Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[RazzelnoDazzel]

If the team trades for AD and we assume Kyrie isn't coming back, the next logical move in my mind is to trade for Conley.


If the #14 pick and the MEM pick are in the AD trade that makes things tricky.

I would try to move Hayward + 20 + 22 for Conley.  Hopefully something close to that would be sufficient.  I doubt Memphis is going to do much better than that.


The only hope for keeping AD is to be a contender right away, and you aren't contending for a title with Terry Rozier as your lead ballhandler.

Well this trade will leave a hole in your lineup for a shooter and you also no longer have a future (Young guys + Picks are gone) which cancels your flexibility of a team. The only way I’d trade Hayward + picks is for a substantial upgrade at either the PG or wing, Or for future picks from somewhere.

Mike Conley is a huge upgrade over Rozier.


Again, it would be absolutely insane to trade for Davis without having a plan to put a team around him that can contend next year.

You're not contending if the guy responsible for handling the ball and initiating the offense is Terry Rozier.


I anticipate that some would suggest that the initiators could be Hayward and Horford.  I think those guys are really nice to have as secondary playmakers.  In today's league unless your primary scorer / star is a ballhandler (e.g. LeBron, Giannis etc) I don't think you can get away with having your main guard be as mediocre and as prone to tunnel-vision as Terry.


I agree with you that trading for AD and then also trading picks and Hayward for Conley leaves the team with basically no more assets or future flexibility. 

If the team is trading for AD, I think that's kind of the idea.  You're going all-in.  You're saying, "We believe Davis, Horford, Conley, Brown can win a title next year, or come really close, and we believe it so strongly we don't care if it all blows up after one year." 

Makes no sense to go halfway if you're trying to trade for and keep AD.  You need to be willing to go for it immediately or else you may as well not bother.

Wouldn't it be better to keep Hayward and go after a mid-tier guard like Rubio or something?

Hayward+Rubio > Conley?

Not if your goal is to be good enough next year to convince Davis to stay.

If you have a mediocre starting point guard and the guy you want to be doing most of the scoring is not your primary offensive initiator, I don't see that working.  Particularly not in the playoffs.

I mean you are speaking about Conley like he’s a top 10 PG or something.... he’s been in the league for 11 years, any accolades? All-Star games? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team anything? I’m not saying he’s trash but he’s not much better than Rubio...if you are going to “trade” for a PG and are getting rid of Hayward then he might as well be a PG somewhat of a top PG. other wise you might as well keep Hayward and sign Rondo or Rubio

[Irish Stew]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtics fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2 3P%

[RazzelnoDazzel]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2 3P%

I mean I hope we can do better, but if that’s what we can get that’s what we can get.

[Roy H.]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2% 3P%

Yeah, those who hated the Smart / Rozier pairing would have nightmares watching Smart / Rubio. There would be a lot of bricks thrown up there.

That said, we’d be fine if Gordo recovered fully.  There needs to be somebody in the lineup who can volume score from long range.

[Kuberski33]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2 3P%

Another guard who can't shoot - perfect.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2% 3P%

Yeah, those who hated the Smart / Rozier pairing would have nightmares watching Smart / Rubio. There would be a lot of bricks thrown up there.

That said, we’d be fine if Gordo recovered fully.  There needs to be somebody in the lineup who can volume score from long range.

Will be a Rubio/Brown there is no Smart with Davis on the roster.

[Roy H.]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2% 3P%

Yeah, those who hated the Smart / Rozier pairing would have nightmares watching Smart / Rubio. There would be a lot of bricks thrown up there.

That said, we’d be fine if Gordo recovered fully.  There needs to be somebody in the lineup who can volume score from long range.

Will be a Rubio/Brown there is no Smart with Davis on the roster.

That’s probably true. Whoever we bring in for backups will need to be able to shoot, though. Teams need to have at least one viable scorer in the backcourt at all times.

[GreenEnvy]

Trade for Davis regardless of Kyrie’s decision.

If he leaves, you have to push Hayward to be the leader on offense like he was on Utah and just couldn’t be with Kyrie. If Kyrie stays, Gordon probably remains Sixth Man.

I have a hard time giving up Smart. Tatum, whatever picks, that’s fine. I guess it’s nice to keep Brown, but losing Smart is a tough pill to swallow.

I have faith that Ainge will round out the roster with quality (and complimentary) players.

Davis/Hayward/Horford/Brown has the potential to be the greatest quartet in the league (if GSW disbands).

[RazzelnoDazzel]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2% 3P%

Yeah, those who hated the Smart / Rozier pairing would have nightmares watching Smart / Rubio. There would be a lot of bricks thrown up there.

That said, we’d be fine if Gordo recovered fully.  There needs to be somebody in the lineup who can volume score from long range.

Will be a Rubio/Brown there is no Smart with Davis on the roster.

That’s probably true. Whoever we bring in for backups will need to be able to shoot, though. Teams need to have at least one viable scorer in the backcourt at all times.

I’m probably the minority who views Brown as EXTREMELY valuable. I see him as eventually being in the talks for MVP. Like I really think he’s great and will figure things out soon. I don’t mind him becoming a scorer. No need to argue with me on this because I could easily be the only person who sees greatness in him that I don’t st all see in Tatum.

What you can argue with me about though is I also believe Hayward will be a great shooter for us next season. That with the easy 25ppg Davis will provide it will be a cake walk in the east.

[jpotter33]

I think if Kyrie signs here at 5 years he gets $190 million or so. If he signs elsewhere he gets at a maximum 4 years for around $140 million.

For a player with a history of significant injuries, that $50M guaranteed money is no joke and something that would be hard for him to pass up. That’s true even if he’ll have more merchandising opportunities in New York, though I have to say Kyrie has plenty of national attention in Boston as it is.

Has there been any talk about him signing a shorter term deal to get more guaranteed money in a few years? He’s an 8 year vet right now, so I don’t think that works until he’s a ten year vet, correct? With his injury history, that’d be a huge risk to take on a shorter-term deal like that, even if it would give him more overall flexibility and slow him to POTENTIALLY make more long-term money.

[johnnygreen]

Do the Celtics necessarily need a traditional PG? What about bringing back Avery Bradley, who can defend and make shots. Hayward can serve as a point forward, and with the team ball movement, he could still get open shots.

I think I like the Bradley option better than Rubio (who can't shoot or defend), or Conley (who is very good, but highly overpaid).

[Silky]

Trade for Davis regardless of Kyrie’s decision.

If he leaves, you have to push Hayward to be the leader on offense like he was on Utah and just couldn’t be with Kyrie. If Kyrie stays, Gordon probably remains Sixth Man.

I have a hard time giving up Smart. Tatum, whatever picks, that’s fine. I guess it’s nice to keep Brown, but losing Smart is a tough pill to swallow.

I have faith that Ainge will round out the roster with quality (and complimentary) players.

Davis/Hayward/Horford/Brown has the potential to be the greatest quartet in the league (if GSW disbands).

Naw.

Gordon may never return to form.
Davis could easily leave another pelicans like situation here in Boston in 1 year

And you would be giving away a all nba defensive pg, a potential superstar, and picks for what?

1 year of the team trying to rediscover itself?

No tganks. That risk is way to high.

[Silky]

Right now there is as good a chance that Hayward never gets to 80% of his best season again as there is that he regains that single allstar level season he did have.


And he would absolutely HAVE to hit that level again for a deal for Davis to make sense without Kyrie

If team can make the deal without including smart I might still make it....might.
But in no way do I see a MLE signing pg, growth from Brown, Hayward being at 80% Utah level and a year older Horford equating to a championship level team around davis that is so unequivocally great that he doesn't go sign elsewhere at years end.

You dont give away great assets on an unrealistic hope

[bopna]

I think if Kyrie signs here at 5 years he gets $190 million or so. If he signs elsewhere he gets at a maximum 4 years for around $140 million.

For a player with a history of significant injuries, that $50M guaranteed money is no joke and something that would be hard for him to pass up. That’s true even if he’ll have more merchandising opportunities in New York, though I have to say Kyrie has plenty of national attention in Boston as it is.

Has there been any talk about him signing a shorter term deal to get more guaranteed money in a few years? He’s an 8 year vet right now, so I don’t think that works until he’s a ten year vet, correct? With his injury history, that’d be a huge risk to take on a shorter-term deal like that, even if it would give him more overall flexibility and slow him to POTENTIALLY make more long-term money.

the max 5 yr deal for superstars are at a dwindling rate...for some reason the league put this stipulation as an incentive for teams to retain their superstars but it does not seem to be working.

Its not working with KD and looked like it won't worked with Kyrie. Sure looked like Kemba will also look elsewhere.

What these players are doing now are signing shorter deals in the hope of cashing in as the cap rises....this is a massive loophole or risk on the part of the players as injuries are certainly one unpredictable thing, I mean look at DC at present .

[JBcat]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2% 3P%

Yeah, those who hated the Smart / Rozier pairing would have nightmares watching Smart / Rubio. There would be a lot of bricks thrown up there.

That said, we’d be fine if Gordo recovered fully.  There needs to be somebody in the lineup who can volume score from long range.

Will be a Rubio/Brown there is no Smart with Davis on the roster.

That’s probably true. Whoever we bring in for backups will need to be able to shoot, though. Teams need to have at least one viable scorer in the backcourt at all times.

I’m probably the minority who views Brown as EXTREMELY valuable. I see him as eventually being in the talks for MVP. Like I really think he’s great and will figure things out soon. I don’t mind him becoming a scorer. No need to argue with me on this because I could easily be the only person who sees greatness in him that I don’t st all see in Tatum.

What you can argue with me about though is I also believe Hayward will be a great shooter for us next season. That with the easy 25ppg Davis will provide it will be a cake walk in the east.

Brown’s season started off slow, but he had a few nagging injuries he was dealing with.  He really came on strong though as the season wore on.  I love his work ethic, mentality, seems like a good teammate, could become a very good leader, and love his 2 way potential.