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Offline jpotter33

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I really wish the G League was utilized more often by the NBA for its main guys and didn't have the stigma attached to it. The G League would be perfect for someone like Hayward to get his rhythm and confidence back, let alone his explosiveness and conditioning, because he simply isn't ready to be a steady contributor out there on the floor right now.

Tonight we saw him look very frustrated and down on himself for missing shots that he usually makes, which worries me now, as that will just impede his growth and ultimately hurt the team when he's out there if he lacks confidence in himself.

Coming back from such a major injury, the G League is the perfect context for someone like Hayward to build himself back up. Of course, it will never happen, because there's a stigma attached to a max-level player going to the G League for some reason, but I think a month down there with him dominating the competition would be great for him.
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Offline jpotter33

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I'm not a baseball guy, but don't they use the minor leagues in a similar way for guys coming back from injuries?
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Hayward was a +4 tonight 3-7 with 8 points and 9 rebounds and two assists, the only bench player who wasn't a negative tonight was Robert Williams and he only played 2 minutes.

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 One thing Iíve noticed is that his body language tents to get negative once he misses a few shots or turns the ball over. I imagine it must be frustrating having a horrific injury and then being a shell of your former self that a team paid 30m a year for and not knowing if you will ever get back to where you were. But he canít think like that he has to keep thinking happy thoughts.
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I honestly feel like only Celtics fans would say this about one of their stars.

Itís such a long season and everyone wants to blame him. First it was removing him from the starting lineup, now itís removing him from the team altogether.

The difference between the minors in baseball and the G-League is that they work to get their timing down. The G-League isnít nearly as fast as the NBA, the players arenít nearly as skilled. Baseball players can still get their timing back on 95mph pitches at any level in the minors, and still field pretty much exactly the same. Likewise, pitchers rehab down in the minors because it doesnít matter if they get hit or not, they are just working on mechanics, location, and arm strength.

Imagine an NBA player getting seriously injured in the G-League? Does it really matter if heís hitting mildly contested shots that would be well-covered in the NBA? I really donít see how the G-League offers any more benefits for a player of Haywardís magnitude than just practicing with the team and playing through it.

Other than Kyrie of late and Morris, nobody is immune to criticism of their play at times this season. Hayward has had some good games and some bad ones, but so has Brown, Tatum, Smart, Horford, etc.


Really not that concerned about Hayward or our 6-4 start. The hot takes here have been ridiculous, and expected.
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Morris returned to his old self tonight. Oh, well....

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Offline gouki88

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Hayward was a +4 tonight 3-7 with 8 points and 9 rebounds and two assists, the only bench player who wasn't a negative tonight was Robert Williams and he only played 2 minutes.
Yeah, Hayward killing us is completely out of touch. He has been no worse than Rozier, Tatum or Brown. Heís just paid more, but he also has an excuse for his poor start.

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Offline RodyTur10

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Hayward was a +4 tonight 3-7 with 8 points and 9 rebounds and two assists, the only bench player who wasn't a negative tonight was Robert Williams and he only played 2 minutes.

That was mainly due to the second quarter. When the starters got off to a great start Stevens went with a second unit Rozier/Smart/Ojeleye/Morris/Baynes which couldn't sustain the offense with Rozier playing terribly and too few scorers and shooters. I thought that was a bad rotation by Stevens. You just have to hope that Morris gets red hot, since otherwise points won't come easy.

We had a 15 point lead and gave it away. You can't allow that. I think a more balanced rotation woud be the cure.

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Hayward was a +4 tonight 3-7 with 8 points and 9 rebounds and two assists, the only bench player who wasn't a negative tonight was Robert Williams and he only played 2 minutes.
Yeah, Hayward killing us is completely out of touch. He has been no worse than Rozier, Tatum or Brown. Heís just paid more, but he also has an excuse for his poor start.

If we're dealing in reality and not self-delusion it was easy to see this coming.  Hayward essentially went from rehab to pre-season with no training in between to figure out his post-injury body.

Naturally, with an overabundance of wings the Celtics rushed him back onto the court and shattered his confidance and possibly that of Jaylen Brown as well.

His career arc is basically identical to that of Wally Sczerbiak now.

And the curse of Isaiah continues...

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Offline ozgod

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Hayward was a +4 tonight 3-7 with 8 points and 9 rebounds and two assists, the only bench player who wasn't a negative tonight was Robert Williams and he only played 2 minutes.
Yeah, Hayward killing us is completely out of touch. He has been no worse than Rozier, Tatum or Brown. Heís just paid more, but he also has an excuse for his poor start.

Maybe it's because we're comparing current Hayward to historical Hayward. Current Hayward is still contributing but he's a long way away from historical Hayward, so people are harder on him.
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He is not great right now, and i complained and will complain every game until he gets better, BUT we are doing the right thing giving him the minutes in real games. 

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Offline cman88

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the question is. Is it a physical problem or mental? It's not like he lost his shot while he was out. And we see glimpses of the old hayward at times.

I think you need to let him work through it. because if we want to go deep in June you need Hayward performing at a top level.

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Yeah, and maybe we can give Terry Rozier G-League minutes so he cannget all that shot-jacking out of his system. On this team heís a bench player and he needs to get used to that. He wants to be big-time, and thats understandable with a contract coming up, but his contributions have been more forced and inconsistent than Haywardís in my view.

The team needs TIME to gel. Hayward has been playing right around 25 minutes a game. Peak Hayward will be playing well over 30, pushing 40 even depending on the game/playoffs/matchup etc. Other guys also need to get used to the change. Itís a process and I donít want us scraping for early victories at the expense of developing long term chemistry.
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Jamal Murray scoring 48 points killed the Celtics.  That and the C's bench getting crushed by the Nuggets bench.

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Hayward was a +4 tonight 3-7 with 8 points and 9 rebounds and two assists, the only bench player who wasn't a negative tonight was Robert Williams and he only played 2 minutes.
Yeah, Hayward killing us is completely out of touch. He has been no worse than Rozier, Tatum or Brown. Heís just paid more, but he also has an excuse for his poor start.

Maybe it's because we're comparing current Hayward to historical Hayward. Current Hayward is still contributing but he's a long way away from historical Hayward, so people are harder on him.
Definitely. I think people are lacking perspective 

 

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