Wannamaker is still better than Rozier

[Celtics4ever]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

[gouki88]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

[mobilija]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

This^
TP

[Triplenickle]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

You can see other point guards flaws reeeal good, can't you?  I remember you reluctantly saying Kyrie was selfish, so tell me...how in the world is a teams floor general being selfish not a very bad thing for a team looking to contend?  Compounded with his glaring defensive deficiencies, and poor shot selection?
He's also the biggest ballstopper that yall seem to hate, and has the ball 3 times as much as the other players you guys complain about.
But no need to answer though...

[Monkhouse]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

Where did I say Wanamaker was better than Rozier? I simply said Wanamaker is a better bench PG, because he knows his role. Rozier doesn't, and that is the main difference.

Rozier's FG % has always been awful, but comparing Allen Iverson to him? Really? Come on Celtics4ever, you can do better than that.

[mobilija]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

You can see other point guards flaws reeeal good, can't you?  I remember you reluctantly saying Kyrie was selfish, so tell me...how in the world is a teams floor general being selfish not a very bad thing for a team looking to contend?  Compounded with his glaring defensive deficiencies, and poor shot selection?
He's also the biggest ballstopper that yall seem to hate, and has the ball 3 times as much as the other players you guys complain about.
But no need to answer though...

Huh? Are you responding in the wrong thread? This one is Wannamaker vs Rozier thread.

Or maybe any thread is good opportunity for Kyrie complaints and railing against posters w a different opinion than yours...

[hwangjini_1]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

but, but, but...if they both are in a vacuum, wouldn't they be exactly the same in basketball skills since both would be dead?   

[Triplenickle]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

You can see other point guards flaws reeeal good, can't you?  I remember you reluctantly saying Kyrie was selfish, so tell me...how in the world is a teams floor general being selfish not a very bad thing for a team looking to contend?  Compounded with his glaring defensive deficiencies, and poor shot selection?
He's also the biggest ballstopper that yall seem to hate, and has the ball 3 times as much as the other players you guys complain about.
But no need to answer though...

Huh? Are you responding in the wrong thread? This one is Wannamaker vs Rozier thread.

Or maybe any thread is good opportunity for Kyrie complaints and railing against posters w a different opinion than yours...

Nah, that was for Gouki88. I was just messing with him because he see's everything wrong with everyone except Kyrie.

[gouki88]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

You can see other point guards flaws reeeal good, can't you?  I remember you reluctantly saying Kyrie was selfish, so tell me...how in the world is a teams floor general being selfish not a very bad thing for a team looking to contend?  Compounded with his glaring defensive deficiencies, and poor shot selection?
He's also the biggest ballstopper that yall seem to hate, and has the ball 3 times as much as the other players you guys complain about.
But no need to answer though...

Ah, fantastic, more anti-Kyrie nonsense. Kyrie is selfish insofar as we need him to be, considering nobody has been a consistent number 2. You then go on to talk about "glaring defensive deficiencies", even though he's massively improved at taking charges, picking passing lanes and team defence generally. It's not poor shot selection when you shoot with elite efficiency, as Kyrie does.
And no, he isn't our biggest ballstopper. He isn't even close. No matter what people say you won't change your opinion though. Maybe he has the ball more because he's night and day our best offensive player?

I'm not sure why I'm responding, because I know you're going to ignore all my points and dismiss them as "being unable to see Kyrie's flaws", but that's whatever. Not sure how you could fail to realise that All-NBA players have less flaws than role players

[Triplenickle]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

You can see other point guards flaws reeeal good, can't you?  I remember you reluctantly saying Kyrie was selfish, so tell me...how in the world is a teams floor general being selfish not a very bad thing for a team looking to contend?  Compounded with his glaring defensive deficiencies, and poor shot selection?
He's also the biggest ballstopper that yall seem to hate, and has the ball 3 times as much as the other players you guys complain about.
But no need to answer though...

Ah, fantastic, more anti-Kyrie nonsense. Kyrie is selfish insofar as we need him to be, considering nobody has been a consistent number 2. You then go on to talk about "glaring defensive deficiencies", even though he's massively improved at taking charges, picking passing lanes and team defence generally. It's not poor shot selection when you shoot with elite efficiency, as Kyrie does.
And no, he isn't our biggest ballstopper. He isn't even close. No matter what people say you won't change your opinion though. Maybe he has the ball more because he's night and day our best offensive player?

I'm not sure why I'm responding, because I know you're going to ignore all my points and dismiss them as "being unable to see Kyrie's flaws", but that's whatever. Not sure how you could fail to realise that All-NBA players have less flaws than role players

You know, I wouldn't even pick on his defense at all if he would just be an elite distributor because he EASILY can do that and he does when he feels like it. The fact that he refuses and lets his coach and teammates down is what irks me so much. If he wasn't able...I wouldn't even be on him...but he could have the highest assist count in the league if he wanted. Even 12 a game...but he's just annoying and hardheaded.

So when he switches and runs out on people and they blow by him atleast 10 times a game it just looks dumb

But i'm gonna leave yall alone. I don't even watch those fools anymore

[Chris22]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I do. Wanamaker is a better shooter and passer.

Rozier dribbles around aimlessly and shoots 38% from the field.

He plays because he has a bigger contract.

[gouki88]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

You can see other point guards flaws reeeal good, can't you?  I remember you reluctantly saying Kyrie was selfish, so tell me...how in the world is a teams floor general being selfish not a very bad thing for a team looking to contend?  Compounded with his glaring defensive deficiencies, and poor shot selection?
He's also the biggest ballstopper that yall seem to hate, and has the ball 3 times as much as the other players you guys complain about.
But no need to answer though...

Ah, fantastic, more anti-Kyrie nonsense. Kyrie is selfish insofar as we need him to be, considering nobody has been a consistent number 2. You then go on to talk about "glaring defensive deficiencies", even though he's massively improved at taking charges, picking passing lanes and team defence generally. It's not poor shot selection when you shoot with elite efficiency, as Kyrie does.
And no, he isn't our biggest ballstopper. He isn't even close. No matter what people say you won't change your opinion though. Maybe he has the ball more because he's night and day our best offensive player?

I'm not sure why I'm responding, because I know you're going to ignore all my points and dismiss them as "being unable to see Kyrie's flaws", but that's whatever. Not sure how you could fail to realise that All-NBA players have less flaws than role players

You know, I wouldn't even pick on his defense at all if he would just be an elite distributor because he EASILY can do that and he does when he feels like it. The fact that he refuses and lets his coach and teammates down is what irks me so much. If he wasn't able...I wouldn't even be on him...but he could have the highest assist count in the league if he wanted. Even 12 a game...but he's just annoying and hardheaded.

So when he switches and runs out on people and they blow by him atleast 10 times a game it just looks dumb

But i'm gonna leave yall alone. I don't even watch those fools anymore

Rofl. Maybe if his teammates didn't routinely let him down when he passed it to them he'd do that?

Again, just pure nonsense. If you wanted to back up your claims with any sort of evidence I'd be happy to listen, but you have none.

If you don't watch them how can you pretend to know what's going on?

[Sophomore]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I do. Wanamaker is a better shooter and passer.

Rozier dribbles around aimlessly and shoots 38% from the field.

He plays because he has a bigger contract.

TR has much more athletic talent, and I think the team keeps hoping he’ll figure out how to unlock it. At this point I’d rather give his minutes to Wanamaker, whose floor is higher.

[smokeablount]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I would think (or hope) that nobody thinks Wanamaker is better in a vacuum than Rozier is, because that argument really doesn't hold up at all.

There's a definite argument that Wanamaker is better for this team though

You can see other point guards flaws reeeal good, can't you?  I remember you reluctantly saying Kyrie was selfish, so tell me...how in the world is a teams floor general being selfish not a very bad thing for a team looking to contend?  Compounded with his glaring defensive deficiencies, and poor shot selection?
He's also the biggest ballstopper that yall seem to hate, and has the ball 3 times as much as the other players you guys complain about.
But no need to answer though...

Ah, fantastic, more anti-Kyrie nonsense. Kyrie is selfish insofar as we need him to be, considering nobody has been a consistent number 2. You then go on to talk about "glaring defensive deficiencies", even though he's massively improved at taking charges, picking passing lanes and team defence generally. It's not poor shot selection when you shoot with elite efficiency, as Kyrie does.
And no, he isn't our biggest ballstopper. He isn't even close. No matter what people say you won't change your opinion though. Maybe he has the ball more because he's night and day our best offensive player?

I'm not sure why I'm responding, because I know you're going to ignore all my points and dismiss them as "being unable to see Kyrie's flaws", but that's whatever. Not sure how you could fail to realise that All-NBA players have less flaws than role players

You know, I wouldn't even pick on his defense at all if he would just be an elite distributor because he EASILY can do that and he does when he feels like it. The fact that he refuses and lets his coach and teammates down is what irks me so much. If he wasn't able...I wouldn't even be on him...but he could have the highest assist count in the league if he wanted. Even 12 a game...but he's just annoying and hardheaded.

So when he switches and runs out on people and they blow by him atleast 10 times a game it just looks dumb

But i'm gonna leave yall alone. I don't even watch those fools anymore

Rofl. Maybe if his teammates didn't routinely let him down when he passed it to them he'd do that?

Again, just pure nonsense. If you wanted to back up your claims with any sort of evidence I'd be happy to listen, but you have none.

If you don't watch them how can you pretend to know what's going on?

TP, keep fighting the good fight.

[Chris22]

Wanamaker is a better shooter and a better passer and a better point guard.

Terry is a better rebounder and a 38% shooter.

Wanamaker is a better player.

Wanamaker only gets 8.7 MPG and is a 29 year old rookie,   I explains the reasons for that your argument didn't work last time and won't this time as well.  Talent trumps all. 

Any player that shoots under 40% and is a guard shouldn't ever be in any discussion of who is 'better.'

So your telling me Allen Iverson who hovered around that or slightly above line was a dud?   

This is his best scoring season

  https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01/gamelog/2002/

How about Marcus Smart for four of his five seasons he was under this shooting percentage

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Do you want to axe him?   

I am telling you, I live in the Midwest and outside of Beantown,   no one believes that Wanamaker is better.

I do. Wanamaker is a better shooter and passer.

Rozier dribbles around aimlessly and shoots 38% from the field.

He plays because he has a bigger contract.

TR has much more athletic talent, and I think the team keeps hoping he’ll figure out how to unlock it. At this point I’d rather give his minutes to Wanamaker, whose floor is higher.

Some guys can shoot, some can't.

Rozier can't. Wanamaker can.