Busy offseason or quiet

[nickagneta]

Your assumption that the Celtics won't already have "definite assurances" from Kyrie before the draft is a terrible assumption. Ainge is a shrewd business man. He will absolutely, without a doubt, have "definite assurances" of Kyrie's willingness to be a long term Celtic before a deal with New Orleans goes down.

I mean, I'm not sure how 'definite" it can be when Kyrie literally won't be allowed to sign an actual contract yet.

Yes, I am aware that handshake, wink-wink deals get made all the time, but I'm not sure I would trust Kyrie's camp on anything like that until the time has actually come to sign and he puts his name on the line, so to speak.

Your trust of Kyrie in unimportant. Danny's trust of Kyrie is what is important. My guess is Danny already has definite assurances regarding what Kyrie will do this off season and really that is all that matters.

[Phantom255x]

Relatively quiet.

Bring back Kyrie, let Rozier and Morris walk, sign or draft some backup PG, sign an MLE PF or C (my preference is someone like Robin Lopez or similar), make 1 more draft selection, trade the other one for additional future picks, and then hope in the offseason Hayward gets to 100% (so that he can start more frequently and get back closer to his old self again) and roll with the team next season.

PG: Kyrie/?/Wanamaker
SG: Brown/Smart/?
SF: Tatum/Ojeyele/?
PF: Hayward/Theis/?/Yabusele
C: Horford/Baynes/MLE/Timelord

The ?'s are all filled out with draft acquisitions or other depth signings in the summer, so the roster will definitely look a lot better and more complete once those things are done (it's just hard to predict who those players are and will be exactly right now).

Does Kyrie stay if we dont get AD?  maybe if we do well in the playoffs.

I think as long as we aren't first round exits, he would stay. I personally think that while AD-Kyrie are great friends, their connection isn't as strong where they'd be willing to do anything at all to team up somewhere next season. With that said, Kyrie-Durant I feel have a much stronger connection and we obviously hear the rumors (especially with the Knicks), so that's worth watching.

But recent reports suggest even if Kyrie left, he'd prefer the Nets over the Knicks, or maybe even the Clippers. Same with KD. Not the Nets, but Clippers could really be his next destination where he can battle it out w/Lebron's Lakers in a fight for #1 player in NBA and the two LA teams.

My personal prediction is... Kyrie stays, KD goes to the Clippers, Kawhi stays, and AD gets traded to either Portland/New York. Lakers land no one in FA but trade for Beal (using 2 of Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma + Picks)

[SparzWizard]

Relatively quiet.

Bring back Kyrie, let Rozier and Morris walk, sign or draft some backup PG, sign an MLE PF or C (my preference is someone like Robin Lopez or similar), make 1 more draft selection, trade the other one for additional future picks, and then hope in the offseason Hayward gets to 100% (so that he can start more frequently and get back closer to his old self again) and roll with the team next season.

PG: Kyrie/?/Wanamaker
SG: Brown/Smart/?
SF: Tatum/Ojeyele/?
PF: Hayward/Theis/?/Yabusele
C: Horford/Baynes/MLE/Timelord

The ?'s are all filled out with draft acquisitions or other depth signings in the summer, so the roster will definitely look a lot better and more complete once those things are done (it's just hard to predict who those players are and will be exactly right now).

Does Kyrie stay if we dont get AD?  maybe if we do well in the playoffs.

I think as long as we aren't first round exits, he would stay. I personally think that while AD-Kyrie are great friends, their connection isn't as strong where they'd be willing to do anything at all to team up somewhere next season. With that said, Kyrie-Durant I feel have a much stronger connection and we obviously hear the rumors (especially with the Knicks), so that's worth watching.

But recent reports suggest even if Kyrie left, he'd prefer the Nets over the Knicks, or maybe even the Clippers. Same with KD. Not the Nets, but Clippers could really be his next destination where he can battle it out w/Lebron's Lakers in a fight for #1 player in NBA and the two LA teams.

My personal prediction is... Kyrie stays, KD goes to the Clippers, Kawhi stays, and AD gets traded to either Portland/New York. Lakers land no one in FA but trade for Beal (using 2 of Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma + Picks)

Sounds about right. It'd be a quiet offseason for Boston. Anthony Davis does not go as planned. Celtics move forward with Irving, Tatum, Brown.

I just hope Morris and Rozier are not on this team after October.

[Birdman]

All depends on Kyrie..if he stays, may see a different team..if he goes i say they kept same players plus their 3 picks

[PhoSita]

Your assumption that the Celtics won't already have "definite assurances" from Kyrie before the draft is a terrible assumption. Ainge is a shrewd business man. He will absolutely, without a doubt, have "definite assurances" of Kyrie's willingness to be a long term Celtic before a deal with New Orleans goes down.

I mean, I'm not sure how 'definite" it can be when Kyrie literally won't be allowed to sign an actual contract yet.

Yes, I am aware that handshake, wink-wink deals get made all the time, but I'm not sure I would trust Kyrie's camp on anything like that until the time has actually come to sign and he puts his name on the line, so to speak.

Your trust of Kyrie in unimportant. Danny's trust of Kyrie is what is important. My guess is Danny already has definite assurances regarding what Kyrie will do this off season and really that is all that matters.

I would guess that Danny has a very good idea from Kyrie's people what Kyrie plans to do.

It will be very interesting to see if the team pushes forward with a hard drive to trade for Anthony Davis around the time of the draft.

If they don't, I will take that as a sign that Kyrie has not given them the assurance they want that Kyrie is going to sign long term.

[nickagneta]

Your assumption that the Celtics won't already have "definite assurances" from Kyrie before the draft is a terrible assumption. Ainge is a shrewd business man. He will absolutely, without a doubt, have "definite assurances" of Kyrie's willingness to be a long term Celtic before a deal with New Orleans goes down.

I mean, I'm not sure how 'definite" it can be when Kyrie literally won't be allowed to sign an actual contract yet.

Yes, I am aware that handshake, wink-wink deals get made all the time, but I'm not sure I would trust Kyrie's camp on anything like that until the time has actually come to sign and he puts his name on the line, so to speak.

Your trust of Kyrie in unimportant. Danny's trust of Kyrie is what is important. My guess is Danny already has definite assurances regarding what Kyrie will do this off season and really that is all that matters.

I would guess that Danny has a very good idea from Kyrie's people what Kyrie plans to do.

It will be very interesting to see if the team pushes forward with a hard drive to trade for Anthony Davis around the time of the draft.

If they don't, I will take that as a sign that Kyrie has not given them the assurance they want that Kyrie is going to sign long term.

Kyrie's definite assurance could well be conditional. His assurance could be: "Get Davis and I sign long term and together we will get Davis to stay long term. But if you can't get AD, I am moving on".

[Celtics4ever]

It's going to be busy, if Kyrie stays or goes.    One way you will have a trade the other a ton of picks and roster maneuvering.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

No offense to anyone, but I'm gonna go with option 3: I don't really care.

When we're promised fireworks, we don't get fireworks (not for several years, anyway). When something finally does happen, it backfires via injuries (Kyrie and Hayward) or lack of chemistry (Kyrie and the young guys). Even if the Cs get Davis, he tends to be a bit injury prone, and may be gone after only one season anyway.

And given how this season has gone, my consequently lowered expectations for this season's team, and the likelihood that the Celtics will continue to see high turnover for at least one more season, I'm not expecting anything truly special from the Cs until at least next year's postseason, maybe not even until the year after that.

I get it.

This general sense of dejection and not trusting that the team will live up to expectations, or that players that we like right now will still be on the team in six months, really eats into any kind of emotional attachment and/or any strong optimism related to the team.


That's why my #1 desire would be to see the team finally settle down with a core group of players who are locked up long term and that the franchise commits to building around for the next few years, at least.  I'm so tired of fireworks always being right around the corner, the line always being "Well, if you don't like the team now, just wait because we might pull off a major deal and upgrade again!"


As I've said plenty of times recently, I'd take a stable, likable, disciplined, well-coached, non-dysfunctional team with a lower ceiling over a volatile, star-laden, constantly-griping team that is frequently bad and annoying but is talented enough to keep people hoping that they might finally figure it out.  Following a team like that makes me feel like a fan of the Knicks or Lakers or Wizards.

I agree—picking a specific direction and sticking with it could go a long way toward helping fans (not to mention going a long way toward helping the players on the team).

[Big333223]

Your assumption that the Celtics won't already have "definite assurances" from Kyrie before the draft is a terrible assumption. Ainge is a shrewd business man. He will absolutely, without a doubt, have "definite assurances" of Kyrie's willingness to be a long term Celtic before a deal with New Orleans goes down.

I mean, I'm not sure how 'definite" it can be when Kyrie literally won't be allowed to sign an actual contract yet.

Yes, I am aware that handshake, wink-wink deals get made all the time, but I'm not sure I would trust Kyrie's camp on anything like that until the time has actually come to sign and he puts his name on the line, so to speak.

Your trust of Kyrie in unimportant. Danny's trust of Kyrie is what is important. My guess is Danny already has definite assurances regarding what Kyrie will do this off season and really that is all that matters.

I would guess that Danny has a very good idea from Kyrie's people what Kyrie plans to do.

It will be very interesting to see if the team pushes forward with a hard drive to trade for Anthony Davis around the time of the draft.

If they don't, I will take that as a sign that Kyrie has not given them the assurance they want that Kyrie is going to sign long term.

For all of the "Ainge is a snake" talk there is out there and all of the lying that Danny does in the media, my sense is that he's pretty straight-forward with the players and he has a sense of trust from them. I think about when Crowder waited to re-sign so the Celtics could have their optimal order of operations in terms of new signings that summer. There are definitely players that wouldn't have waited around to put pen to paper and teams that wouldn't have had the trust of a player to get that leeway.

Danny isn't an exec holed up in an office somewhere. He's on the practice court with them and says he talks to Kyrie every day. He called Jaylen to ask his opinion on Jayson before the draft, which was a genius move.

Whatever is going to happen with Kyrie this summer, my bet is Ainge won't be shocked. And if Ainge is shocked, then Kyrie is a bigger loose cannon than I thought, which is possible.

[PhoSita]

Your assumption that the Celtics won't already have "definite assurances" from Kyrie before the draft is a terrible assumption. Ainge is a shrewd business man. He will absolutely, without a doubt, have "definite assurances" of Kyrie's willingness to be a long term Celtic before a deal with New Orleans goes down.

I mean, I'm not sure how 'definite" it can be when Kyrie literally won't be allowed to sign an actual contract yet.

Yes, I am aware that handshake, wink-wink deals get made all the time, but I'm not sure I would trust Kyrie's camp on anything like that until the time has actually come to sign and he puts his name on the line, so to speak.

Your trust of Kyrie in unimportant. Danny's trust of Kyrie is what is important. My guess is Danny already has definite assurances regarding what Kyrie will do this off season and really that is all that matters.

I would guess that Danny has a very good idea from Kyrie's people what Kyrie plans to do.

It will be very interesting to see if the team pushes forward with a hard drive to trade for Anthony Davis around the time of the draft.

If they don't, I will take that as a sign that Kyrie has not given them the assurance they want that Kyrie is going to sign long term.

Kyrie's definite assurance could well be conditional. His assurance could be: "Get Davis and I sign long term and together we will get Davis to stay long term. But if you can't get AD, I am moving on".

Part of my thinking here is that Kyrie may well have indicated that he intends to re-sign, but that is not the same thing as making clear whether he's going to re-sign for just one or two guaranteed years with a player option, or if he'll be signing a three or four year deal and be locked in.

[SHAQATTACK]

Super busy

Only Hayward and Stevens are certain return . Beyond that ...anybody is fair game to attain Dannys goals.  Not even my favs of Time Lord and Smart are at all safe.  Sniffle sniffle ...

This team could look very unfamiliar next year ...with guys like Irving and Davis in the mix no telling what happens .

Will be interesting to see how all this shakes out .   

[smokeablount]

Relatively quiet.

Bring back Kyrie, let Rozier and Morris walk, sign or draft some backup PG, sign an MLE PF or C (my preference is someone like Robin Lopez or similar), make 1 more draft selection, trade the other one for additional future picks, and then hope in the offseason Hayward gets to 100% (so that he can start more frequently and get back closer to his old self again) and roll with the team next season.

PG: Kyrie/?/Wanamaker
SG: Brown/Smart/?
SF: Tatum/Ojeyele/?
PF: Hayward/Theis/?/Yabusele
C: Horford/Baynes/MLE/Timelord

The ?'s are all filled out with draft acquisitions or other depth signings in the summer, so the roster will definitely look a lot better and more complete once those things are done (it's just hard to predict who those players are and will be exactly right now).

Does Kyrie stay if we dont get AD?  maybe if we do well in the playoffs.

I think as long as we aren't first round exits, he would stay. I personally think that while AD-Kyrie are great friends, their connection isn't as strong where they'd be willing to do anything at all to team up somewhere next season. With that said, Kyrie-Durant I feel have a much stronger connection and we obviously hear the rumors (especially with the Knicks), so that's worth watching.

But recent reports suggest even if Kyrie left, he'd prefer the Nets over the Knicks, or maybe even the Clippers. Same with KD. Not the Nets, but Clippers could really be his next destination where he can battle it out w/Lebron's Lakers in a fight for #1 player in NBA and the two LA teams.

My personal prediction is... Kyrie stays, KD goes to the Clippers, Kawhi stays, and AD gets traded to either Portland/New York. Lakers land no one in FA but trade for Beal (using 2 of Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma + Picks)

Dude why/how Portland?

[nickagneta]

Your assumption that the Celtics won't already have "definite assurances" from Kyrie before the draft is a terrible assumption. Ainge is a shrewd business man. He will absolutely, without a doubt, have "definite assurances" of Kyrie's willingness to be a long term Celtic before a deal with New Orleans goes down.

I mean, I'm not sure how 'definite" it can be when Kyrie literally won't be allowed to sign an actual contract yet.

Yes, I am aware that handshake, wink-wink deals get made all the time, but I'm not sure I would trust Kyrie's camp on anything like that until the time has actually come to sign and he puts his name on the line, so to speak.

Your trust of Kyrie in unimportant. Danny's trust of Kyrie is what is important. My guess is Danny already has definite assurances regarding what Kyrie will do this off season and really that is all that matters.

I would guess that Danny has a very good idea from Kyrie's people what Kyrie plans to do.

It will be very interesting to see if the team pushes forward with a hard drive to trade for Anthony Davis around the time of the draft.

If they don't, I will take that as a sign that Kyrie has not given them the assurance they want that Kyrie is going to sign long term.

Kyrie's definite assurance could well be conditional. His assurance could be: "Get Davis and I sign long term and together we will get Davis to stay long term. But if you can't get AD, I am moving on".

Part of my thinking here is that Kyrie may well have indicated that he intends to re-sign, but that is not the same thing as making clear whether he's going to re-sign for just one or two guaranteed years with a player option, or if he'll be signing a three or four year deal and be locked in.

Do you really believe that Danny Ainge would settle for: "Yes, Danny I will re-sign" from Kyrie without talking the details of the contract? Come on now. You are talking about one of the best minds in basketball not some bumbling fool of a New York Knick GM.

[Phantom255x]

Relatively quiet.

Bring back Kyrie, let Rozier and Morris walk, sign or draft some backup PG, sign an MLE PF or C (my preference is someone like Robin Lopez or similar), make 1 more draft selection, trade the other one for additional future picks, and then hope in the offseason Hayward gets to 100% (so that he can start more frequently and get back closer to his old self again) and roll with the team next season.

PG: Kyrie/?/Wanamaker
SG: Brown/Smart/?
SF: Tatum/Ojeyele/?
PF: Hayward/Theis/?/Yabusele
C: Horford/Baynes/MLE/Timelord

The ?'s are all filled out with draft acquisitions or other depth signings in the summer, so the roster will definitely look a lot better and more complete once those things are done (it's just hard to predict who those players are and will be exactly right now).

Does Kyrie stay if we dont get AD?  maybe if we do well in the playoffs.

I think as long as we aren't first round exits, he would stay. I personally think that while AD-Kyrie are great friends, their connection isn't as strong where they'd be willing to do anything at all to team up somewhere next season. With that said, Kyrie-Durant I feel have a much stronger connection and we obviously hear the rumors (especially with the Knicks), so that's worth watching.

But recent reports suggest even if Kyrie left, he'd prefer the Nets over the Knicks, or maybe even the Clippers. Same with KD. Not the Nets, but Clippers could really be his next destination where he can battle it out w/Lebron's Lakers in a fight for #1 player in NBA and the two LA teams.

My personal prediction is... Kyrie stays, KD goes to the Clippers, Kawhi stays, and AD gets traded to either Portland/New York. Lakers land no one in FA but trade for Beal (using 2 of Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma + Picks)

Dude why/how Portland?

Well it would also depend on how they do in the playoffs. If they suffer another disappointing, early exit, then I think they would make McCollum, picks and 1-2 young players available in a trade, which the Pelicans could take unless they're blown away by another offer. Who knows, maybe the Pelicans decide they want to semi-contend and add pieces around Holiday and others. McCollum would be a good add. Also, with Nurkic likely gone for a long time, they could use someone like AD for sure. I see Portland as a dark horse team that could acquire him.

[LarBrd33]

It's almost certainly going to be busy.  This roster just doesn't work well together and whether or not we go after Davis, you should expect some big changes. 

Unless, of course, they surpass all reasonable expectations and make the Finals.