Robert Williams (Merged Threads)

[Roy H.]

I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

So, nothing racist. Maybe reactionary (maybe not), but nothing any other rookie wouldn’t get for blowing off multiple team events.

[JHTruth]

Marcus Smart slept through a practice in the playoffs, was playing at 245, and missed weeks for punching a mirror frame when one of his girls exposed him on IG. One of the hardest working dudes on the team.

Long way before I lose faith in Rob.

As a RW supporter, this annoys me because it gives his detractors ammunition as a best case scenario, and as a worst case scenario it indicates that he's a long shot.  But I'm not going to crucify the kid for this.  I'm reserving my judgement until after Summer League.

Yeah I think he'll be fine. We should all relax a bit..

[KungPoweChicken]

I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.

These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.

[Scintan]

I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.

These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.

You proclaiming something to be racial stereotyping, and something actually being racial stereotyping, are obviously two different things, as can be seen by your attempt to provide actual examples of your claim.  You heard squirrels snapping twigs, and you called it a bunch of ghosts walking the land.  Or, as Roy put it:

So, nothing racist. Maybe reactionary (maybe not), but nothing any other rookie wouldn’t get for blowing off multiple team events.

I'll leave it there, as there's apparently nothing to your position, and continuing this would only sidetrack the discussion further.

[slamtheking]

I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.

These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.

nothing racial here.  a lot of comments about work ethic and maturity.  same things would be said about any drafted player who did this.   

if you don't think people are right in their commentary about him, speak to that. 

[Pucaccia]

I hate to say it, but there are a lot of racist sounding posts in this thread. I expect better from Celticsblog.

Point to one?

Below are all literally posts from this thread, and missing is the post that has since been deleted predicting that Williams' future will be as a minimum wage laborer sweeping floors.


"the thing I dislike the most is that he talks about working hard, ability to work hard....   time to get my sheet together"

"this guy should not be allowed to be alone. pair him up with a roommate moving forward.  And a guy who won't lie for him in case he wants to sneak out or something."

"Once he gets to Boston they can get him a babysitter."

"His agent needs to hire someone to get him through the summer."

"I'd test him for drugs the second he gets to the team and if it's positive I'd tell him to drive up to Maine where he will be remaining with the Red Claws till at least the All Star break. This cycle has to end immediately. If he doesn't test positive make him carry the bags and fetch everyone water during all summer league. In practice he wears a yellow jersey till he earns a green one."

"Well what is the good reason for missing the flight?  I mean how much are we going to baby this guy and shrug our shoulders? Were you late for work your first day? How about your 2nd day? There need to be immediate clear consequences. Personally I think he was gonna be on the flight but then he got high. Na na na na na na. I'd like to know why."

"Keep him away from our young guys.  I don’t want Williams to influence any of our young players. Heck, if it was me, I will not let him inside the facilities,  cut our losses now."


"I'm with eja117 in that I thought it was some kind of substance abuse when he missed the conference call and this episode reinforces my thoughts.  What else would cause the guy to not care about the responsibilities related to his new job?  It could also be the reason he hightailed it out of Boston and flew home for such a short time."


"I'm off the band wagon on this guy. Probably a bust. He doesn't have the commitment clearly to succeed. Sad case of a talented player who doesn't like basketball."

"This has substance abuse all over it. Hopefully he's getting the last bits of need out of his system."

That's just attributing a whole lot of mundane noises to the movements of ghosts.

These are not "ghosts." It is racial stereotyping, and it is dangerous.

Maybe it's you who is racial stereotyping. You seem to be the only one attributing these criticisms to being black.

[Big333223]

I'm not gonna bury the guy for being a dumbass but it feels like he's the kind of guy who sees getting drafted as the end of a journey rather than the beginning of one. Hopefully that gets drummed out of him quick or he'll be out of the league before he knows it.

I'm looking on the bright side that there were concerns about his work ethic but this isn't a "work ethic" problem, this is being immature or absent-minded. As long as he does the work on the court and in the gym I'll trust that the other stuff can be ironed out.

[PickNRoll]

I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.

[footey]

We all can agree that we want RW to succeed, and really help our team, particularly with his shot blocking, rebounding, and defensive prowess.

Most of us, probably all of us, agree that he has started off on the wrong foot, twice, and it indicates a certainly level of immaturity.

He is one summer league game away from having another chance to change the headline. News gets old fast.

[CF033]

We all can agree that we want RW to succeed, and really help our team, particularly with his shot blocking, rebounding, and defensive prowess.

Most of us, probably all of us, agree that he has started off on the wrong foot, twice, and it indicates a certainly level of immaturity.

He is one summer league game away from having another chance to change the headline. News gets old fast.

I agree with this... I def want RW to succeed. His athleticism and skillset (defense and rebounding) is something the Celts really need. It's the two no-shows that are concerning though. The kid JUST got drafted in the NBA, stands to make millions of dollars playing hoops and yet he can't be bothered to show up right out of the box? That's insane to me.

Even at 20 he should understand and be highly motivated by the weight of everything. How many other lapses will come up going forward? This isn't at all comparable to any job we had at his age and flaked out on.

But, obviously I want him to succeed to his maximum potential and I do believe the Celts will straighten him out.

[PickNRoll]

I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.

Maybe you haven't been around substance abuse or family dysfunction as much as I have?  Maybe you think he's just a 20 year old who likes to sleep in and his family isn't good with alarm clocks?  Maybe he needed to fly back home for 16 hours because he forgot his gym bag?

Maybe he was suspended at A&M because his dog ate his homework.  Maybe his conditioning was poor in college and his coach limited his minutes because of... asthma?  Maybe he just wasn't good enough to start in 7 games -- maybe a matchup problem. 

I don't actually know.  How could I?  I'm just calling it like I see it.  He's shown a lot of warning signs.  He appears to be a smart kid with underdeveloped maturity who likes to party.  I was that kid, lol.  He's at risk.

[Big333223]

I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.

Maybe you haven't been around substance abuse or family dysfunction as much as I have?  Maybe you think he's just a 20 year old who likes to sleep in and his family isn't good with alarm clocks?  Maybe he needed to fly back home for 16 hours because he forgot his gym bag?

Maybe he was suspended at A&M because his dog ate his homework.  Maybe his conditioning was poor in college and his coach limited his minutes because of... asthma?  Maybe he just wasn't good enough to start in 7 games -- maybe a matchup problem. 

I don't actually know.  How could I?  I'm just calling it like I see it.  He's shown a lot of warning signs.  He appears to be a smart kid with underdeveloped maturity who likes to party.  I was that kid, lol.  He's at risk.

I think any talk about substance abuse at this stage is not just jumping to a conclusion but a pretty bizarre jump at that.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.

Maybe you haven't been around substance abuse or family dysfunction as much as I have?  Maybe you think he's just a 20 year old who likes to sleep in and his family isn't good with alarm clocks?  Maybe he needed to fly back home for 16 hours because he forgot his gym bag?

Maybe he was suspended at A&M because his dog ate his homework.  Maybe his conditioning was poor in college and his coach limited his minutes because of... asthma?  Maybe he just wasn't good enough to start in 7 games -- maybe a matchup problem. 

I don't actually know.  How could I?  I'm just calling it like I see it.  He's shown a lot of warning signs.  He appears to be a smart kid with underdeveloped maturity who likes to party.  I was that kid, lol.  He's at risk.

I've been around disfunction, but I've also learned that you can't make assumptions about people just because they are similar to other people you know who have disfunctions.

I'm not saying he's an angel. I'm not really even defending him. I'm annoyed at the kid as a fan.

I'm just saying its pretty foolish to make the statements you're making when you only have a 35,000 foot view of the situation.

[Eja117]

I don't see anything racist.  He's showing legitimate warning signs of substance abuse (at worst) and extreme dysfunction and immaturity (at best).  The team should get him the help he needs before he flames out of the league or becomes Lenny Bias.

I honestly can't believe this sentiment. You have no idea what is going on, but you are making huge assumptions.

Missing a plan is not extreme dysfunction. Invoking the name of Lenny Bias is ridiculous. Flaming out of the league is pretty far away. There is no evidence of substance abuse.

Woah woah woah. As I think the original poster who said he should be tested I agree with all of this. I would point out half the reason for testing is to confirm the guy is NOT on drugs, and the other part is to get him help if he is.

I would think the Celtics, as his employer, would want to know, but not for the purpose of destroying his career before it has begun. Destroying his career is his choice, not ours.

The testing is meant far more as info gathering and a wake up call. Not some public execution