The Kyrie Irving free agency thread(to sign 4yr/$141M w/Nets page 105)

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The Celtics from what I have heard engaged pretty seriously on Clint Capella... have had some level of talks with Terry Rozier on a new deal. Everything is very fluid at this stage in the draft/trade process. It's finding out what you can do.

Please gawd no, not Capela 😢

Capela is not tye worst name listed there.

Terry is absolute trash.


And if no moves are made....and Kyrie does not return....why on earth woupd you start terry over either Brown or Smart? Cause one of those 2 will most likely have to go to the bench to give the martyr terry rozier what he deserves.


Honestly the team can draft NAW and have a better player, who is a better fit, on a far cheaper contract

No Capela is far worse than Terry

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Capela makes no sense to me. Willliams is Capela in another year. Plus the salary you have to give up to get Capela. Smart?  That would be horrible trade off.

We don't know what Williams is going to be. We hope that he will develop, but he's still very young and raw. Capela is a known quantity and if all it costs us is Rozier, it's a good deal.

No it’s not a good deal. Capela is really really Bad on offense you just don’t understand.  Rob has at least showed somewhere that he can shoot as well as pass. I don’t think you realize how little it is that Capela does. If you watch his highlights it’s literally all OPEN dunks. He’s really really bad.

[SparzWizard]

Capela makes no sense to me. Willliams is Capela in another year. Plus the salary you have to give up to get Capela. Smart?  That would be horrible trade off.

We don't know what Williams is going to be. We hope that he will develop, but he's still very young and raw. Capela is a known quantity and if all it costs us is Rozier, it's a good deal.

No it’s not a good deal. Capela is really really Bad on offense you just don’t understand.  Rob has at least showed somewhere that he can shoot as well as pass. I don’t think you realize how little it is that Capela does. If you watch his highlights it’s literally all OPEN dunks. He’s really really bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbVsay2Stvg

29/21 against GSW this year. Seems like maybe a bruiser and interior scoring is what the Celtics need, not anymore 3-point shooting or jumpers. If he gets doubled up, just dish it out to your open man outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwsEAUFVPWw
26/11 against ATL. He can lay it in at the rim and can draw fouls.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Capela makes no sense to me. Willliams is Capela in another year. Plus the salary you have to give up to get Capela. Smart?  That would be horrible trade off.

We don't know what Williams is going to be. We hope that he will develop, but he's still very young and raw. Capela is a known quantity and if all it costs us is Rozier, it's a good deal.

No it’s not a good deal. Capela is really really Bad on offense you just don’t understand.  Rob has at least showed somewhere that he can shoot as well as pass. I don’t think you realize how little it is that Capela does. If you watch his highlights it’s literally all OPEN dunks. He’s really really bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbVsay2Stvg

29/21 against GSW this year. Seems like maybe a bruiser and interior scoring is what the Celtics need, not anymore 3-point shooting or jumpers. If he gets doubled up, just dish it out to your open man outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwsEAUFVPWw
26/11 against ATL. He can lay it in at the rim and can draw fouls.

Bruiser? He’s open.....you see how bad he struggled when he was getting hardly double teamed in the paint? Like these highlights are impressive to you? He’s legit being spoon fed, he’s not Any good. He’s only open because Harden and Paul draw so much attention. Show me a game where harden and paul aren’t playing. Lol this guy is really not goood folks.

And the rare times he does score in contract (soft layup) do you pay attention to who he does it on?

[ObjectivityOverBias]

Unless he can get AD, I would go to LA if I were Kyrie.

These finals should be showing Kyrie something. Miniature point guards do not carry teams to titles on their own. Throughout history, there has always been a A to the point guard being the 1-A; or at least another player just as good.

Duncan/Parker
Isaiah/Dumars
Curry/KD

Point guards are rarely, if ever the best player on championship teams. Kyrie should be watching Curry, & his second round exit realizing that there is no shame in a pg needed an "A."

A pgs job is to dictate the game, get others involve, not to be the A-guy. If a PG is your A-guy, you are in trouble. See A-llen Iverson.

If Kyrie were not hurt, GSW would never had a ring until they got KD. We would have 2 rings most likely. When Kyrie came back & drained the GW in Curry's face, he had to run to get his A-guy, KD.

It is funny how Curry gets a pass for needed his A guy, but Kyrie is bashed by the media for needed an A-guy. Curry has not proven to be a "A-guy" on a championship team unless the team is missing their second best player.

He never won finals MVP for a reason.

[Silky]

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The Celtics from what I have heard engaged pretty seriously on Clint Capella... have had some level of talks with Terry Rozier on a new deal. Everything is very fluid at this stage in the draft/trade process. It's finding out what you can do.

Please gawd no, not Capela 😢

Capela is not tye worst name listed there.

Terry is absolute trash.


And if no moves are made....and Kyrie does not return....why on earth woupd you start terry over either Brown or Smart? Cause one of those 2 will most likely have to go to the bench to give the martyr terry rozier what he deserves.


Honestly the team can draft NAW and have a better player, who is a better fit, on a far cheaper contract

No Capela is far worse than Terry

I dont believe anyone who dosnt have the last name Rozier would agree with you.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Steve Kyler
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The Celtics from what I have heard engaged pretty seriously on Clint Capella... have had some level of talks with Terry Rozier on a new deal. Everything is very fluid at this stage in the draft/trade process. It's finding out what you can do.

Please gawd no, not Capela 😢

Capela is not tye worst name listed there.

Terry is absolute trash.


And if no moves are made....and Kyrie does not return....why on earth woupd you start terry over either Brown or Smart? Cause one of those 2 will most likely have to go to the bench to give the martyr terry rozier what he deserves.


Honestly the team can draft NAW and have a better player, who is a better fit, on a far cheaper contract

No Capela is far worse than Terry

I dont believe anyone who dosnt have the last name Rozier would agree with you.

Ok ok so you are telling me that Terry Rozier has no talent or potential, this is what you’re telling me correct?

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The Celtics from what I have heard engaged pretty seriously on Clint Capella... have had some level of talks with Terry Rozier on a new deal. Everything is very fluid at this stage in the draft/trade process. It's finding out what you can do.

Please gawd no, not Capela 😢

Capela is not tye worst name listed there.

Terry is absolute trash.


And if no moves are made....and Kyrie does not return....why on earth woupd you start terry over either Brown or Smart? Cause one of those 2 will most likely have to go to the bench to give the martyr terry rozier what he deserves.


Honestly the team can draft NAW and have a better player, who is a better fit, on a far cheaper contract

No Capela is far worse than Terry

I dont believe anyone who dosnt have the last name Rozier would agree with you.

Ok ok so you are telling me that Terry Rozier has no talent or potential, this is what you’re telling me correct?

I think what he’s telling you is that he disagrees that Capela is far worse than Rozier.

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The Celtics from what I have heard engaged pretty seriously on Clint Capella... have had some level of talks with Terry Rozier on a new deal. Everything is very fluid at this stage in the draft/trade process. It's finding out what you can do.

Please gawd no, not Capela 😢

Capela is not tye worst name listed there.

Terry is absolute trash.


And if no moves are made....and Kyrie does not return....why on earth woupd you start terry over either Brown or Smart? Cause one of those 2 will most likely have to go to the bench to give the martyr terry rozier what he deserves.


Honestly the team can draft NAW and have a better player, who is a better fit, on a far cheaper contract

No Capela is far worse than Terry

I dont believe anyone who dosnt have the last name Rozier would agree with you.

Ok ok so you are telling me that Terry Rozier has no talent or potential, this is what you’re telling me correct?

Wow. Way to really reach with conclusions.


And no. But when compared to capela rozier his hit garbage.

Lets compare him to value in his own team.

Irving
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Hayward
Morris
Baynes

All easily ahead of rozier. Imo wannamaker performed better. So that put rozier at best the 8th best player on his own team.

In regards to pgs rozier would fall in the 30th plus range
Curry
Lillard
Westbrook
Irving
Simmons
Winslow
Doncic
Augustine
Paul
Kemba
Fox
White
Wall
Shai
Sexton
Schroder
Rubio
Jackson
Rose
Dinwiddle
Russell
Bledsoe
Murray
Lorwy
Young
Conley
Smart

And all of those guys put up better numbers than roziers best 18 games in his career.


I would challenge you to find 7 centers in the nba better than Capela.

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The Celtics from what I have heard engaged pretty seriously on Clint Capella... have had some level of talks with Terry Rozier on a new deal. Everything is very fluid at this stage in the draft/trade process. It's finding out what you can do.

Please gawd no, not Capela 😢

Capela is not tye worst name listed there.

Terry is absolute trash.


And if no moves are made....and Kyrie does not return....why on earth woupd you start terry over either Brown or Smart? Cause one of those 2 will most likely have to go to the bench to give the martyr terry rozier what he deserves.


Honestly the team can draft NAW and have a better player, who is a better fit, on a far cheaper contract

No Capela is far worse than Terry

I dont believe anyone who dosnt have the last name Rozier would agree with you.

Ok ok so you are telling me that Terry Rozier has no talent or potential, this is what you’re telling me correct?

Nobody even wrote that, lol.

In what world is Terry Rozier, a mediocre backup, better than a 16/13 big man? I'm not even a fan of Capela

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The Celtics from what I have heard engaged pretty seriously on Clint Capella... have had some level of talks with Terry Rozier on a new deal. Everything is very fluid at this stage in the draft/trade process. It's finding out what you can do.

Please gawd no, not Capela 😢

Capela is not tye worst name listed there.

Terry is absolute trash.


And if no moves are made....and Kyrie does not return....why on earth woupd you start terry over either Brown or Smart? Cause one of those 2 will most likely have to go to the bench to give the martyr terry rozier what he deserves.


Honestly the team can draft NAW and have a better player, who is a better fit, on a far cheaper contract

No Capela is far worse than Terry

I dont believe anyone who dosnt have the last name Rozier would agree with you.

Ok ok so you are telling me that Terry Rozier has no talent or potential, this is what you’re telling me correct?

What I can say, is I just don't like Rozier as a player. Also not sure I like him as a person either. He came off as very cocky in those interviews he did after the season when made himself seem like a sacrificial lamb. What does he expect? He's a back-up guard.

[mmmmm]

Ultimately, I think Ainge should stick with the game plan....pair up Kyrie and Davis.

Just get it done.

I think it's out of Danny's hands.

I know Kyrie is the master of his own destiny.

But I think there's a certain pitch Ainge can make to convince him to come back.

What would that pitch look like, do you think?

Something along the lines of getting AD and asking him what other player he'd like to play with.

Then either tying to acquire that player or at least assuring him that he'll do his very best to continue to build the team around him and getting the best talent possible. And also assuring him that the team will have more clearly defined roles unlike this past season.

And a five-year max contract doesn't exactly hurt either.

I'm dubious though, if Kyrie is going to want that.   In order to maximize his total earnings, he most likely will want to sign a new max contract after he has become a 10-year veteran because then the base salary is based on 35% of the salary cap, as opposed to the 30% he can get right now.

That would suggest a 2 year contract if he stays with BOS or a 3-year deal if he goes elsewhere (because he'll want to vest his Bird Rights.

So whether he stays or goes, most likely he'll want a short contract in order to do that.  He'll still be young enough (28 or 29) to probably still command a max contract.

Assuming he plays through his age 34 season, then ironically, he can probably make just slightly more money if he does the 3-year plan (meaning, go elsewhere other than BOS).   That's because in that scenario, he'd be making a mammoth max contract salary in that final age 34 season.  If he does the 2-year plan, then he'd have to get a new contract to play his age 34 season and that likely won't be near a max salary.

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Centers better than Capella?

Horford
Davis
Cousins(once healthy)
Marc Gasol
Drummond
Embiid
Gobert
Jokic
Nurkic
Towns
Vucevic
Ayton
Adams
Collins
Aldridge

That's off the top of my head

[gpap]

Centers better than Capella?

Horford
Davis
Cousins(once healthy)
Marc Gasol
Drummond
Embiid
Gobert
Jokic
Nurkic
Towns
Vucevic
Ayton
Adams
Collins
Aldridge

That's off the top of my head

And with the exception of Davis and Horford (who's already on the team), none of those centers are available. And Al Horford is a power forward. You know who Capela is better than? Theis, Baynes and Robin Williams.

[gouki88]

Centers better than Capella?

Horford
Davis
Cousins(once healthy)
Marc Gasol
Drummond
Embiid
Gobert
Jokic
Nurkic
Towns
Vucevic
Ayton
Adams
Collins
Aldridge

That's off the top of my head

And with the exception of Davis and Horford (who's already on the team), none of those centers are available. And Al Horford is a power forward. You know who Capela is better than? Theis, Baynes and Robin Williams.

You don't trade for a slightly above average player just because they're available