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Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2019, 01:30:20 AM »

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It's almost certainly going to be busy.  This roster just doesn't work well together and whether or not we go after Davis, you should expect some big changes. 

Unless, of course, they surpass all reasonable expectations and make the Finals.
Or even win the Finals! ;D
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Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2019, 07:56:19 AM »

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Relatively quiet.

Bring back Kyrie, let Rozier and Morris walk, sign or draft some backup PG, sign an MLE PF or C (my preference is someone like Robin Lopez or similar), make 1 more draft selection, trade the other one for additional future picks, and then hope in the offseason Hayward gets to 100% (so that he can start more frequently and get back closer to his old self again) and roll with the team next season.

PG: Kyrie/?/Wanamaker
SG: Brown/Smart/?
SF: Tatum/Ojeyele/?
PF: Hayward/Theis/?/Yabusele
C: Horford/Baynes/MLE/Timelord

The ?'s are all filled out with draft acquisitions or other depth signings in the summer, so the roster will definitely look a lot better and more complete once those things are done (it's just hard to predict who those players are and will be exactly right now).
Does Kyrie stay if we dont get AD?  maybe if we do well in the playoffs.

I think as long as we aren't first round exits, he would stay. I personally think that while AD-Kyrie are great friends, their connection isn't as strong where they'd be willing to do anything at all to team up somewhere next season. With that said, Kyrie-Durant I feel have a much stronger connection and we obviously hear the rumors (especially with the Knicks), so that's worth watching.

But recent reports suggest even if Kyrie left, he'd prefer the Nets over the Knicks, or maybe even the Clippers. Same with KD. Not the Nets, but Clippers could really be his next destination where he can battle it out w/Lebron's Lakers in a fight for #1 player in NBA and the two LA teams.

My personal prediction is... Kyrie stays, KD goes to the Clippers, Kawhi stays, and AD gets traded to either Portland/New York. Lakers land no one in FA but trade for Beal (using 2 of Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma + Picks)

Dude why/how Portland?

Well it would also depend on how they do in the playoffs. If they suffer another disappointing, early exit, then I think they would make McCollum, picks and 1-2 young players available in a trade, which the Pelicans could take unless they're blown away by another offer. Who knows, maybe the Pelicans decide they want to semi-contend and add pieces around Holiday and others. McCollum would be a good add. Also, with Nurkic likely gone for a long time, they could use someone like AD for sure. I see Portland as a dark horse team that could acquire him.

But they don't have good picks and McCollum is good but not an all star and wasn't even the 2nd best player on his team this year.  I don't see how he's even close to more compelling than Tatum + Smart.

I see you mentioning you don't think we get AD, but I'm pretty sure DA is gonna go for it, and I'm pretty sure Portland can't beat what we'll offer.
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Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2019, 08:04:50 AM »

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Kawhi goes to the Clippers.

Durant stays but Green ends up in LAL

Kemba goes to NYK
Williamson goes to NYK

Davis, Moore, Wood end up in Boston for Hayward, Tatum, Memphis pick, Sacramento pick, LAC Pick, Boston pick 2020.

Irving stays put

McCollum gets traded to Orlando for Gordon

Klay stays in GS
Cousins stays in GS



Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2019, 08:30:01 AM »

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Kawhi goes to the Clippers.

Durant stays but Green ends up in LAL

Kemba goes to NYK
Williamson goes to NYK

Davis, Moore, Wood end up in Boston for Hayward, Tatum, Memphis pick, Sacramento pick, LAC Pick, Boston pick 2020.

Irving stays put

McCollum gets traded to Orlando for Gordon

Klay stays in GS
Cousins stays in GS
Why would Portland trade McCollum for Gordon?

I'd also really dislike trading Hayward as part of a Davis deal. Hayward is probably our best or second best play-maker and can score from all levels, so his offensive package is fairly unique for this team (outside of Kyrie). I'd rather try and sign and trade Rozier, or do some other sneaky cap maneuvering.

Also can't see DMC sticking in GS. Could see him going to Atlanta, especially if the Dallas pick conveys. Collins, Young, Huerter, Prince & two high lotto picks + Cousins is a fun team for Atlanta fans
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Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2019, 09:07:54 AM »

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Kawhi goes to the Clippers.

Durant stays but Green ends up in LAL

Kemba goes to NYK
Williamson goes to NYK

Davis, Moore, Wood end up in Boston for Hayward, Tatum, Memphis pick, Sacramento pick, LAC Pick, Boston pick 2020.

Irving stays put

McCollum gets traded to Orlando for Gordon

Klay stays in GS
Cousins stays in GS
Why would Portland trade McCollum for Gordon?

I'd also really dislike trading Hayward as part of a Davis deal. Hayward is probably our best or second best play-maker and can score from all levels, so his offensive package is fairly unique for this team (outside of Kyrie). I'd rather try and sign and trade Rozier, or do some other sneaky cap maneuvering.

Also can't see DMC sticking in GS. Could see him going to Atlanta, especially if the Dallas pick conveys. Collins, Young, Huerter, Prince & two high lotto picks + Cousins is a fun team for Atlanta fans

Portland makes the trade, imo, cause they need another bigman desparately.
Gordon is young, athletic, and locked up on a super friendly deal. Turner, Hood, Curry all could step in as the starter/4th man in the pecking order.

Atlanta would be a fun team with Cousins, but cousins has to want to go there.

Hayward is a pretty decent piece, but Smart is really really good playing beside Kyrie and is a very capable playmaker, in fact, he would be 3rd playmaker in the lineup because with the addition of Davis, Horfords playmaking will take a step forward.

With a lineup of Kyrie, Horford and Davis you need 2 guys who can play defense on the wings, hit shots and be content with being the 4th/5th options on offense, Hayward needs the ball too much to play off of Davis/Horford and Irving...imo.


Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2019, 10:01:11 AM »

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I expect a lot of action and a lot of changes

Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2019, 11:11:06 AM »

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Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2019, 11:11:56 AM »

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Relatively quiet.

Bring back Kyrie, let Rozier and Morris walk, sign or draft some backup PG, sign an MLE PF or C (my preference is someone like Robin Lopez or similar), make 1 more draft selection, trade the other one for additional future picks, and then hope in the offseason Hayward gets to 100% (so that he can start more frequently and get back closer to his old self again) and roll with the team next season.

PG: Kyrie/?/Wanamaker
SG: Brown/Smart/?
SF: Tatum/Ojeyele/?
PF: Hayward/Theis/?/Yabusele
C: Horford/Baynes/MLE/Timelord

The ?'s are all filled out with draft acquisitions or other depth signings in the summer, so the roster will definitely look a lot better and more complete once those things are done (it's just hard to predict who those players are and will be exactly right now).
Does Kyrie stay if we dont get AD?  maybe if we do well in the playoffs.

I think as long as we aren't first round exits, he would stay. I personally think that while AD-Kyrie are great friends, their connection isn't as strong where they'd be willing to do anything at all to team up somewhere next season. With that said, Kyrie-Durant I feel have a much stronger connection and we obviously hear the rumors (especially with the Knicks), so that's worth watching.

But recent reports suggest even if Kyrie left, he'd prefer the Nets over the Knicks, or maybe even the Clippers. Same with KD. Not the Nets, but Clippers could really be his next destination where he can battle it out w/Lebron's Lakers in a fight for #1 player in NBA and the two LA teams.

My personal prediction is... Kyrie stays, KD goes to the Clippers, Kawhi stays, and AD gets traded to either Portland/New York. Lakers land no one in FA but trade for Beal (using 2 of Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma + Picks)

I think Portland could've made sense if Nurkic didn't get hurt. I think a package of Nurkic, Harkless and a couple picks for Davis would've been a good deal for both sides. Portland would've had a threesome of Lillard, McCollum and Davis.

But with Nurkic out, I don't see the two teams matching up on a trade. Also, I don't think the Wizards deal Beal to the Lakers. Ingram's health right now is a very sensitive situation and I just don't see him being thrown around in trade rumors. Plus I think Lonzo Ball has depreciating trade value. Only team I could see having interest in him is a team like Phoenix.

Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2019, 11:15:32 AM »

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Kawhi goes to the Clippers.

Durant stays but Green ends up in LAL

Kemba goes to NYK
Williamson goes to NYK

Davis, Moore, Wood end up in Boston for Hayward, Tatum, Memphis pick, Sacramento pick, LAC Pick, Boston pick 2020.

Irving stays put

McCollum gets traded to Orlando for Gordon

Klay stays in GS
Cousins stays in GS
Why would Portland trade McCollum for Gordon?

I'd also really dislike trading Hayward as part of a Davis deal. Hayward is probably our best or second best play-maker and can score from all levels, so his offensive package is fairly unique for this team (outside of Kyrie). I'd rather try and sign and trade Rozier, or do some other sneaky cap maneuvering.

Also can't see DMC sticking in GS. Could see him going to Atlanta, especially if the Dallas pick conveys. Collins, Young, Huerter, Prince & two high lotto picks + Cousins is a fun team for Atlanta fans

I think the better question is why would Orlando trade Aaron Gordon for CJ McCollum?  Aaron Gordon has turned in a very good NBA player and one that not many seem to talk about. It's hard to find very athletic power forwards like Gordon who can stretch the floor, knock down shoots and be productive in the paint. There's a reason he was drafted 4th in the 2014 NBA draft (just two spots ahead of Marcus.)

Plus, Orlando already has a shooting guard in Fournier.
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Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2019, 12:32:35 PM »

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Kawhi goes to the Clippers.

Durant stays but Green ends up in LAL

Kemba goes to NYK
Williamson goes to NYK

Davis, Moore, Wood end up in Boston for Hayward, Tatum, Memphis pick, Sacramento pick, LAC Pick, Boston pick 2020.

Irving stays put

McCollum gets traded to Orlando for Gordon

Klay stays in GS
Cousins stays in GS
Why would Portland trade McCollum for Gordon?

I'd also really dislike trading Hayward as part of a Davis deal. Hayward is probably our best or second best play-maker and can score from all levels, so his offensive package is fairly unique for this team (outside of Kyrie). I'd rather try and sign and trade Rozier, or do some other sneaky cap maneuvering.

Also can't see DMC sticking in GS. Could see him going to Atlanta, especially if the Dallas pick conveys. Collins, Young, Huerter, Prince & two high lotto picks + Cousins is a fun team for Atlanta fans

I think the better question is why would Orlando trade Aaron Gordon for CJ McCollum?  Aaron Gordon has turned in a very good NBA player and one that not many seem to talk about. It's hard to find very athletic power forwards like Gordon who can stretch the floor, knock down shoots and be productive in the paint. There's a reason he was drafted 4th in the 2014 NBA draft (just two spots ahead of Marcus.)

Plus, Orlando already has a shooting guard in Fournier.
I think the best question is why, when New Orleans has said they want excellent young prospects, draft picks and salary relief, would New Orleans take Hayward in a trade with over $60 million still owed him. The Pels front office isn't taking on Hayward's contract.

Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2019, 12:38:48 PM »

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Kawhi goes to the Clippers.

Durant stays but Green ends up in LAL

Kemba goes to NYK
Williamson goes to NYK

Davis, Moore, Wood end up in Boston for Hayward, Tatum, Memphis pick, Sacramento pick, LAC Pick, Boston pick 2020.

Irving stays put

McCollum gets traded to Orlando for Gordon

Klay stays in GS
Cousins stays in GS
Why would Portland trade McCollum for Gordon?

I'd also really dislike trading Hayward as part of a Davis deal. Hayward is probably our best or second best play-maker and can score from all levels, so his offensive package is fairly unique for this team (outside of Kyrie). I'd rather try and sign and trade Rozier, or do some other sneaky cap maneuvering.

Also can't see DMC sticking in GS. Could see him going to Atlanta, especially if the Dallas pick conveys. Collins, Young, Huerter, Prince & two high lotto picks + Cousins is a fun team for Atlanta fans

I think the better question is why would Orlando trade Aaron Gordon for CJ McCollum?  Aaron Gordon has turned in a very good NBA player and one that not many seem to talk about. It's hard to find very athletic power forwards like Gordon who can stretch the floor, knock down shoots and be productive in the paint. There's a reason he was drafted 4th in the 2014 NBA draft (just two spots ahead of Marcus.)

Plus, Orlando already has a shooting guard in Fournier.
I think the best question is why, when New Orleans has said they want excellent young prospects, draft picks and salary relief, would New Orleans take Hayward in a trade with over $60 million still owed him. The Pels front office isn't taking on Hayward's contract.

U honestly think pelicans will get everything they ask for?

No. They wont

kawhi nevee close to what some think davis will. And leonard is by far the superior player


Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2019, 01:17:38 PM »

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Kawhi goes to the Clippers.

Durant stays but Green ends up in LAL

Kemba goes to NYK
Williamson goes to NYK

Davis, Moore, Wood end up in Boston for Hayward, Tatum, Memphis pick, Sacramento pick, LAC Pick, Boston pick 2020.

Irving stays put

McCollum gets traded to Orlando for Gordon

Klay stays in GS
Cousins stays in GS
Why would Portland trade McCollum for Gordon?

I'd also really dislike trading Hayward as part of a Davis deal. Hayward is probably our best or second best play-maker and can score from all levels, so his offensive package is fairly unique for this team (outside of Kyrie). I'd rather try and sign and trade Rozier, or do some other sneaky cap maneuvering.

Also can't see DMC sticking in GS. Could see him going to Atlanta, especially if the Dallas pick conveys. Collins, Young, Huerter, Prince & two high lotto picks + Cousins is a fun team for Atlanta fans

I think the better question is why would Orlando trade Aaron Gordon for CJ McCollum?  Aaron Gordon has turned in a very good NBA player and one that not many seem to talk about. It's hard to find very athletic power forwards like Gordon who can stretch the floor, knock down shoots and be productive in the paint. There's a reason he was drafted 4th in the 2014 NBA draft (just two spots ahead of Marcus.)

Plus, Orlando already has a shooting guard in Fournier.
I think the best question is why, when New Orleans has said they want excellent young prospects, draft picks and salary relief, would New Orleans take Hayward in a trade with over $60 million still owed him. The Pels front office isn't taking on Hayward's contract.

The Pels are going to have to take back somewhere in the neighborhood of $30 mil in any trade. If the rest of Boston's offer is better than anyone else's then why not? I guess the answer to that question would be "Hayward is so toxic he can't be moved after the fact" but I don't think that's true.

Of course, the best bet would be rope a 3rd team, with cap space, into the deal and route Hayward there for some other minor asset to give to NO.
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Re: Busy offseason or quiet
« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2019, 01:21:59 PM »

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Kawhi goes to the Clippers.

Durant stays but Green ends up in LAL

Kemba goes to NYK
Williamson goes to NYK

Davis, Moore, Wood end up in Boston for Hayward, Tatum, Memphis pick, Sacramento pick, LAC Pick, Boston pick 2020.

Irving stays put

McCollum gets traded to Orlando for Gordon

Klay stays in GS
Cousins stays in GS
Why would Portland trade McCollum for Gordon?

I'd also really dislike trading Hayward as part of a Davis deal. Hayward is probably our best or second best play-maker and can score from all levels, so his offensive package is fairly unique for this team (outside of Kyrie). I'd rather try and sign and trade Rozier, or do some other sneaky cap maneuvering.

Also can't see DMC sticking in GS. Could see him going to Atlanta, especially if the Dallas pick conveys. Collins, Young, Huerter, Prince & two high lotto picks + Cousins is a fun team for Atlanta fans

I think the better question is why would Orlando trade Aaron Gordon for CJ McCollum?  Aaron Gordon has turned in a very good NBA player and one that not many seem to talk about. It's hard to find very athletic power forwards like Gordon who can stretch the floor, knock down shoots and be productive in the paint. There's a reason he was drafted 4th in the 2014 NBA draft (just two spots ahead of Marcus.)

Plus, Orlando already has a shooting guard in Fournier.
I think the best question is why, when New Orleans has said they want excellent young prospects, draft picks and salary relief, would New Orleans take Hayward in a trade with over $60 million still owed him. The Pels front office isn't taking on Hayward's contract.

U honestly think pelicans will get everything they ask for?

No. They wont

kawhi nevee close to what some think davis will. And leonard is by far the superior player
Dude, they might not get everything they want, so they may not get cap relief, but they certainly aren't going to make their cap situation worse!!!

Boston could give them Tatum, Smart, Yabusele and 2 1st rounders so New Orleans gets the young talent and picks(not 4 picks) and not cap relief. So they aren't getting everything they want.

But, in the deal I suggest, the Celtics aren't expecting the Pels to pick up two years and $60 million on a contract that could be an albatross if Hayward never gets back to being Utah Hayward.