Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Ogaju]

So Toronto goes out on a limb and trades for Kawhi and subsequently wins the title.

You have to wonder if this just emboldens Danny even more to take that risk. Couldn't have come at a better time if it did.

i think it certainly does .....whats more i think his health scare also gives him cause to get another BIG deal done and shot at another title while he can still be GM.   This might be his last chance to put together another title team.

Oh man, that's another good point - seeing yet another star go down with what looks like a major knee injury has to have Kyrie contemplating solidifying his future financial stability.

these guys are set financially that is what empowers them to do what they want in free agency. Kyrie is gone to NYC.

[liam]

My understanding is the Lakers don't want to include Kuzma in the deal, which is supposedly the hang-up.

I think the Pelicans would rather take the Celtics offer and it sounds like they really like Tatum.

I wish Ainge would just make it happen so we can get this done with.

Didn't they already include him in a deal before the deadline? If Kuma was the sticking point, the deal would be done.

[gouki88]

My understanding is the Lakers don't want to include Kuzma in the deal, which is supposedly the hang-up.

I think the Pelicans would rather take the Celtics offer and it sounds like they really like Tatum.

I wish Ainge would just make it happen so we can get this done with.

Didn't they already include him in a deal before the deadline? If Kuma was the sticking point, the deal would be done.

Maybe LA has lowered their price because of Rich Paul's antics? Or because Magic is gone, who knows

[Fafnir]

My understanding is the Lakers don't want to include Kuzma in the deal, which is supposedly the hang-up.

I think the Pelicans would rather take the Celtics offer and it sounds like they really like Tatum.

I wish Ainge would just make it happen so we can get this done with.

Didn't they already include him in a deal before the deadline? If Kuma was the sticking point, the deal would be done.

Jumping up to the fourth pick improved their offer greatly.

[CelticsElite]

My understanding is the Lakers don't want to include Kuzma in the deal, which is supposedly the hang-up.

I think the Pelicans would rather take the Celtics offer and it sounds like they really like Tatum.

I wish Ainge would just make it happen so we can get this done with.

Didn't they already include him in a deal before the deadline? If Kuma was the sticking point, the deal would be done.

Jumping up to the fourth pick improved their offer greatly.

the pelicans don't want the 4th pick and we've only heard the Lakers were presented with a measly option to trade down

Seems no one wants that pick

[keevsnick]

sure gonna be a shame to give up on brown and tatum right before they become stars

Except from everything that has been reported it will be EITHER Tatum OR Brown, not both. Ainge clearly won't give up both for him given the context.

Yep, I would get having to include Tatum given how whats out there, but not both. This feels like a situation where NOP is asking for both trying to use Lakers as leverage, but Celtics are countering with just Brown. Eventually Celtics will include Tatum and NOP will back off the demand for both. Interesting part will be what else gets included, it would be nice if Celtics could hold onto either Smart or MEM pick.

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My understanding is the Lakers don't want to include Kuzma in the deal, which is supposedly the hang-up.

I think the Pelicans would rather take the Celtics offer and it sounds like they really like Tatum.

I wish Ainge would just make it happen so we can get this done with.

Didn't they already include him in a deal before the deadline? If Kuma was the sticking point, the deal would be done.

Jumping up to the fourth pick improved their offer greatly.

the pelicans don't want the 4th pick and we've only heard the Lakers were presented with a measly option to trade down

Seems no one wants that pick

Thus the sarcasm from Fafnir.  I just don't see the 4th pick getting them anything that puts them over the top either.  The lakers need to completely empty the cupboards to get AD.  I honestly don't know why they aren't doing that?  If you start with Lebron and AD you are going to get high quality role players.  I don't understand trying to hold onto Kuzma.

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sure gonna be a shame to give up on brown and tatum right before they become stars

Except from everything that has been reported it will be EITHER Tatum OR Brown, not both. Ainge clearly won't give up both for him given the context.

Yep, I would get having to include Tatum given how whats out there, but not both. This feels like a situation where NOP is asking for both trying to use Lakers as leverage, but Celtics are countering with just Brown. Eventually Celtics will include Tatum and NOP will back off the demand for both. Interesting part will be what else gets included, it would be nice if Celtics could hold onto either Smart or MEM pick.

Yeah I just hope DA hold 's onto both Smart and Brown. 

[CelticsElite]

On Tuesday, Tatum joined Jeff Goodman on the "Good N' Plenty" podcast and admitted that he realizes that the NBA is a "business."
"The NBA is a business, and people have to make business decisions, and it is totally out of my control," Tatum said. "I've just got to control myself and what I do and working out and playing the game I love. And I tell people all the time that if I get traded, there's nothing I can do. I'm not going to be upset or mad [at] who I play for. I just love to play basketball."
This comes after Shams Charania of The Athletic reported that the Celtics are among a group of teams that plan to be "aggressive" in their pursuit of Davis. Even if Irving ends up signing elsewhere in free agency, that wouldn't prohibit the team from going to great lengths in order to acquire the New Orleans Pelicans star.

[Silky]

On Tuesday, Tatum joined Jeff Goodman on the "Good N' Plenty" podcast and admitted that he realizes that the NBA is a "business."
"The NBA is a business, and people have to make business decisions, and it is totally out of my control," Tatum said. "I've just got to control myself and what I do and working out and playing the game I love. And I tell people all the time that if I get traded, there's nothing I can do. I'm not going to be upset or mad [at] who I play for. I just love to play basketball."
This comes after Shams Charania of The Athletic reported that the Celtics are among a group of teams that plan to be "aggressive" in their pursuit of Davis. Even if Irving ends up signing elsewhere in free agency, that wouldn't prohibit the team from going to great lengths in order to acquire the New Orleans Pelicans star.

This kid should not be traded.

If Danny insists on fighting for a top 6 record then keep tatum out of the negotiations for when Davis leaves in a year.

Honestly the only way I accept a Davis deal is if we keep Tatum and get Conley as well.

Conley
Hayward
Tatum
Horford
Davis

Thats is potentially a challenger for the title

[Somebody]

On Tuesday, Tatum joined Jeff Goodman on the "Good N' Plenty" podcast and admitted that he realizes that the NBA is a "business."
"The NBA is a business, and people have to make business decisions, and it is totally out of my control," Tatum said. "I've just got to control myself and what I do and working out and playing the game I love. And I tell people all the time that if I get traded, there's nothing I can do. I'm not going to be upset or mad [at] who I play for. I just love to play basketball."
This comes after Shams Charania of The Athletic reported that the Celtics are among a group of teams that plan to be "aggressive" in their pursuit of Davis. Even if Irving ends up signing elsewhere in free agency, that wouldn't prohibit the team from going to great lengths in order to acquire the New Orleans Pelicans star.

This kid should not be traded.

If Danny insists on fighting for a top 6 record then keep tatum out of the negotiations for when Davis leaves in a year.

Honestly the only way I accept a Davis deal is if we keep Tatum and get Conley as well.

Conley
Hayward
Tatum
Horford
Davis

Thats is potentially a challenger for the title

Hayward at SG is not a recipe for any contender tbh. The above starting 5 would also take up at least 125M in salary assuming that Horford takes a paycut in the range of 20 million.

[Celtics4ever]

If Danny insists on fighting for a top 6 record then keep tatum out of the negotiations for when Davis leaves in a year.

Honestly the only way I accept a Davis deal is if we keep Tatum and get Conley as well.

I just do not see them biting without Tatum.

[RodyTur10]

Logic - from what we can gather thus far from the minimal leaks involving the Celtics package, one thing is clear: Griffin highly values Tatum as the ultimate prize for AD. Per reports, we could probably get away with a package of something like Tatum, Smart, salary filler, and #14 pick for AD at this point, which for AD is a pretty great deal.

Let's imagine that Danny has a pretty good idea that Kyrie is going to Brooklyn, yet he still says screw it and decides he is going for it now. He then puts the ultimatum back on Griffin and says, "Fine, if you want Tatum and the Memphis pick, then I want Jrue back along with AD." While NOLA is not actively shopping Jrue, I think they would seriously consider trading him under these conditions. So a couple of assumptions first:

Assumption 1 - NOLA would trade Jrue alongside AD in the right package, even though they currently aren't actively searching for a trade.

Assumption 2 - Horford is willing to opt-in to the final year of his contract and be traded to another contender, specifically the Rockets. This has been floated about a lot in the media as a plan B option if the C's go young, so I think it's fairly plausible, especially to Houston since they were high on his list in free agency. This would give Horford and Houston a serious shot to come out of the West.

Assumption 3 - Rozier is willing to sign a $60M/4 Year deal in NOLA. I think this is also fairly plausible, as this would allow him a starting position (which is his first priority), alongside a really young and talented group. I also don't think this contract is unreasonable if Griffin still thinks he can replicate something at least close to "2018 Playoff Terry" with a bigger role and more touches. That said, Smart can easily take Rozier's place in this trade if this assumption wouldn't play out, as the money would still work (I believe).

The Trade:

Boston: AD, Holiday, Hartenstein (Non-guaranteed salary filler)

NOLA: Capela, Rozier, Gordon (possible further trade bait for NOLA), Tatum, 2020 Memphis pick, 2019 # 20 pick

Houston: Horford, Moore, 2019 #22 pick

Here's the salary breakdown that I think I have right and which works:

Pelicans Out:                    Pelicans In:
Jrue - $26,131,111                 Rozier - $15,000,000
AD - $27,093, 019                 Tatum - $7,830,000
Moore - $8,664,928                 Gordon - $14,057,730
Total - $61,889,058                 Capela - $16,896,552
Total - $53,784,282

Boston Out:                    Boston In:
Rozier - $15,000,000 ($7.5M outgoing)     AD - $27,093, 019
Tatum - $7,830,000                 Jrue - $26,131,111
Horford - $30,123,015                   Hartenstein -  $1,416,852
Total - $45,453,015                 Total - $54,640,982

Houston Out:                    Houston In:
Capela - $16,896,552                 Horford - $30,123,015
Gordon - $14,057,730              Moore - $8,664,928
Hartenstein -  $1,416,852              Total - $38,787,943
Total - $32,321,134

Why for NOLA - This gets them their single prize to pair with Zion (Tatum), the Memphis pick and another first round pick this year, alongside two young vets with solid starting potential who also pair well with the rest of the roster. That's a really good haul for those two players given the context. Further, a young core of Zion, Tatum, Capela, Rozier, #22 pick, and the Memphis pick in 2020/2021 is super exciting and fits really well together as a fast-paced, athletic running team. They would definitely become prime time NBA League Pass material.

Why for Houston - It has already been reported that Morey is ready and willing to trade anyone and everyone not named Harden in order to improve the squad to be a more realistic threat this year. In the playoffs, Capela really struggled trying to guard GS's perimeter guys on switches, and he doesn't look to be the kind of offensive fit that they need to really come out of the West given his limited offensive game and lack of spacing. Horford, on the other hand, is an excellent fit in that offense and would make them so much deadlier offensively with his spacing and passing, while still being able to be an anchor defensively. And while they do lose Gordon in the deal, they get back Moore (an even more efficient three point shooter who would thrive in D'Antoni's system) and the number 22 pick in this draft.

Why for Boston - This move would allow Boston to compete for a title this year and for the foreseeable future if we convinced AD to stay, as Holiday is a pretty underrated borderline All-Star player in his prime that plays at a high-level on both sides of the ball. If we resigned Mook to a deal somewhere around $50M/4 years, that would leave us with the following roster before considering any other free agents:

PG: Holiday, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, Smart
SF: Hayward, Semi
PF: Morris, Theis, Yabusele
C: Davis, Baynes, Williams

That's a contending roster that is very, very good on both sides of the ball and would have to be favored to come out of the East, so long as Hayward has made some improvements over the summer being farther away from the injury. Further, while we do lose a bit of youth with Tatum, we actually get younger with Davis (26) and Holiday (29) instead of having Horford, who potentially could be starting to lose a step or two. Add a rotation player with the draft pick and someone like an Ariza and/or Rubio/Beverly, and that roster is stacked. It's also a good mix of vets entering/in their prime and younger guys still improving - Holiday (29), Brown (22), Hayward (29), Morris (29), Davis (26), Smart (25), Baynes (32), Semi (24), Yabusele (23), Theis (27), Williams (21).

What's even better about this is that you would significantly increase your chances of keeping AD. First, AD and Holiday are very close and really bonded as teammates, so that gives him another incentive to stay if the team succeeds. Further, by paying Morris you build up a bit of good will with Rich Paul, which while technically not supposed to matter in any AD decision, it will definitely go a long way toward making him less hostile to resigning in Boston.

So what do you say to this kind of deal if you're Danny and have a strong suspicion that Kyrie is Brooklyn-bound? Who says no?

Well worked out idea, TP. Not sure whether Horford will be keen on going to Houston. This is one of the few trade proposals I can live with.

[Bobshot]

@LakersSBN

The Lakers reportedly "feel like they’re in the driver’s seat" in trade talks for Anthony Davis. https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/6/13/18678250/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-drivers-seat-anthony-davis-rob-pelinka-kyle-kuzma-tyronn-lue-vroom?utm_campaign=silverscreenandroll&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter …

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“I think the Lakers feel like they’re in the driver’s seat, in the sense that every day that goes by now, it feels like the offers for Anthony get worse. And there’s not many other teams that can make this kind of combination of offers.

More Ramona Shelburne stunting for the Lakers lol Literally every other reporter is painting a much different picture with NOLA not impressed with LA's offer at all; hence the need to add more to it through a third team.

Stein is another LA type you don't listen to. And  don't listen to ESPN, either. That's NY.

One thing for sure. There is tremendous media pressure on Griffin to move AD to LA or NY. Don't underestimate it. Behind it is zillions of TV dollars at stake in the LA or NY markets. Money is power. TV needs playoff teams in NY and LA. And TV is where those millions in player salaries come from. Some think TV pretty much runs the major sports.

The problem  for Griffin is Ainge has a lot of cards to play --more than the Lakers have or probably can get. And he can't make a bad deal for his team. We'll see what happens. If he deals AD to Boston, he's liable to get the McHale/KG treatment by the big market media. Trouble is, Griffin never played for the Celtics.

[celticinorlando]

I think Danny has a trade up his sleeve but it won't be for Davis. It will be smaller for a Vet PG using draft picks and maybe a current player or two.

There is no reason to gut your roster for AD. I guess the question is can Boston win the title with just adding AD and losing Kyrie? I do not think so....esp if Rozier is the PG