Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[RazzelnoDazzel]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

Kinda true but not really.

Horford resigning probably only means a savings of $10 million. We will be taking on salary in the Davis deal and then he gets a raise so a good $5-6 million of that $10 million disapears.

So assuming it's Smart, Tatum and Yabu that are gone and only pick #14:

Gordon $32 mil
Horford $20 mil
Davis $27 mil
Brown $6.5 mil
Baynes(he decides to opt in, Boston has no control here) $5.4 mil
Williams $1.9 mil
Semi $1.6 mil
#20 pick $2.1 mil
#22 pick $1.9 mil
3 empty roster slots $2.7 mil

That's $101 million or so in salary and cap holds for 3 empty spots. To remain there you need to renounce Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker.

So your cap space ends up being less than the MLE.

Even if, best case scenario, you somehow get Horford to $15 million(won't happen), Baynes opts out(doubtful he gets much better offers than $5.4 million after injury riddled season) and you trade the two picks for future picks, you end up at best around $18-19 million in cap space. But again, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Ainge won't do that.

And again, I seriously doubt a Rozier sign and trade. He will be allowed to go just like Sully and Olynyk. The time to have gotten anything for Rozier passed at the trade deadline.

As I've mentioned before, I'd much rather operate just over the cap than just under so that we can utilize the full MLE. If we are in the market for a starting PG, that will be much more desirable than the crappy room exception. If we lose Irving, here's for apparently re-signing Morris or Rozier!

In my scenario I did have Horford at 15M a year and also had made 1 draft selection and traded the rest and I was around that number that 15M-19M number. Which fits for Gordon Dragic and Jeff Teague. Only
Mentioned the sign and trade because that “could” get them in cp3 territory (A team that doesn’t have cap space to sign FA, place where Rozier and Morris could start, both players can be signed on to a playoff team which they couldn’t already do) and I felt like that’s all the the things that would check the boxes for a sign and trade to ever happen. But was just a thought with raw numbers I threw up in the air. 

[RazzelnoDazzel]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

Kinda true but not really.

Horford resigning probably only means a savings of $10 million. We will be taking on salary in the Davis deal and then he gets a raise so a good $5-6 million of that $10 million disapears.

So assuming it's Smart, Tatum and Yabu that are gone and only pick #14:

Gordon $32 mil
Horford $20 mil
Davis $27 mil
Brown $6.5 mil
Baynes(he decides to opt in, Boston has no control here) $5.4 mil
Williams $1.9 mil
Semi $1.6 mil
#20 pick $2.1 mil
#22 pick $1.9 mil
3 empty roster slots $2.7 mil

That's $101 million or so in salary and cap holds for 3 empty spots. To remain there you need to renounce Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker.

So your cap space ends up being less than the MLE.

Even if, best case scenario, you somehow get Horford to $15 million(won't happen), Baynes opts out(doubtful he gets much better offers than $5.4 million after injury riddled season) and you trade the two picks for future picks, you end up at best around $18-19 million in cap space. But again, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Ainge won't do that.

And again, I seriously doubt a Rozier sign and trade. He will be allowed to go just like Sully and Olynyk. The time to have gotten anything for Rozier passed at the trade deadline.

As I've mentioned before, I'd much rather operate just over the cap than just under so that we can utilize the full MLE. If we are in the market for a starting PG, that will be much more desirable than the crappy room exception. If we lose Irving, here's for apparently re-signing Morris or Rozier!

Oh yeah we should be over the cap regardless of what we decide to do. The only slight issue is the PG, but I’m really fine with Rondo again if all else fails. Pick up some other cheap FA (MKG, thabo sefolosha, Jabari Parker, Jeff Green) are some cheap FA we shouldn’t ignore. This offseason could be fun guys.

[gpap]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

Kinda true but not really.

Horford resigning probably only means a savings of $10 million. We will be taking on salary in the Davis deal and then he gets a raise so a good $5-6 million of that $10 million disapears.

So assuming it's Smart, Tatum and Yabu that are gone and only pick #14:

Gordon $32 mil
Horford $20 mil
Davis $27 mil
Brown $6.5 mil
Baynes(he decides to opt in, Boston has no control here) $5.4 mil
Williams $1.9 mil
Semi $1.6 mil
#20 pick $2.1 mil
#22 pick $1.9 mil
3 empty roster slots $2.7 mil

That's $101 million or so in salary and cap holds for 3 empty spots. To remain there you need to renounce Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker.

So your cap space ends up being less than the MLE.

Even if, best case scenario, you somehow get Horford to $15 million(won't happen), Baynes opts out(doubtful he gets much better offers than $5.4 million after injury riddled season) and you trade the two picks for future picks, you end up at best around $18-19 million in cap space. But again, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Ainge won't do that.

And again, I seriously doubt a Rozier sign and trade. He will be allowed to go just like Sully and Olynyk. The time to have gotten anything for Rozier passed at the trade deadline.

If Ainge can carve out $18 million in cap space to get another free agent, I would think he would do it.

Horford's option is for $30 million, not $20. Secondly, I think the whole point for restructuring Horford's contract would be so the Celts can free up a little more money. I think a 3/$45 million contract is feasible for both sides. Also, I believe Ojeleye's contract is non-guaranteed.

As for Rozier, Theis, Morris, Wannamaker and Baynes...see ya later!

If Baynes picks up his option, the Celts can still trade him after the fact. With AD here, Baynes isn't going to serve much of a purpose other than using his backside to keep the bench warm.

Allen Crabbe picked up his option and the Nets still traded him (not to mention his option was for $18 mil!)

If the Celts were able to offer a free agent like say D'Angelo Russell a 4 year, $72 million offer, I think he would strongly consider it, especially if Brooklyn has their sights set on another point guard. I think he would love to come here and play with Davis.

Sadly, I think Ainge will probably stick with Rozier, which is a huge mistake (IMO)

[jambr380]

In my scenario I did have Horford at 15M a year and also had made 1 draft selection and traded the rest and I was around that number that 15M-19M number. Which fits for Gordon Dragic and Jeff Teague. Only
Mentioned the sign and trade because that “could” get them in cp3 territory (A team that doesn’t have cap space to sign FA, place where Rozier and Morris could start, both players can be signed on to a playoff team which they couldn’t already do) and I felt like that’s all the the things that would check the boxes for a sign and trade to ever happen. But was just a thought with raw numbers I threw up in the air.

Always interesting to see some creative ways to add talent; it's just that we may be giving away too much in the process. To clarify, I am definitely in favor of bringing in AD - especially if we can keep Brown and the MEM pick - but get a little uneasy in renouncing a number of our productive (yet flawed) players so that we can gain a few extra million to sign Jeff Teague. If we can keep Morris, Baynes, and [gulp] Rozier while also adding a player like Rubio or sign Teague and 3 vet min players, I think I have to go with first option.

[jambr380]

If Ainge can carve out $18 million in cap space to get another free agent, I would think he would do it.

Horford's option is for $30 million, not $20. Secondly, I think the whole point for restructuring Horford's contract would be so the Celts can free up a little more money. I think a 3/$45 million contract is feasible for both sides.

As for Rozier, Theis, Morris, Wannamaker and Baynes...see ya later!

If Baynes picks up his option, the Celts can still trade him after the fact. With AD here, Baynes isn't going to serve much of a purpose other than using his backside to keep the bench warm.

If the Celts were able to offer a free agent like say D'Angelo Russell a 4 year, $72 million offer, I think he would take strongly consider it, especially if Brooklyn has their sights set on another point guard. I think he would love to come here and play with Davis.

Sadly, I think Ainge will probably stick with Rozier, which is a huge mistake (IMO)

Hey, I'd love to add Russell if we lose Kyrie, but there is no way anybody is signing him for $18M/yr. He is 23 y/o and just made the All-Star team - he is absolutely getting a max offer from somebody and it will be up to the Nets whether they want to match the offer or let him go to sign a 2nd max guy after Irving (let's just assume this happening for a moment).

However unlikely, it might be in the Nets' best interest to do a S&T with us for Irving and acquire a couple of picks rather than letting a team like the Magic sign him outright. The numbers work pretty easily with a player like Yabu or using the salary from the picks.

[nickagneta]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

Kinda true but not really.

Horford resigning probably only means a savings of $10 million. We will be taking on salary in the Davis deal and then he gets a raise so a good $5-6 million of that $10 million disapears.

So assuming it's Smart, Tatum and Yabu that are gone and only pick #14:

Gordon $32 mil
Horford $20 mil
Davis $27 mil
Brown $6.5 mil
Baynes(he decides to opt in, Boston has no control here) $5.4 mil
Williams $1.9 mil
Semi $1.6 mil
#20 pick $2.1 mil
#22 pick $1.9 mil
3 empty roster slots $2.7 mil

That's $101 million or so in salary and cap holds for 3 empty spots. To remain there you need to renounce Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker.

So your cap space ends up being less than the MLE.

Even if, best case scenario, you somehow get Horford to $15 million(won't happen), Baynes opts out(doubtful he gets much better offers than $5.4 million after injury riddled season) and you trade the two picks for future picks, you end up at best around $18-19 million in cap space. But again, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Ainge won't do that.

And again, I seriously doubt a Rozier sign and trade. He will be allowed to go just like Sully and Olynyk. The time to have gotten anything for Rozier passed at the trade deadline.

If Ainge can carve out $18 million in cap space to get another free agent, I would think he would do it.

Horford's option is for $30 million, not $20. Secondly, I think the whole point for restructuring Horford's contract would be so the Celts can free up a little more money. I think a 3/$45 million contract is feasible for both sides.

As for Rozier, Theis, Morris, Wannamaker and Baynes...see ya later!

If Baynes picks up his option, the Celts can still trade him after the fact. With AD here, Baynes isn't going to serve much of a purpose other than using his backside to keep the bench warm.

If the Celts were able to offer a free agent like say D'Angelo Russell a 4 year, $72 million offer, I think he would take strongly consider it, especially if Brooklyn has their sights set on another point guard. I think he would love to come here and play with Davis.

Sadly, I think Ainge will probably stick with Rozier, which is a huge mistake (IMO)

I had Horford renegotiating his contract so counted his salary next year as a reasonable $20 million. Expecting him to play next year at $15 million is unreasonable, IMO. So if Horford re-signs at $20 million, best you open up is about $13-14 million

I also do not think giving up the rights to Morris, Baynes, Theis, Rozier and Wanamaker while punting 2 picks down the road, all for the chance at offering a RFA a contract that can be easily matched is something Ainge would do.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

In my scenario I did have Horford at 15M a year and also had made 1 draft selection and traded the rest and I was around that number that 15M-19M number. Which fits for Gordon Dragic and Jeff Teague. Only
Mentioned the sign and trade because that “could” get them in cp3 territory (A team that doesn’t have cap space to sign FA, place where Rozier and Morris could start, both players can be signed on to a playoff team which they couldn’t already do) and I felt like that’s all the the things that would check the boxes for a sign and trade to ever happen. But was just a thought with raw numbers I threw up in the air.

Always interesting to see some creative ways to add talent; it's just that we may be giving away too much in the process. To clarify, I am definitely in favor of bringing in AD - especially if we can keep Brown and the MEM pick - but get a little uneasy in renouncing a number of our productive (yet flawed) players so that we can gain a few extra million to sign Jeff Teague. If we can keep Morris, Baynes, and [gulp] Rozier while also adding a player like Rubio or sign Teague and 3 vet min players, I think I have to go with first option.

In a nutshell what I do

[gpap]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

Kinda true but not really.

Horford resigning probably only means a savings of $10 million. We will be taking on salary in the Davis deal and then he gets a raise so a good $5-6 million of that $10 million disapears.

So assuming it's Smart, Tatum and Yabu that are gone and only pick #14:

Gordon $32 mil
Horford $20 mil
Davis $27 mil
Brown $6.5 mil
Baynes(he decides to opt in, Boston has no control here) $5.4 mil
Williams $1.9 mil
Semi $1.6 mil
#20 pick $2.1 mil
#22 pick $1.9 mil
3 empty roster slots $2.7 mil

That's $101 million or so in salary and cap holds for 3 empty spots. To remain there you need to renounce Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker.

So your cap space ends up being less than the MLE.

Even if, best case scenario, you somehow get Horford to $15 million(won't happen), Baynes opts out(doubtful he gets much better offers than $5.4 million after injury riddled season) and you trade the two picks for future picks, you end up at best around $18-19 million in cap space. But again, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Ainge won't do that.

And again, I seriously doubt a Rozier sign and trade. He will be allowed to go just like Sully and Olynyk. The time to have gotten anything for Rozier passed at the trade deadline.

If Ainge can carve out $18 million in cap space to get another free agent, I would think he would do it.

Horford's option is for $30 million, not $20. Secondly, I think the whole point for restructuring Horford's contract would be so the Celts can free up a little more money. I think a 3/$45 million contract is feasible for both sides.

As for Rozier, Theis, Morris, Wannamaker and Baynes...see ya later!

If Baynes picks up his option, the Celts can still trade him after the fact. With AD here, Baynes isn't going to serve much of a purpose other than using his backside to keep the bench warm.

If the Celts were able to offer a free agent like say D'Angelo Russell a 4 year, $72 million offer, I think he would take strongly consider it, especially if Brooklyn has their sights set on another point guard. I think he would love to come here and play with Davis.

Sadly, I think Ainge will probably stick with Rozier, which is a huge mistake (IMO)

I had Horford renegotiating his contract so counted his salary next year as a reasonable $20 million. Expecting him to play next year at $15 million is unreasonable, IMO. So if Horford re-signs at $20 million, best you open up is about $13-14 million

I also do not think giving up the rights to Morris, Baynes, Theis, Rozier and Wanamaker while punting 2 picks down the road, all for the chance at offering a RFA a contract that can be easily matched is something Ainge would do.

I get that. I guess I'm envisioning a scenario (correct me if this isn't plausible) where if the Nets get Kyrie and Russell wants to leave because he lost his staring PG job, then the Celts sign him to an offer sheet of 4 yr/$72 mil. Knowing he's unhappy, Brooklyn decides not to match, and the two teams work out a deal where the Nets trade Russell to the Celts in exchange for a couple of future draft picks (could even be second rounders.) So the Nets at least get something in return.

Again, just a scenario and not sure if it's plausible. And then the Celts can bring back Theis and Wannamaker on vet minimum contracts and will still have their MLE they can offer to another free agent.

[nickagneta]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

Kinda true but not really.

Horford resigning probably only means a savings of $10 million. We will be taking on salary in the Davis deal and then he gets a raise so a good $5-6 million of that $10 million disapears.

So assuming it's Smart, Tatum and Yabu that are gone and only pick #14:

Gordon $32 mil
Horford $20 mil
Davis $27 mil
Brown $6.5 mil
Baynes(he decides to opt in, Boston has no control here) $5.4 mil
Williams $1.9 mil
Semi $1.6 mil
#20 pick $2.1 mil
#22 pick $1.9 mil
3 empty roster slots $2.7 mil

That's $101 million or so in salary and cap holds for 3 empty spots. To remain there you need to renounce Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker.

So your cap space ends up being less than the MLE.

Even if, best case scenario, you somehow get Horford to $15 million(won't happen), Baynes opts out(doubtful he gets much better offers than $5.4 million after injury riddled season) and you trade the two picks for future picks, you end up at best around $18-19 million in cap space. But again, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Ainge won't do that.

And again, I seriously doubt a Rozier sign and trade. He will be allowed to go just like Sully and Olynyk. The time to have gotten anything for Rozier passed at the trade deadline.

If Ainge can carve out $18 million in cap space to get another free agent, I would think he would do it.

Horford's option is for $30 million, not $20. Secondly, I think the whole point for restructuring Horford's contract would be so the Celts can free up a little more money. I think a 3/$45 million contract is feasible for both sides.

As for Rozier, Theis, Morris, Wannamaker and Baynes...see ya later!

If Baynes picks up his option, the Celts can still trade him after the fact. With AD here, Baynes isn't going to serve much of a purpose other than using his backside to keep the bench warm.

If the Celts were able to offer a free agent like say D'Angelo Russell a 4 year, $72 million offer, I think he would take strongly consider it, especially if Brooklyn has their sights set on another point guard. I think he would love to come here and play with Davis.

Sadly, I think Ainge will probably stick with Rozier, which is a huge mistake (IMO)

I had Horford renegotiating his contract so counted his salary next year as a reasonable $20 million. Expecting him to play next year at $15 million is unreasonable, IMO. So if Horford re-signs at $20 million, best you open up is about $13-14 million

I also do not think giving up the rights to Morris, Baynes, Theis, Rozier and Wanamaker while punting 2 picks down the road, all for the chance at offering a RFA a contract that can be easily matched is something Ainge would do.

I get that. I guess I'm envisioning a scenario (correct me if this isn't plausible) where if the Nets get Kyrie and Russell wants to leave because he lost his staring PG job, then the Celts sign him to an offer sheet of 4 yr/$72 mil. Knowing he's unhappy, Brooklyn decides not to match, and the two teams work out a deal where the Nets trade Russell to the Celts in exchange for a couple of future draft picks (could even be second rounders.) So the Nets at least get something in return.

Again, just a scenario and not sure if it's plausible. And then the Celts can bring back Theis and Wannamaker on vet minimum contracts and will still have their MLE they can offer to another free agent.

If you use cap space you lose the MLE and BLE. All you get is the Room Exception which is half the size of the MLE at $4.7 million.

[PhoSita]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

I'm not sure any team or combination of teams could meet this price.

If a team gave up that much to get Davis, what are the chances they still have enough talent on their roster to actually compete in the single season they have Davis under control?


The Celts can offer a young player with All-Star potential plus two 1st round picks.  They could throw in Hayward, I suppose, who might return to All-Star form as soon as next season.  But I doubt that would qualify.


This is pretty clearly just a bargaining tactic to open negotiations.  Still, that's total fantasy.  No way they get anything close to that much for Davis.


Also notable:

Griffin has offered teams no firm timetable on needing a completed deal, but he has indicated that he prefers the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed days prior to the June 20 event, in Brooklyn, league sources said.

Deal likely to be completed in the next week or so.

[Fierce1]

Good!

The sooner this can be settled, the better for Celtic fans.

[Moranis]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

I'm not sure any team or combination of teams could meet this price.

If a team gave up that much to get Davis, what are the chances they still have enough talent on their roster to actually compete in the single season they have Davis under control?


The Celts can offer a young player with All-Star potential plus two 1st round picks.  They could throw in Hayward, I suppose, who might return to All-Star form as soon as next season.  But I doubt that would qualify.


This is pretty clearly just a bargaining tactic to open negotiations.  Still, that's total fantasy.  No way they get anything close to that much for Davis.


Also notable:

Griffin has offered teams no firm timetable on needing a completed deal, but he has indicated that he prefers the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed days prior to the June 20 event, in Brooklyn, league sources said.

Deal likely to be completed in the next week or so.

That seems like Smart, Tatum, Memphis, and another 1st.  Tatum and the Memphis pick are better than the baseline such that they make up for Smart falling short of his prong.

[gift]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

I'm not sure any team or combination of teams could meet this price.

If a team gave up that much to get Davis, what are the chances they still have enough talent on their roster to actually compete in the single season they have Davis under control?


The Celts can offer a young player with All-Star potential plus two 1st round picks.  They could throw in Hayward, I suppose, who might return to All-Star form as soon as next season.  But I doubt that would qualify.


This is pretty clearly just a bargaining tactic to open negotiations.  Still, that's total fantasy.  No way they get anything close to that much for Davis.


Also notable:

Griffin has offered teams no firm timetable on needing a completed deal, but he has indicated that he prefers the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed days prior to the June 20 event, in Brooklyn, league sources said.

Deal likely to be completed in the next week or so.

That seems like Smart, Tatum, Memphis, and another 1st.  Tatum and the Memphis pick are better than the baseline such that they make up for Smart falling short of his prong.

It does seem like he's aiming just north of what Boston is likely to offer.

[wdleehi]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

I'm not sure any team or combination of teams could meet this price.

If a team gave up that much to get Davis, what are the chances they still have enough talent on their roster to actually compete in the single season they have Davis under control?


The Celts can offer a young player with All-Star potential plus two 1st round picks.  They could throw in Hayward, I suppose, who might return to All-Star form as soon as next season.  But I doubt that would qualify.


This is pretty clearly just a bargaining tactic to open negotiations.  Still, that's total fantasy.  No way they get anything close to that much for Davis.


Also notable:

Griffin has offered teams no firm timetable on needing a completed deal, but he has indicated that he prefers the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed days prior to the June 20 event, in Brooklyn, league sources said.

Deal likely to be completed in the next week or so.

That seems like Smart, Tatum, Memphis, and another 1st.  Tatum and the Memphis pick are better than the baseline such that they make up for Smart falling short of his prong.

It does seem like he's aiming just north of what Boston is likely to offer.

Of course he is.   You always aim high because gravity is going to pull it back down. 

[jpotter33]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

I'm not sure any team or combination of teams could meet this price.

If a team gave up that much to get Davis, what are the chances they still have enough talent on their roster to actually compete in the single season they have Davis under control?


The Celts can offer a young player with All-Star potential plus two 1st round picks.  They could throw in Hayward, I suppose, who might return to All-Star form as soon as next season.  But I doubt that would qualify.


This is pretty clearly just a bargaining tactic to open negotiations.  Still, that's total fantasy.  No way they get anything close to that much for Davis.


Also notable:

Griffin has offered teams no firm timetable on needing a completed deal, but he has indicated that he prefers the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed days prior to the June 20 event, in Brooklyn, league sources said.

Deal likely to be completed in the next week or so.

That seems like Smart, Tatum, Memphis, and another 1st.  Tatum and the Memphis pick are better than the baseline such that they make up for Smart falling short of his prong.

It does seem like he's aiming just north of what Boston is likely to offer.

Agreed, and Boston definitely seems to be the team best suited to a two-team AD trade. Seems like Griffin may know the package that Boston is offering (i.e. the best singular team package), and this is a way for him to tell the other teams to get creative in order to up their offers for AD.

I also wonder if the Capela rumor has anything to do with this. I could see NOLA being interested in Capela as both a longer term prospect that can fit with their group long-term, while also helping them stay competitive right now.