The Kyrie Irving free agency thread(to sign 4yr/$141M w/Nets page 105)

[Ogaju]

When I saw "Horford leads by example". I taught no wonder why so many guys disappear at times it's just following Horford.

Sorry I know it's been Horford's best year with us but its what came to mind.

lol ...... leadership is not measured by on court performance. lol. Al is a character guy. He should be team captain.

[Csfan1984]

When I saw "Horford leads by example". I taught no wonder why so many guys disappear at times it's just following Horford.

Sorry I know it's been Horford's best year with us but its what came to mind.

lol ...... leadership is not measured by on court performance. lol. Al is a character guy. He should be team captain.

He does seem like a good vet.

[LilRip]

Is it really too much to ask for a player that actually wants to play for your team? Nothing about what Kyrie Irving has done since the Cs got bounced says he wants to play for the Cs - nothing!

A leader does not behave this way.

A leader will be busy recruiting for his own team, and not be open to being recruited by other teams.

The double standards are real!

I guess KD isn’t a real leader then. So if he’s available, would you say no? Going back in time a bit, would you have taken Wade over Lebron in their primes since Wade recruited for his team but Lebron moved to Miami? Do you think Horford is a poor leader?

KD? Name the team he has led. Everyone knows Dubs belong to Steph, Klay and Dray. KD is just along for the ride. If it wasnt so Dray would not have called him out to his face. He is not a leader of the dubs. A leader does not sign 1 year deals an opportunist does.

If KD were available I would take him with open arms, as I would Kyrie, that does not make either of them a leader. Every player has his role. Neither of these two would I hand the leadership keys.

I will take Wade and Lebron in their primes, LeBron over Wade, he is and was the better player. Wade would lead, because even Lebron recognizes Wade's leadership.

Any other questions?

KD led the Thunder. Then he left them, which was cruel. For a rival team, which was cruel. If he goes here, you thjnk he won’t be the leader?

Lebron led the Cavs. Even won a championship that 2nd time. You’re right that Lebron recognized Wade but Wade deferred to Lebron, which I guess makes him a good leader too. Besides, a team can have multiple leaders (see your example above with steph, klay and dray).

Also, what about Horford? Is he a poor leader?

Also, let me hit u with another player: Steve Nash. Was he a poor leader?

Double standards

My bad, I forgot the most important question. Horford leads with example. He is a good leader. Steve Nash was a good leader.  KD did not lead the Thunder. Westbrook led and leads the Thunder.

And yet Horford and Nash were open to being recruited by other teams.

If you think Kyrie is a bad leader, then fine. But his being open to being recruited by another team isn’t something that adds up to him being a bad leader. The whole concept of free agency is that players have a choice.

I did not say Kyrie is a bad leader. I do not think he is a team leader at all.

By the way, Horford nine years on the Hawks, Nash 16 years with the Suns.

Lol could’ve fooled me with your post.

And sure, but doesn’t change the fact that Horford left the Hawks and Nash left the Mavs. They were recruited by other teams. To quote you, “a leader will be busy recruiting for his own team, and not be open to being recruited by other teams.”

[makaveli]

Is it really too much to ask for a player that actually wants to play for your team? Nothing about what Kyrie Irving has done since the Cs got bounced says he wants to play for the Cs - nothing!

A leader does not behave this way.

A leader will be busy recruiting for his own team, and not be open to being recruited by other teams.

The double standards are real!

I guess KD isn’t a real leader then. So if he’s available, would you say no? Going back in time a bit, would you have taken Wade over Lebron in their primes since Wade recruited for his team but Lebron moved to Miami? Do you think Horford is a poor leader?

KD? Name the team he has led. Everyone knows Dubs belong to Steph, Klay and Dray. KD is just along for the ride. If it wasnt so Dray would not have called him out to his face. He is not a leader of the dubs. A leader does not sign 1 year deals an opportunist does.

If KD were available I would take him with open arms, as I would Kyrie, that does not make either of them a leader. Every player has his role. Neither of these two would I hand the leadership keys.

I will take Wade and Lebron in their primes, LeBron over Wade, he is and was the better player. Wade would lead, because even Lebron recognizes Wade's leadership.

Any other questions?

KD led the Thunder. Then he left them, which was cruel. For a rival team, which was cruel. If he goes here, you thjnk he won’t be the leader?

Lebron led the Cavs. Even won a championship that 2nd time. You’re right that Lebron recognized Wade but Wade deferred to Lebron, which I guess makes him a good leader too. Besides, a team can have multiple leaders (see your example above with steph, klay and dray).

Also, what about Horford? Is he a poor leader?

Also, let me hit u with another player: Steve Nash. Was he a poor leader?

Double standards

My bad, I forgot the most important question. Horford leads with example. He is a good leader. Steve Nash was a good leader.  KD did not lead the Thunder. Westbrook led and leads the Thunder.

And yet Horford and Nash were open to being recruited by other teams.

If you think Kyrie is a bad leader, then fine. But his being open to being recruited by another team isn’t something that adds up to him being a bad leader. The whole concept of free agency is that players have a choice.

I did not say Kyrie is a bad leader. I do not think he is a team leader at all.

By the way, Horford nine years on the Hawks, Nash 16 years with the Suns.

2 + 8 years with the suns

[Ogaju]

Is it really too much to ask for a player that actually wants to play for your team? Nothing about what Kyrie Irving has done since the Cs got bounced says he wants to play for the Cs - nothing!

A leader does not behave this way.

A leader will be busy recruiting for his own team, and not be open to being recruited by other teams.

The double standards are real!

I guess KD isn’t a real leader then. So if he’s available, would you say no? Going back in time a bit, would you have taken Wade over Lebron in their primes since Wade recruited for his team but Lebron moved to Miami? Do you think Horford is a poor leader?

KD? Name the team he has led. Everyone knows Dubs belong to Steph, Klay and Dray. KD is just along for the ride. If it wasnt so Dray would not have called him out to his face. He is not a leader of the dubs. A leader does not sign 1 year deals an opportunist does.

If KD were available I would take him with open arms, as I would Kyrie, that does not make either of them a leader. Every player has his role. Neither of these two would I hand the leadership keys.

I will take Wade and Lebron in their primes, LeBron over Wade, he is and was the better player. Wade would lead, because even Lebron recognizes Wade's leadership.

Any other questions?

KD led the Thunder. Then he left them, which was cruel. For a rival team, which was cruel. If he goes here, you thjnk he won’t be the leader?

Lebron led the Cavs. Even won a championship that 2nd time. You’re right that Lebron recognized Wade but Wade deferred to Lebron, which I guess makes him a good leader too. Besides, a team can have multiple leaders (see your example above with steph, klay and dray).

Also, what about Horford? Is he a poor leader?

Also, let me hit u with another player: Steve Nash. Was he a poor leader?

Double standards

My bad, I forgot the most important question. Horford leads with example. He is a good leader. Steve Nash was a good leader.  KD did not lead the Thunder. Westbrook led and leads the Thunder.

And yet Horford and Nash were open to being recruited by other teams.

If you think Kyrie is a bad leader, then fine. But his being open to being recruited by another team isn’t something that adds up to him being a bad leader. The whole concept of free agency is that players have a choice.

I did not say Kyrie is a bad leader. I do not think he is a team leader at all.

By the way, Horford nine years on the Hawks, Nash 16 years with the Suns.

2 + 8 years with the suns

lol the site I READ  MUST HAVE DONE 2 X 8...LOL

[Ogaju]

Is it really too much to ask for a player that actually wants to play for your team? Nothing about what Kyrie Irving has done since the Cs got bounced says he wants to play for the Cs - nothing!

A leader does not behave this way.

A leader will be busy recruiting for his own team, and not be open to being recruited by other teams.

The double standards are real!

I guess KD isn’t a real leader then. So if he’s available, would you say no? Going back in time a bit, would you have taken Wade over Lebron in their primes since Wade recruited for his team but Lebron moved to Miami? Do you think Horford is a poor leader?

KD? Name the team he has led. Everyone knows Dubs belong to Steph, Klay and Dray. KD is just along for the ride. If it wasnt so Dray would not have called him out to his face. He is not a leader of the dubs. A leader does not sign 1 year deals an opportunist does.

If KD were available I would take him with open arms, as I would Kyrie, that does not make either of them a leader. Every player has his role. Neither of these two would I hand the leadership keys.

I will take Wade and Lebron in their primes, LeBron over Wade, he is and was the better player. Wade would lead, because even Lebron recognizes Wade's leadership.

Any other questions?

KD led the Thunder. Then he left them, which was cruel. For a rival team, which was cruel. If he goes here, you thjnk he won’t be the leader?

Lebron led the Cavs. Even won a championship that 2nd time. You’re right that Lebron recognized Wade but Wade deferred to Lebron, which I guess makes him a good leader too. Besides, a team can have multiple leaders (see your example above with steph, klay and dray).

Also, what about Horford? Is he a poor leader?

Also, let me hit u with another player: Steve Nash. Was he a poor leader?

Double standards

My bad, I forgot the most important question. Horford leads with example. He is a good leader. Steve Nash was a good leader.  KD did not lead the Thunder. Westbrook led and leads the Thunder.

And yet Horford and Nash were open to being recruited by other teams.

If you think Kyrie is a bad leader, then fine. But his being open to being recruited by another team isn’t something that adds up to him being a bad leader. The whole concept of free agency is that players have a choice.

I did not say Kyrie is a bad leader. I do not think he is a team leader at all.

By the way, Horford nine years on the Hawks, Nash 16 years with the Suns.

Lol could’ve fooled me with your post.

And sure, but doesn’t change the fact that Horford left the Hawks and Nash left the Mavs. They were recruited by other teams. To quote you, “a leader will be busy recruiting for his own team, and not be open to being recruited by other teams.”

thinking back I do not remember either of these two proclaiming themselves as leader of their teams or throwing their team mates under the bus in their quest for leadership.

[LilRip]

Is it really too much to ask for a player that actually wants to play for your team? Nothing about what Kyrie Irving has done since the Cs got bounced says he wants to play for the Cs - nothing!

A leader does not behave this way.

A leader will be busy recruiting for his own team, and not be open to being recruited by other teams.

The double standards are real!

I guess KD isn’t a real leader then. So if he’s available, would you say no? Going back in time a bit, would you have taken Wade over Lebron in their primes since Wade recruited for his team but Lebron moved to Miami? Do you think Horford is a poor leader?

KD? Name the team he has led. Everyone knows Dubs belong to Steph, Klay and Dray. KD is just along for the ride. If it wasnt so Dray would not have called him out to his face. He is not a leader of the dubs. A leader does not sign 1 year deals an opportunist does.

If KD were available I would take him with open arms, as I would Kyrie, that does not make either of them a leader. Every player has his role. Neither of these two would I hand the leadership keys.

I will take Wade and Lebron in their primes, LeBron over Wade, he is and was the better player. Wade would lead, because even Lebron recognizes Wade's leadership.

Any other questions?

KD led the Thunder. Then he left them, which was cruel. For a rival team, which was cruel. If he goes here, you thjnk he won’t be the leader?

Lebron led the Cavs. Even won a championship that 2nd time. You’re right that Lebron recognized Wade but Wade deferred to Lebron, which I guess makes him a good leader too. Besides, a team can have multiple leaders (see your example above with steph, klay and dray).

Also, what about Horford? Is he a poor leader?

Also, let me hit u with another player: Steve Nash. Was he a poor leader?

Double standards

My bad, I forgot the most important question. Horford leads with example. He is a good leader. Steve Nash was a good leader.  KD did not lead the Thunder. Westbrook led and leads the Thunder.

And yet Horford and Nash were open to being recruited by other teams.

If you think Kyrie is a bad leader, then fine. But his being open to being recruited by another team isn’t something that adds up to him being a bad leader. The whole concept of free agency is that players have a choice.

I did not say Kyrie is a bad leader. I do not think he is a team leader at all.

By the way, Horford nine years on the Hawks, Nash 16 years with the Suns.

Lol could’ve fooled me with your post.

And sure, but doesn’t change the fact that Horford left the Hawks and Nash left the Mavs. They were recruited by other teams. To quote you, “a leader will be busy recruiting for his own team, and not be open to being recruited by other teams.”

thinking back I do not remember either of these two proclaiming themselves as leader of their teams or throwing their team mates under the bus in their quest for leadership.

Nice try but that’s irrelevant when talking about being recruited to other teams.

[Silky]

If the option came up,

would you trade Kyrie for Crabbe and pick 17?

Move gets Celtics something in return (nice expiring deal of 18.5 mill that can be used in season for trade) and a pick.

Move gets Brooklyn their guy and still lets them make an offer to Durant with their 38 mill in capspace left.

Irving
Harris
Levert
Durant
Allen

Smart/Wannamaker
Brown/Crabbe
tatum/Hayward
Horford/
Baynes/Williams

and lots of picks and players to shop for moving up. (14,17,20,22)

[LilRip]

If the option came up,

would you trade Kyrie for Crabbe and pick 17?

Move gets Celtics something in return (nice expiring deal of 18.5 mill that can be used in season for trade) and a pick.

Move gets Brooklyn their guy and still lets them make an offer to Durant with their 38 mill in capspace left.

Irving
Harris
Levert
Durant
Allen

Smart/Wannamaker
Brown/Crabbe
tatum/Hayward
Horford/
Baynes/Williams

and lots of picks and players to shop for moving up. (14,17,20,22)

If Kyrie said for certain that he isn’t coming back, I’d gladly take a S+T assuming it was on the table and avoid losing him for nothing. Then I’d still try and swing for Davis.

Rubio (or some other PG available at MLE)
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

That’s still a strong starting 5 with so many scoring options, even if Rubio isn’t a scorer.

[PhoSita]

If the option came up,

would you trade Kyrie for Crabbe and pick 17?

Move gets Celtics something in return (nice expiring deal of 18.5 mill that can be used in season for trade) and a pick.

Move gets Brooklyn their guy and still lets them make an offer to Durant with their 38 mill in capspace left.

Irving
Harris
Levert
Durant
Allen

Smart/Wannamaker
Brown/Crabbe
tatum/Hayward
Horford/
Baynes/Williams

and lots of picks and players to shop for moving up. (14,17,20,22)

The Celts don't need yet another mid-1st in this draft.

I would ask for a future 1st, otherwise not bother.

[nickagneta]

Making a prediction right here, right now. Neither Rozier, nor Morris, nor Irving, nor any Celtic will be signed & traded.

Heck, I will go farther out on that limb and will make another prediction.

Not one player in the league will be signed & traded this summer.

[PhoSita]

Making a prediction right here, right now. Neither Rozier, nor Morris, nor Irving, nor any Celtic will be signed & traded.

Heck, I will go farther out on that limb and will make another prediction.

Not one player in the league will be signed & traded this summer.

That's bold, but I wouldn't bet against it.  So many teams have cap space.

[Moranis]

Making a prediction right here, right now. Neither Rozier, nor Morris, nor Irving, nor any Celtic will be signed & traded.

Heck, I will go farther out on that limb and will make another prediction.

Not one player in the league will be signed & traded this summer.

Possible, but I think at least 1 restricted free agent, like Rozier, gets sign and traded.  The threat of a match is enough for a team to just make a trade if they really want a player.

[SHAQATTACK]

Making a prediction right here, right now. Neither Rozier, nor Morris, nor Irving, nor any Celtic will be signed & traded.

Heck, I will go farther out on that limb and will make another prediction.

Not one player in the league will be signed & traded this summer.

That's bold, but I wouldn't bet against it.  So many teams have cap space.

Lakers fans  are .....sure ....Kyrie is coming to LA if he doesn't sign on a NY team .   

What i fnd absolutely funny as heck,   they have been whining and moaning for years about Stern nixing CP3 .....i ve been monitoring a site and not even ONE post about CP3 being on the trade market,   the big news NBC etc is full of it ,  but NOT even one person has suggested CP3 official banana boat buddy of their hero Bron is available .   Its like they are totally ignoring the possibility,  my god , all they have done is complain every chance he was taken from them. They are acting like CP3 is dead . But they are certain about Kyrie coming to LA every day 10,000 times a day. 

[Silky]

If the option came up,

would you trade Kyrie for Crabbe and pick 17?

Move gets Celtics something in return (nice expiring deal of 18.5 mill that can be used in season for trade) and a pick.

Move gets Brooklyn their guy and still lets them make an offer to Durant with their 38 mill in capspace left.

Irving
Harris
Levert
Durant
Allen

Smart/Wannamaker
Brown/Crabbe
tatum/Hayward
Horford/
Baynes/Williams

and lots of picks and players to shop for moving up. (14,17,20,22)

The Celts don't need yet another mid-1st in this draft.

I would ask for a future 1st, otherwise not bother.

fair enough.