Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[PhoSita]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Best frontcourt in the league?

I agree with others ... Kawhi - Siakam - Gasol is better.

Butler - Harris - Embiid is better as well, though I rather doubt they can keep that together.


Hayward and Horford are nice team-first complementary players.


Rubio/Bev are solid roleplayers who don't really pressure an opposing defense.  They defend well and are capable at handling and passing the ball. 

Brown is a nice two way player who has flashes of looking like an above average wing scorer with superlative size and athleticism.


My issue with that team is a lack of a player who is dynamic and difficult for the other team handle when he has the ball in his hands.

Rubio is not a good enough scorer to be an effective lead ballhandler.  The other guys in that lineup have a lot of skill but none of them has the ball-handling ability to be a lead ballhandler.

[NKY fan]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

Craziness.

We handled Philly this year with a front court rotation of Horford, Baynes, Morris, Tatum, and Theis, but somehow keeping most of those pieces sans Tatum and maybe Morris and replacing them with a top- 5 player is going to change that?? Get real.

As for Toronto, again we played them even this year but somehow by significantly improving the front court we’ll get worse?? 

100% agree jp. TP4U. Could not have said it better myself(well, maybe without the "Get real"😏).

You guys sound like the Houston fans last year that claimed they were definitely better than the warriors and only the injury to Chris Paul stopped them. I concede that Hayward and Davis could have some success against Toronto and philly in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

[celticsclay]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

I wouldn't really consider Kawhi I frontcourt player.... also, I am really confused what you are counting as Philly's frontcourt? The only frontcourt player they have under contract is Embiid.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

Craziness.

We handled Philly this year with a front court rotation of Horford, Baynes, Morris, Tatum, and Theis, but somehow keeping most of those pieces sans Tatum and maybe Morris and replacing them with a top- 5 player is going to change that?? Get real.

As for Toronto, again we played them even this year but somehow by significantly improving the front court we’ll get worse?? 

100% agree jp. TP4U. Could not have said it better myself(well, maybe without the "Get real"😏).

You guys sound like the Houston fans last year that claimed they were definitely better than the warriors and only the injury to Chris Paul stopped them. I concede that Hayward and Davis could have some success against Toronto and philly in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

You think Hayward/Davis/Horford would struggle in the playoffs vs the Raptors or Philly? Just making sure I’m hearing this clearly.

[celticsclay]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

Craziness.

We handled Philly this year with a front court rotation of Horford, Baynes, Morris, Tatum, and Theis, but somehow keeping most of those pieces sans Tatum and maybe Morris and replacing them with a top- 5 player is going to change that?? Get real.

As for Toronto, again we played them even this year but somehow by significantly improving the front court we’ll get worse?? 

100% agree jp. TP4U. Could not have said it better myself(well, maybe without the "Get real"😏).

You guys sound like the Houston fans last year that claimed they were definitely better than the warriors and only the injury to Chris Paul stopped them. I concede that Hayward and Davis could have some success against Toronto and philly in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

You think Hayward/Davis/Horford would struggle in the playoffs vs the Raptors or Philly? Just making sure I’m hearing this clearly.

Yeah really strange stuff here.. Embiid himself I believe admitted he found Horford a challenging matchup, yet somehow us adding a top 5 player in the leage and WE struggle. WOW.

[NKY fan]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

Craziness.

We handled Philly this year with a front court rotation of Horford, Baynes, Morris, Tatum, and Theis, but somehow keeping most of those pieces sans Tatum and maybe Morris and replacing them with a top- 5 player is going to change that?? Get real.

As for Toronto, again we played them even this year but somehow by significantly improving the front court we’ll get worse?? 

100% agree jp. TP4U. Could not have said it better myself(well, maybe without the "Get real"😏).

You guys sound like the Houston fans last year that claimed they were definitely better than the warriors and only the injury to Chris Paul stopped them. I concede that Hayward and Davis could have some success against Toronto and philly in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

You think Hayward/Davis/Horford would struggle in the playoffs vs the Raptors or Philly? Just making sure I’m hearing this clearly.

Hayward has struggled mightily against Kawhi while in Utah. Embiid has destroyed Davis last few times they played and Horford is ageing.yes I think they will struggle in the playoffs against Philly and Toronto.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

Craziness.

We handled Philly this year with a front court rotation of Horford, Baynes, Morris, Tatum, and Theis, but somehow keeping most of those pieces sans Tatum and maybe Morris and replacing them with a top- 5 player is going to change that?? Get real.

As for Toronto, again we played them even this year but somehow by significantly improving the front court we’ll get worse?? 

100% agree jp. TP4U. Could not have said it better myself(well, maybe without the "Get real"😏).

You guys sound like the Houston fans last year that claimed they were definitely better than the warriors and only the injury to Chris Paul stopped them. I concede that Hayward and Davis could have some success against Toronto and philly in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

You think Hayward/Davis/Horford would struggle in the playoffs vs the Raptors or Philly? Just making sure I’m hearing this clearly.

Hayward has struggled mightily against Kawhi while in Utah. Embiid has destroyed Davis last few times they played and Horford is ageing.yes I think they will struggle in the playoffs against Philly and Toronto.

Ok, so Kawhi locks up Hayward, whose stopping Davis, Brown, And Horford?

Now philly?? Aged Horford has destroyed Embiid [dang] near every time lol. But for your argument cool, so

Embiid destroys AD, so we switch Horford on Embiid and now Davis is guarding..who? Simmons?... who wins Simmons or AD? Mind you Simmons can’t shoot so AD can sit in the paint and even help double Embiid if needed...

Like you guys don’t think this stuff through.. like I really don’t understand some of the confusion y’all be having.

Hayward/Horford/Davis
As much as you don’t want to admit it for whatever your negative reasons are 3 people who CAN make the “East All-Stars”. Horford old? Well he sure looked great last season.
Hayward hurt? Well he had 1 full offseason injury free so we will see.
Davis?? Idk what negative you could possibly come up with regarding Davis tbh.

[liam]

This is exactly what I think the trade will be:

"!! TRADE !!

Celtics get: F Anthony Davis, No. 39 pick (second round)

Pelicans get: F Jayson Tatum, PG Marcus Smart, C Guerschon Yabusele, No. 14 pick, No. 20 pick"

https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/06/latest-nba-mock-draft-2019-celtics-trade-1st-jayson-tatum-for-anthony-davis-could-knicks-get-ja-morant-sixers-get-joel-embiids-backup.html

[RazzelnoDazzel]

This is exactly what I think the trade will be:

"!! TRADE !!

Celtics get: F Anthony Davis, No. 39 pick (second round)

Pelicans get: F Jayson Tatum, PG Marcus Smart, C Guerschon Yabusele, No. 14 pick, No. 20 pick"

https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/06/latest-nba-mock-draft-2019-celtics-trade-1st-jayson-tatum-for-anthony-davis-could-knicks-get-ja-morant-sixers-get-joel-embiids-backup.html

My thoughts to until Dave through that curveball about wanting and All-Star.

[NKY fan]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

Craziness.

We handled Philly this year with a front court rotation of Horford, Baynes, Morris, Tatum, and Theis, but somehow keeping most of those pieces sans Tatum and maybe Morris and replacing them with a top- 5 player is going to change that?? Get real.

As for Toronto, again we played them even this year but somehow by significantly improving the front court we’ll get worse?? 

100% agree jp. TP4U. Could not have said it better myself(well, maybe without the "Get real"😏).

You guys sound like the Houston fans last year that claimed they were definitely better than the warriors and only the injury to Chris Paul stopped them. I concede that Hayward and Davis could have some success against Toronto and philly in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

You think Hayward/Davis/Horford would struggle in the playoffs vs the Raptors or Philly? Just making sure I’m hearing this clearly.

Hayward has struggled mightily against Kawhi while in Utah. Embiid has destroyed Davis last few times they played and Horford is ageing.yes I think they will struggle in the playoffs against Philly and Toronto.

Ok, so Kawhi locks up Hayward, whose stopping Davis, Brown, And Horford?

Now philly?? Aged Horford has destroyed Embiid [dang] near every time lol. But for your argument cool, so

Embiid destroys AD, so we switch Horford on Embiid and now Davis is guarding..who? Simmons?... who wins Simmons or AD? Mind you Simmons can’t shoot so AD can sit in the paint and even help double Embiid if needed...

Like you guys don’t think this stuff through.. like I really don’t understand some of the confusion y’all be having.

Hayward/Horford/Davis
As much as you don’t want to admit it for whatever your negative reasons are 3 people who CAN make the “East All-Stars”. Horford old? Well he sure looked great last season.
Hayward hurt? Well he had 1 full offseason injury free so we will see.
Davis?? Idk what negative you could possibly come up with regarding Davis tbh.

There is no need for Kawhi (or butler or Harris) to lock up Hayward he can help with guarding Davis 🤷🏻‍♂️. The reason for my argument is that you guys insert Hayward ( a non factor this season) and somehow assume he will help form the best front court in the league. This is not a Hollywood movie where the forgotten genius quarterback somehow decides to be a great player again.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

Craziness.

We handled Philly this year with a front court rotation of Horford, Baynes, Morris, Tatum, and Theis, but somehow keeping most of those pieces sans Tatum and maybe Morris and replacing them with a top- 5 player is going to change that?? Get real.

As for Toronto, again we played them even this year but somehow by significantly improving the front court we’ll get worse?? 

100% agree jp. TP4U. Could not have said it better myself(well, maybe without the "Get real"😏).

You guys sound like the Houston fans last year that claimed they were definitely better than the warriors and only the injury to Chris Paul stopped them. I concede that Hayward and Davis could have some success against Toronto and philly in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

You think Hayward/Davis/Horford would struggle in the playoffs vs the Raptors or Philly? Just making sure I’m hearing this clearly.

Hayward has struggled mightily against Kawhi while in Utah. Embiid has destroyed Davis last few times they played and Horford is ageing.yes I think they will struggle in the playoffs against Philly and Toronto.

Ok, so Kawhi locks up Hayward, whose stopping Davis, Brown, And Horford?

Now philly?? Aged Horford has destroyed Embiid [dang] near every time lol. But for your argument cool, so

Embiid destroys AD, so we switch Horford on Embiid and now Davis is guarding..who? Simmons?... who wins Simmons or AD? Mind you Simmons can’t shoot so AD can sit in the paint and even help double Embiid if needed...

Like you guys don’t think this stuff through.. like I really don’t understand some of the confusion y’all be having.

Hayward/Horford/Davis
As much as you don’t want to admit it for whatever your negative reasons are 3 people who CAN make the “East All-Stars”. Horford old? Well he sure looked great last season.
Hayward hurt? Well he had 1 full offseason injury free so we will see.
Davis?? Idk what negative you could possibly come up with regarding Davis tbh.

There is no need for Kawhi (or butler or Harris) to lock up Hayward he can help with guarding Davis 🤷🏻‍♂️. The reason for my argument is that you guys insert Hayward ( a non factor this season) and somehow assume he will help form the best front court in the league. This is not a Hollywood movie where the forgotten genius quarterback somehow decides to be a great player again.

Just buy some popcorn and enjoy the season 🤦🏾‍♂️

[PhoSita]

I wouldn't really consider Kawhi I frontcourt player.... also, I am really confused what you are counting as Philly's frontcourt? The only frontcourt player they have under contract is Embiid.

I think traditionally "frontcourt" refers to both forwards and the center.  Though I see it used in different ways all the time.


I'm not sure how useful it is to compare a team's "frontcourt" or "backcourt" in a vacuum without looking at the other guys in the lineup.


The Portland Trailblazers have one of the best backcourts in the league, maybe the best one apart from Houston or Golden State.  But they're a cut below the top tier contenders because their wing/forward situation is pretty weak.


Horford and Davis would be a potent combination.  A lot of inside-out skill there.  I still don't think it would be enough to make up for the team having a below average starting point guard and nobody in the lineup apart from Davis who is a really dangerous scorer.

[liam]

This is exactly what I think the trade will be:

"!! TRADE !!

Celtics get: F Anthony Davis, No. 39 pick (second round)

Pelicans get: F Jayson Tatum, PG Marcus Smart, C Guerschon Yabusele, No. 14 pick, No. 20 pick"

https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/06/latest-nba-mock-draft-2019-celtics-trade-1st-jayson-tatum-for-anthony-davis-could-knicks-get-ja-morant-sixers-get-joel-embiids-backup.html

My thoughts to until Dave through that curveball about wanting and All-Star.

Who has an All Star to send? Brooklyn but he's a free agent.... and there's this: https://nypost.com/2019/05/02/nets-star-dangelo-russell-busted-with-marijuana-at-airport/

[RazzelnoDazzel]

This is exactly what I think the trade will be:

"!! TRADE !!

Celtics get: F Anthony Davis, No. 39 pick (second round)

Pelicans get: F Jayson Tatum, PG Marcus Smart, C Guerschon Yabusele, No. 14 pick, No. 20 pick"

https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/06/latest-nba-mock-draft-2019-celtics-trade-1st-jayson-tatum-for-anthony-davis-could-knicks-get-ja-morant-sixers-get-joel-embiids-backup.html

My thoughts to until Dave through that curveball about wanting and All-Star.

Who has an All Star to send? Brooklyn but he's a free agent.... and there's this: https://nypost.com/2019/05/02/nets-star-dangelo-russell-busted-with-marijuana-at-airport/

Yeah Brooklyn kinda, but you right he has other issues. Other than that you would have to see what All-Stars are available and I promise the Lakers can grab basically any All-Star if their team direction is to rebuild. Examples of this would be Beal, Lilliard, Derozan

[CelticsElite]

The New Orleans Pelicans have begun to provide teams interested in trading for Anthony Davis the framework of a package they are seeking including multi-team scenarios.

David Griffin had previously hoped to convince Davis to remain with the Pelicans.

The Los Angeles Clippers, Los Angeles Lakers, New York Knicks and Brooklyn Nets have been among the teams inquiring with the Pelicans. The Boston Celtics are in a "holding pattern" and must take into consideration the future of Kyrie Irving before committing to a significant offer to the Pelicans for Davis.

Griffin hasn't sounded convinced that a single team will be able to fulfill what he is seeking for Davis and is working to find multi-team scenarios.

Griffin would prefer the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed before the June 20th draft. Griffin is seeking an All-Star, a young player with All-Star potential and two first round picks with those wishes on a sliding scale.