Rumor: Celtics exploring trading up from #27

[tonydelk]

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/2067082820162339119


On top of all the Giannis rumors this trade up rumor dropped this morning.


I'm sure this is Stevens performing his due diligence in the case that a player high on the Cs board starts slipping on draft night. Fueled by speculation from Sam Vecnie on "The game theory podcast" that Detroit might entertain a Hauser for #21 deal I will be curious if we see that type of trade on draft night. Could Hauser + #27 start a conversation with the Hornets at #18? Feels unlikely in a strong draft but who knows.

So is the speculated DET deal Hauser for #21 or Hauser + #27 for #21?  I see it as likely that Hauser gets traded to create some salary space.  If we could get #21 for Hauser, I would take that deal.  We could still use the $27M TPE to then bring in a player.

The deal discussed on "Game Theory" was just Hauser for #21, I suspect it would be more like Hauser +27 for 21 + future 2nd? or Hauser +40 for 27?

Tough to predict who could be available as the trade up target, maybe Cenac or Carr if they fall out of the teens?

That is a big difference.  If we can get pick #21 from DET straight up for Hauser, I would do that but my expectation would be that the pick may end up going to MIL as part of a Giannis + Portis for Brown deal.  Hauser needs to go out if Portis comes back to stay under the 1st apron.  MIL may not want Hauser so he can go to another team.

If Detroit needs to trim salary they will need to trade a player.  Would a beef stew and 21 for Hauser and 27 work?  They need to give Duran some big money soon as well. 

[slamtheking]

https://x.com/JakeLFischer/status/2067082820162339119


On top of all the Giannis rumors this trade up rumor dropped this morning.


I'm sure this is Stevens performing his due diligence in the case that a player high on the Cs board starts slipping on draft night. Fueled by speculation from Sam Vecnie on "The game theory podcast" that Detroit might entertain a Hauser for #21 deal I will be curious if we see that type of trade on draft night. Could Hauser + #27 start a conversation with the Hornets at #18? Feels unlikely in a strong draft but who knows.

So is the speculated DET deal Hauser for #21 or Hauser + #27 for #21?  I see it as likely that Hauser gets traded to create some salary space.  If we could get #21 for Hauser, I would take that deal.  We could still use the $27M TPE to then bring in a player.

The deal discussed on "Game Theory" was just Hauser for #21, I suspect it would be more like Hauser +27 for 21 + future 2nd? or Hauser +40 for 27?

Tough to predict who could be available as the trade up target, maybe Cenac or Carr if they fall out of the teens?

That is a big difference.  If we can get pick #21 from DET straight up for Hauser, I would do that but my expectation would be that the pick may end up going to MIL as part of a Giannis + Portis for Brown deal.  Hauser needs to go out if Portis comes back to stay under the 1st apron.  MIL may not want Hauser so he can go to another team.

If Detroit needs to trim salary they will need to trade a player.  Would a beef stew and 21 for Hauser and 27 work?  They need to give Duran some big money soon as well.

if that were the deal I'd do it in a heartbeat.  Thing is, I don't know that Det wouldn't see Stewart as more valuable and want more than Hauser and #27.  Brad would have to make a sales pitch that unloading an extra year of Stew's contract isn't worth more compensation to them.

Ideally, we'd just move Hauser for #21 but Spotrac is rejecting that trade.  I'm sure there's some finagling Brad could do -- maybe Hauser and #40 for Stew and #21 as a 'favor' to Det for taking on that larger contract (both per year and in length)

[Vermont Green]

Celtics2021 said that DET could use their full MLE to take in Hauser, even though this is a trade not a FA.  Google AI also says this:

Yes, under the current NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), teams can use their Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception (NT-MLE) and Room Mid-Level Exception (R-MLE) to acquire players via trade. This allows the exceptions to function essentially like traded player exceptions.

This would hard cap DET at the 1st apron.  Spotrac shows DET as being well below the 1st apron so it should work but it doesn't seem to on the trade machine.  I believe that a straight trade of Hauser for #21 should work.  DET still has to pay some players, but they would have a lot of financial flexibility still.

[Moranis]

Talking about moving up some isn't news or anything to reslly discuss.  If you start hear rumors about the Celtics looking to move into the lottery, that is something. 

[slamtheking]

Celtics2021 said that DET could use their full MLE to take in Hauser, even though this is a trade not a FA.  Google AI also says this:

Yes, under the current NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), teams can use their Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception (NT-MLE) and Room Mid-Level Exception (R-MLE) to acquire players via trade. This allows the exceptions to function essentially like traded player exceptions.

This would hard cap DET at the 1st apron.  Spotrac shows DET as being well below the 1st apron so it should work but it doesn't seem to on the trade machine.  I believe that a straight trade of Hauser for #21 should work.  DET still has to pay some players, but they would have a lot of financial flexibility still.

any option to get it to work is fine by me.  Hauser and 40 for Stewart and 21.  Get a second first rounder and a solid big man to pair with Q

[jambr380]

Celtics2021 said that DET could use their full MLE to take in Hauser, even though this is a trade not a FA.  Google AI also says this:

Yes, under the current NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), teams can use their Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception (NT-MLE) and Room Mid-Level Exception (R-MLE) to acquire players via trade. This allows the exceptions to function essentially like traded player exceptions.

This would hard cap DET at the 1st apron.  Spotrac shows DET as being well below the 1st apron so it should work but it doesn't seem to on the trade machine.  I believe that a straight trade of Hauser for #21 should work.  DET still has to pay some players, but they would have a lot of financial flexibility still.

any option to get it to work is fine by me.  Hauser and 40 for Stewart and 21.  Get a second first rounder and a solid big man to pair with Q

If we did Hauser and 27 for Stewart and nothing, I would be happy. I can't imagine Hauser has more value than Stewart. That'd still give us around $10M to use on the MLE for a guard and still be under the tax

[SparzWizard]

If Detroit wants Hauser then I would do the deal in a heartbeat. I value Hauser pretty low. A good 7th or 8th bench player and nothing more. He'll shine most times in the regular season but in playoffs is a disappearing act.

Just give us Stewart and a pick. And then maybe flip that pick and Brown for Giannis.

[keevsnick]

One nice thing about Hauser is his contract does fit easily into the Full MLE. That allows you to move him without taking back salary, which would be one of the upsides to a trade. Move off Hauser and the C's could potentially use that money to DECLINE Queta's contract making him a RFA and re-sign him to a longer term deal a year early. That could help the C's spread out the money they will owe on his next contract.