, and put him on the backburner in free agency.  If the man's ego was bruised, I get it, and his decision to leave won him a ring (which he greatly contributed to.)

The leaving was never the problem (or at least I hope that isn't what some of you hold over him), is that he went specifically to our biggest rivals at the time... a team that had just eliminated us from the playoffs no less. And he did it for less money than we offered on top of it. If that isn't a BS move from a player you're a fan of, I don't know what is. The relationship between a player and a fanbase is a special one, what Danny and ownership did or didn't do is really of little importance.

And it's the same reason why I hold little respect for Kevin Durant, despite how amazing he is on the basketball court.

except Boston was no longer a rival to Miami.  I mean that 1st season Ray was in Miami and they won the title, Boston was a 41-40 team that lost to the Knicks in 6 games in the 1st round and after that season Ray and PP were traded away.  Boston wasn't a contender anymore.  Ray knew it.  Ainge knew it.  It was only the fans that didn't understand it, so they unreasonably held that against Ray.

You the mean a season after the Celtics blew a 3-2 lead over Miami to eliminate them from the playoffs?

You mean a season in which Rondo missed the 2nd half of the season and playoffs and Doc was a "genius" in having Avery Bradley, with his Jaylen Brown dribble, as our PG?

Regardless, that team underperformed badly and I put a lot of it on how Doc coached it, in part on how he underutilized Lee and put him in the doghouse.

Doesn't matter though the appreciation on may or may not have on the Celtics future or that season in particular, it holds little to no weight on how I may feel about Ray going to LeBron's Miami.

Sure in a series Chris Bosh didn't play the 1st 4 games and was just coming back from injury in the final 3.  The last 2 where Bosh was fairly healthy, Miami won both games easily (19 and 13 point wins).  The year before that, Miami beat Boston in 5 games.  The only real difference in the beginning of the 2012 ECF was Bosh being absent.  If Bosh hadn't been injured, Miami would have crushed Boston again just as they did the prior year.  Boston and Miami were not rivals.  The only 2 times they met in the playoffs (with their big 3's), Miami won and did so quite easily when they had their big 3 all healthy because they weren't old and washed up like Boston's trio was. 

And yeah, Rondo missed half of 2013, but they had a better record without Rondo, i.e. 18-20 with him, 23-20 without him and his last game was January 25th and Boston was 20-23 at that point and finished 21-17.  The C's were done as a contender after the 2010 season.  KG's knee injury in 2009 shrunk the window of actual contention significantly because that knee injury ended KG as a top 5 player.  2010 the big 3 were all still close enough to their prime, and there weren't any other really great teams, so they could get within a hair of a championship, but that was their last shot.  Had KG not injured his knee they would have had a much better shot in 2011 and 2012, but the Heat would have been favored as their trio were younger and quite frankly better.

Miami did not "crush" Boston in 2011 though.

They won in 5 games winning the games by 9, 11, 8, and 10, though the 8 point game was OT (so obviously close).  At no point did it look like Miami was going to lose the series (even after game 3's 16 point win by Boston).  Miami was just definitively better.

I thought the forum had finally moved past debating this. At least we are not still visiting the perkins trade.

Don't tempt them