Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[celticsclay]

and here we go...im thinking either Celtics or Knicks..they not trading him to a Western team

Don't count out the Clippers. Jerry West has an amazing track record of getting these kind of moves done.

People keep saying the Clips, but I just don’t see them being a true contender for him. They’re pretty clearly a distant fourth, I think, especially with how much variability there would be with their package.

depends on what the Pels think of SGA and the unprotected Miami pick.  Plus they'd get Gallo who can either keep them competitive or can be moved for additional assets.  Throw in Shamet and all of a sudden that package is pretty good, especially if the Pels really like SGA.

I feel like this is a weird post from you because when I said the 76ers gave up a real lot for Harris you called it some late round picks and a meh prospect in shame. Now it is a significant part of the ad package. Which is it?

[Silky]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I want to crap all over that trade.

But I can see the logic behing it.

I could argue points as to why it works for all parties involved.

[Moranis]

and here we go...im thinking either Celtics or Knicks..they not trading him to a Western team

Don't count out the Clippers. Jerry West has an amazing track record of getting these kind of moves done.

People keep saying the Clips, but I just don’t see them being a true contender for him. They’re pretty clearly a distant fourth, I think, especially with how much variability there would be with their package.

depends on what the Pels think of SGA and the unprotected Miami pick.  Plus they'd get Gallo who can either keep them competitive or can be moved for additional assets.  Throw in Shamet and all of a sudden that package is pretty good, especially if the Pels really like SGA.

I feel like this is a weird post from you because when I said the 76ers gave up a real lot for Harris you called it some late round picks and a meh prospect in shame. Now it is a significant part of the ad package. Which is it?

Uh, Shamet was the 4th most important piece in a 4 piece trade.  And the Miami pick is a total unknown.  Some people might value it a lot (hence my statement depends on what Pels think of the unprotected Miami pick).  I personally don't as I don't see Miami totally bottoming out, but when they are unprotected anything can happen in the lottery and the Pels might actually value that pick highly.  Reading entire posts and taking things in context eliminates a lot of confusion.  You should try that.

[celticsclay]

and here we go...im thinking either Celtics or Knicks..they not trading him to a Western team

Don't count out the Clippers. Jerry West has an amazing track record of getting these kind of moves done.

People keep saying the Clips, but I just don’t see them being a true contender for him. They’re pretty clearly a distant fourth, I think, especially with how much variability there would be with their package.

depends on what the Pels think of SGA and the unprotected Miami pick.  Plus they'd get Gallo who can either keep them competitive or can be moved for additional assets.  Throw in Shamet and all of a sudden that package is pretty good, especially if the Pels really like SGA.

I feel like this is a weird post from you because when I said the 76ers gave up a real lot for Harris you called it some late round picks and a meh prospect in shame. Now it is a significant part of the ad package. Which is it?

Uh, Shamet was the 4th most important piece in a 4 piece trade.  And the Miami pick is a total unknown.  Some people might value it a lot (hence my statement depends on what Pels think of the unprotected Miami pick).  I personally don't as I don't see Miami totally bottoming out, but when they are unprotected anything can happen in the lottery and the Pels might actually value that pick highly.  Reading entire posts and taking things in context eliminates a lot of confusion.  You should try that.

You can explain yourself without the attitude man. If I put your posts side by side people would certainly understand why I asked it. You can have a little decorum, especially as a mod.

[SHAQATTACK]

The Clippers and the Nets aren't getting AD. They don't have the assets to make it work. I give it a 99% chance that he goes to us, the Knicks, or the Lakers.

i hate to say this , but the team that lands AD ....probably signs Irving. 

Leturd is on pins and needles . 

[number_n9ne]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I want to crap all over that trade.

But I can see the logic behing it.

I could argue points as to why it works for all parties involved.

I think it leaves everyone in a better position, part of the reason I was so surprised by it.

[Monkhouse]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I want to crap all over that trade.

But I can see the logic behing it.

I could argue points as to why it works for all parties involved.

I think it leaves everyone in a better position, part of the reason I was so surprised by it.

That's actually a great trade that works for everyone. TP for sharing.

Only caveat is will NOP be willing to take back CP3, and on that contract? Yikes.

[RJ87]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I think New Orleans gets shafted here. They're giving up the two best players in the deal and taking on a ton of money in Chris Paul, who'd no doubt be disgruntled about going to a losing situation.

[Silky]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I want to crap all over that trade.

But I can see the logic behing it.

I could argue points as to why it works for all parties involved.

I think it leaves everyone in a better position, part of the reason I was so surprised by it.

That's actually a great trade that works for everyone. TP for sharing.

Only caveat is will NOP be willing to take back CP3, and on that contract? Yikes.

Well,

Paul was the first star player ever in New Orleans.

Paul was the facilitator of Lob City in LA, he could now do it with Zion freaking Williamson. That would absolutely put people in the seats.

Paul can help attract free agents to play on that team.

Paul
Moore
Tatum
Zion
Capella

I think that makes the playoffs out West, certainly pushes HARD at them. Weak spot is really Moore, but they could address that with the draft picks/trading of expiring.

[Silky]

http://tradenba.com/trades/BkLbh8S0N


Slight variation

Houston gets
Jrue, Hayward, Williams 3, Boston 2019 2nd
(need to resign some front court players with MLE and LLE etc)
Jrue
Hayward
Tucker
Faried
Williams or Nene


NOP gets
Tatum, Paul, Capella, Eric Gordon, Yabusele, LAC Pick, Memphis Pick

Paul
Gordon
Tatum
Zion
Capella

Boston gets
Davis, Hill, Moore

Irving/Wannamaker
Smart/Moore
Brown/Hill
Horford/Morris
Davis/Baynes

Pick 14 and pick 22, mle and lle to use. (hill an expiring deal.)

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I think New Orleans gets shafted here. They're giving up the two best players in the deal and taking on a ton of money in Chris Paul, who'd no doubt be disgruntled about going to a losing situation.

In no way shape or form is anyone getting shafted. If NO just gets Grizzlies Pick here, and 14th pick or so they will be golden.  The only things they are missing is a young PG TO LEARN from cp3 and a SG other than that they are a near PERFECT roster and may tap into the playoffs. They have 3 players with multiple years of playoff experience in their starting rotation.

They can either draft a SG or PG in the 1st round. Let’s assume they get a 3 point shooting SG, Cameron Johnson? They will be fine with that and cross their fingers in finding a PG within the next 2 years with respect he Grizzlies Pick. My thing about CP3 is, contract aside how many PGs THAT ARE available are better than him? End of the day if it’s your team you want to put them in position to WIN point blank, so who are their PG options?

[RJ87]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I think New Orleans gets shafted here. They're giving up the two best players in the deal and taking on a ton of money in Chris Paul, who'd no doubt be disgruntled about going to a losing situation.

In no way shape or form is anyone getting shafted. If NO just gets Grizzlies Pick here, and 14th pick or so they will be golden.  The only things they are missing is a young PG TO LEARN from cp3 and a SG other than that they are a near PERFECT roster and may tap into the playoffs. They have 3 players with multiple years of playoff experience in their starting rotation.

They can either draft a SG or PG in the 1st round. Let’s assume they get a 3 point shooting SG, Cameron Johnson? They will be fine with that and cross their fingers in finding a PG within the next 2 years with respect he Grizzlies Pick. My thing about CP3 is, contract aside how many PGs THAT ARE available are better than him? End of the day if it’s your team you want to put them in position to WIN point blank, so who are their PG options?

Cp3 is 34 years old, declining and will cost more than $123m over the next 3 seasons. On top of that, he's not going to go to a rebuilding situation willingly. If you're NOLA, you can go after a guy like Ricky Rubio to be your stop-gap "vet" or even Malcolm Brogdon. Or better yet, just keep Jrue Holiday.

[Monkhouse]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I want to crap all over that trade.

But I can see the logic behing it.

I could argue points as to why it works for all parties involved.

I think it leaves everyone in a better position, part of the reason I was so surprised by it.

That's actually a great trade that works for everyone. TP for sharing.

Only caveat is will NOP be willing to take back CP3, and on that contract? Yikes.

Well,

Paul was the first star player ever in New Orleans.

Paul was the facilitator of Lob City in LA, he could now do it with Zion freaking Williamson. That would absolutely put people in the seats.

Paul can help attract free agents to play on that team.

Paul
Moore
Tatum
Zion
Capella

I think that makes the playoffs out West, certainly pushes HARD at them. Weak spot is really Moore, but they could address that with the draft picks/trading of expiring.

The question is, why would NOP want to even sniff the playoffs? They need to follow the same model as the Cavs and start taking on terrible contracts for assets. Capela makes sense, I guess, as a young big, but him and Zion would severely conflict with each other.

That team is going to have some severe spacing issues.

Their best shooter is probably E'Tawuan Moore. But sure, they could presumably maybe hit 35-40 wins. That is being generous though.

[Silky]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I want to crap all over that trade.

But I can see the logic behing it.

I could argue points as to why it works for all parties involved.

I think it leaves everyone in a better position, part of the reason I was so surprised by it.

That's actually a great trade that works for everyone. TP for sharing.

Only caveat is will NOP be willing to take back CP3, and on that contract? Yikes.

Well,

Paul was the first star player ever in New Orleans.

Paul was the facilitator of Lob City in LA, he could now do it with Zion freaking Williamson. That would absolutely put people in the seats.

Paul can help attract free agents to play on that team.

Paul
Moore
Tatum
Zion
Capella

I think that makes the playoffs out West, certainly pushes HARD at them. Weak spot is really Moore, but they could address that with the draft picks/trading of expiring.

The question is, why would NOP want to even sniff the playoffs? They need to follow the same model as the Cavs and start taking on terrible contracts for assets. Capela makes sense, I guess, as a young big, but him and Zion would severely conflict with each other.

That team is going to have some severe spacing issues.

Their best shooter is probably E'Tawuan Moore. But sure, they could presumably maybe hit 35-40 wins. That is being generous though.

Well spacing may not be an issue if Zion actually has a 3pter.

[gouki88]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

I do not think you are dumb you just got razzled by the dazzle or dazzled by the razzle.

I’m not going to lie I still just have an empty box on my screen lol

Not sure why the image isn't coming up for you, but the trade is as follows

Boston receives: Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon.

Houston receives: Gordon Hayward and Jrue Holiday.

New Orleans receives: Chris Paul, Jayson Tatum, Clint Capela and some unspecified draft picks.

I think New Orleans gets shafted here. They're giving up the two best players in the deal and taking on a ton of money in Chris Paul, who'd no doubt be disgruntled about going to a losing situation.

In no way shape or form is anyone getting shafted. If NO just gets Grizzlies Pick here, and 14th pick or so they will be golden.  The only things they are missing is a young PG TO LEARN from cp3 and a SG other than that they are a near PERFECT roster and may tap into the playoffs. They have 3 players with multiple years of playoff experience in their starting rotation.

They can either draft a SG or PG in the 1st round. Let’s assume they get a 3 point shooting SG, Cameron Johnson? They will be fine with that and cross their fingers in finding a PG within the next 2 years with respect he Grizzlies Pick. My thing about CP3 is, contract aside how many PGs THAT ARE available are better than him? End of the day if it’s your team you want to put them in position to WIN point blank, so who are their PG options?

Cp3 is 34 years old, declining and will cost more than $123m over the next 3 seasons. On top of that, he's not going to go to a rebuilding situation willingly. If you're NOLA, you can go after a guy like Ricky Rubio to be your stop-gap "vet" or even Malcolm Brogdon. Or better yet, just keep Jrue Holiday.

Yep. NOP getting 100% shafted.