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Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2018, 08:34:36 AM »

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Another 8 points, another $360,000 game check for Hayward.
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Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2018, 09:23:06 AM »

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Another 8 points, another $360,000 game check for Hayward.

Youíre troll game is weak. Maybe go back into old threads and see how to really get under peopleís skin.

Hayward is like 4 months removed from a second surgery. That was a setback that many tend to overlook.

Heís getting there. Heís going to get back to the player he was. Thatís not unrealistic at all. Heís got the intelligence and talent to not need to rely only on athleticism, which he will continue to get back.

Based on the title of the thread I'd say you're the one trolling. 

Of course I'd never call someone a troll just because they disagree with my opinion, but that's just me. 


Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2018, 09:23:43 AM »

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Another 8 points, another $360,000 game check for Hayward.

Paul George had a similar injury in Aug 2014 and missed all but 6 games of the 2014-15 season. Here were his stats on returning:


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Rk G Date Age Tm Opp GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc +/-

77 1 2015-04-05 24-338 IND MIA W (+23) 0 14:34 5 12 .417 3 6 .500 0 0 0 2 2 2 2 0 3 3 13 6.4 +12
78 2 2015-04-08 24-341 IND @ NYK W (+16) 0 15:31 2 7 .286 1 3 .333 5 6 .833 0 3 3 0 2 0 2 1 10 6.0 +5
79 3 2015-04-10 24-343 IND @ DET W (+4) 0 13:54 3 6 .500 2 3 .667 2 2 1.000 0 4 4 2 0 0 2 0 10 7.6 +1
80 4 2015-04-12 24-345 IND OKC W (+12) 0 14:09 3 9 .333 1 4 .250 1 2 .500 3 3 6 1 0 0 1 2 8 4.4 -3
81 5 2015-04-14 24-347 IND WAS W (+4) 0 17:46 4 10 .400 2 4 .500 0 1 .000 0 3 3 0 1 1 2 0 10 4.8 +1
82 6 2015-04-15 24-348 IND @ MEM L (-12) 0 15:01 1 5 .200 0 2 .000 0 0 1 3 4 1 0 0 2 5 2 -2.8 -1

George then had another offseason to work on his game and recover.

Here are Hayward's numbers in his 10 games on returning:

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Rk G Date Age Tm Opp GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc +/-
1 1 2018-10-16 28-207 BOS PHI W (+18) 1 24:37 4 12 .333 1 3 .333 1 2 .500 2 3 5 0 4 0 0 1 10 8.7 +10
2 2 2018-10-19 28-210 BOS @ TOR L (-12) 1 24:17 6 13 .462 1 3 .333 1 1 1.000 2 5 7 2 1 0 1 0 14 11.6 -11
3 2018-10-20 28-211 BOS @ NYK W (+2) Inactive
4 3 2018-10-22 28-213 BOS ORL L (-3) 1 24:56 4 8 .500 3 5 .600 0 0 0 4 4 3 1 0 2 3 11 8.1 -1
5 4 2018-10-25 28-216 BOS @ OKC W (+6) 1 23:41 1 5 .200 1 4 .250 2 4 .500 0 7 7 1 0 0 2 3 5 0.7 -13
6 5 2018-10-27 28-218 BOS @ DET W (+20) 1 23:41 6 11 .545 2 5 .400 1 3 .333 0 5 5 1 1 0 3 3 15 7.9 +18
7 6 2018-10-30 28-221 BOS DET W (+3) 1 25:53 3 10 .300 0 2 .000 0 0 1 3 4 3 0 0 1 0 6 2.9 -1
8 7 2018-11-01 28-223 BOS MIL W (+4) 1 26:38 6 11 .545 3 5 .600 3 3 1.000 2 2 4 5 0 1 1 1 18 17.5 +4
9 8 2018-11-03 28-225 BOS @ IND L (-1) 1 25:42 2 10 .200 0 5 .000 0 0 2 5 7 3 1 2 1 3 4 3.0 -9
10 9 2018-11-05 28-227 BOS @ DEN L (-8) 1 25:52 3 7 .429 0 2 .000 2 2 1.000 1 8 9 2 0 0 1 2 8 7.0 +4
11 10 2018-11-08 28-230 BOS @ PHO W (+7) 1 24:54 3 8 .375 2 5 .400 0 0 0 4 4 2 0 0 0 1 8 5.8


As you can see not too different. I think it's a little unfair to Hayward to expect him to be his All-Star form immediately upon returning. I wouldn't be surprised if it took him till December to look like his old self again.
Any odd typos are because I suck at typing on an iPhone :D

Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2018, 09:26:43 AM »

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Another 8 points, another $360,000 game check for Hayward.

Youíre troll game is weak. Maybe go back into old threads and see how to really get under peopleís skin.

Hayward is like 4 months removed from a second surgery. That was a setback that many tend to overlook.

Heís getting there. Heís going to get back to the player he was. Thatís not unrealistic at all. Heís got the intelligence and talent to not need to rely only on athleticism, which he will continue to get back.

Based on the title of the thread I'd say you're the one trolling. 

Of course I'd never call someone a troll just because they disagree with my opinion, but that's just me.
Itís probably routinely being inflammatory thatís getting you called a troll

Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2018, 09:43:19 AM »

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Itís easy to be down on Hayward. Guy is making more in one year then most of us will make in a lifetime combined..
Itís also easy to assume that a guy making so much should be instantly productive for us, injury aside. Former all-star, one of brads boys, hard worker and a great all-around player, doesnít complain and just wants to do his job. Nearly the perfect Celtic isnít he?

To be honest I am starting to lose my patience with him also, but I have to keep reminding myself how bad that injury was, how long he was out for and how his recovery and conditioning is still ongoing. But itís easy to point the blame at him on a team that is struggling out of the gate and was predicted to win over 60 games especially when he was our Ďbig winí free agent. The guy who was expected to get us over the hump.

Letís be real here though. Letís forget about how much each guy is making and compare how people are playing compared to last year. Kyrie is comparable but it took some time. Horford is Horford and Smart is Smart so they can all be excluded, weíre getting what we expect to from those guys.

Hero Ball players:
Tatum Ė on and off but IMO more often off then on up to this point. I think he is trying to emulate Kobe a little too much, maybe his off-season training with him was counterproductive?
Rozier Ė Hardest player to watch on this team, at least to me. His contract is obviously more important to him at this point then seeing the team win
Morris Ė Itís working now, but imagine if it wasnít? People would want his head on a spike. Like how his shot is falling hate how he doesnít know what a pass is.

Under-achievers Ė Both of these have been beating to death it just is what it is
Brown
Hayward
Baynes Ė I personally have low expectations for this guy but he needs to play downlow not jack up ugly 3ís constantly. We have enough guys doing that right now

Biggest problem to me:
Stevens Ė I think he lost this team or is losing it. The current approach is ugly, just shoot threes, no downlow game no midrange game. No trying to drive to the basket to get teams in foul trouble. I know heís trying to figure it out but at the end of the day itís his fault this team is playing the way it is.
If he isnít holding players accountable how can we get mad at Tatum/Rozier playing hero ball or Baynes jacking up threes? He needs to step up and realize this approach isnít working.

Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2018, 12:20:54 PM »

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Another 8 points, another $360,000 game check for Hayward.

Youíre troll game is weak. Maybe go back into old threads and see how to really get under peopleís skin.

Hayward is like 4 months removed from a second surgery. That was a setback that many tend to overlook.

Heís getting there. Heís going to get back to the player he was. Thatís not unrealistic at all. Heís got the intelligence and talent to not need to rely only on athleticism, which he will continue to get back.

Based on the title of the thread I'd say you're the one trolling. 

Of course I'd never call someone a troll just because they disagree with my opinion, but that's just me.

no its definitely you. He's right you know.

Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2018, 12:37:27 PM »

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Sounds like Hayward owns real estate in someone's head.


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Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2018, 01:51:18 PM »

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After Xmas he needs to step it up ...till then i ll be patient .   He should be going pretty good by Jan 2019 .   

Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2018, 01:55:52 PM »

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i think it's fair to give him much longer time to get himself back to rhythm, Paul George needed a lot of time to recover from his gruesome injury and so does Hayward. I do see Hayward getting more comfortable out there but it will take a lot of time

Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2018, 02:10:34 PM »

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He sucks.  Needs to come off the bench or something.  Could be a huge waste of money,  but itís too early to tell. 

Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2018, 03:05:03 PM »

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No one knew what would happen to Hayward..it was a great signing by Ainge to get him..we all was happy..now it going take awhile for him to get into NBA form..will he be the player he was at Utah? only time will tell but im not second guessing this signing..it was huge when he did in july of 2017
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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2018, 04:05:56 PM »

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I really wish the G League was utilized more often by the NBA for its main guys and didn't have the stigma attached to it. The G League would be perfect for someone like Hayward to get his rhythm and confidence back, let alone his explosiveness and conditioning, because he simply isn't ready to be a steady contributor out there on the floor right now.

Tonight we saw him look very frustrated and down on himself for missing shots that he usually makes, which worries me now, as that will just impede his growth and ultimately hurt the team when he's out there if he lacks confidence in himself.

Coming back from such a major injury, the G League is the perfect context for someone like Hayward to build himself back up. Of course, it will never happen, because there's a stigma attached to a max-level player going to the G League for some reason, but I think a month down there with him dominating the competition would be great for him.
Clearly not a good idea. G league would do nothing to help Gordon. Coach has kept his minutes low and he is getting better by the day.  Just Because one has a as many post as you does not know you know Basketball. You Clearly have not played reps are what Gordon Needs so he will peak in June. G League is like day 1 of Training camp. Your Tommy Boys show the lack of good points you have made.
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Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2018, 05:07:32 PM »

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I'm beginning to wonder at what point there starts to be legitimate discord in the locker room due to Hayward getting special treatment from Brad.

While Tatum and other young players (who lead the team to the ECF last season) are getting yanked for a single missed defensive assignment Hayward has carte blanche.


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« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2018, 07:07:52 PM »

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I'm beginning to wonder at what point there starts to be legitimate discord in the locker room due to Hayward getting special treatment from Brad.

While Tatum and other young players (who lead the team to the ECF last season) are getting yanked for a single missed defensive assignment Hayward has carte blanche.

I don't think it's special treatment at all. Hayward - even when he plays badly - plays within the team's offense. He doesn't force bad shots, can effectively run some point and he tries defensively. Tatum has mental lapses on the defensive end, on the other end he doesn't bring much else to the table when he falls in love with contested midrange twos. I think you're seeing Brad reward one for playing the right way as opposed to the guy too into his own hype.
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Re: Hayward is Killing Us. Needs Some Time in the G League to Rebuild Himself.
« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2018, 07:11:36 PM »

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I just wonder where his shot has went? I always understood his athleticism would take abit to come back. But he just isnt hitting his shots right now.

 

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