Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Monkhouse]

No team is going to take on Hayward contract..just hope he return as the Utah Hayward next 3 years

He doesnt have 3 years left, its 1+1 years left.

he has a player option for the 20-21 season, so it's quite possible that he opts OUT of that season, meaning he is only 1 more year.

Which INCREASES his value

You seriously think Hayward would opt out of over $30 million guaranteed money?

We are all under the assumptiin that Durant and Horford will.

Did you even bother reading before you posted that... Come on dude...

KD/Al are both opting out for different contracts or to garner a more favorable one. Hayward would be foolish to even consider opting out of $30 million, but it would be nice if he agreed to opt out for a team friendly contract. I still think he can bounce back.

[Silky]

No team is going to take on Hayward contract..just hope he return as the Utah Hayward next 3 years

He doesnt have 3 years left, its 1+1 years left.

he has a player option for the 20-21 season, so it's quite possible that he opts OUT of that season, meaning he is only 1 more year.

Which INCREASES his value

You seriously think Hayward would opt out of over $30 million guaranteed money?

We are all under the assumptiin that Durant and Horford will.

Did you even bother reading before you posted that... Come on dude...

KD/Al are both opting out for different contracts or to garner a more favorable one. Hayward would be foolish to even consider opting out of $30 million, but it would be nice if he agreed to opt out for a team friendly contract. I still think he can bounce back.

you are not doing a good job of debating against Hayward opting out.

He can get more years, and more money, and be eligible for more money sooner on an opt out than an opt in.

Again, I am going to make the assumption that on a team with more opportunity for him his numbers will go up from what they were on a team crowded for opportunity.

Just based on last years low usage and back seat roll and a terrible start to the season he went for 16, 6 and 4.5 on solid shooting percentages (per 36)

It is not unreasonable to see him returning to a 19 5 and 5 ish range of a player, in which opting out opens door for more money

[nickagneta]

So uhm Lakers are favorites to land Anthony Davis?

https://sports.yahoo.com/lakers-the-favorite-to-land-anthony-davis-according-to-oddsmaker-141202208.html?src=rss

Dunno what the oddsmakers know, but the chances of the Lakers getting AD seem quite low given that Brandon Ingram's trade value is still murky, the Lakers are quite infamously in disarray as an organization, and New Orleans is still supposedly entirely opposed to making any sort of deal with Pelinka and co.

By my logic it's 1 of 2 things:

1) LA is a top 2 market full of dumb fans / bettors, and the Lakers have the most fans of any team.

2) Kyrie isn't coming back to Boston so DA won't try and outbid LA's godfather offer, making LA the prohibitive favorite, as some see tham at #2.

Or it could be something less obvious or that I'm simply not considering.

It was just one sports book and even then the odds we're all very close

Lakers 1-1
Celtics and Pelicans 2-1
Knicks 4-1

[Vermont Green]

You always have to remind yourself that odds are based on how Vegas thinks people will bet, not necessarily how they think something will turn out.  This seems like a really dumb thing to bet on anyway

Are there odds if you want to bet he stays in New Orleans?

[BitterJim]

No team is going to take on Hayward contract..just hope he return as the Utah Hayward next 3 years

He doesnt have 3 years left, its 1+1 years left.

he has a player option for the 20-21 season, so it's quite possible that he opts OUT of that season, meaning he is only 1 more year.

Which INCREASES his value

You seriously think Hayward would opt out of over $30 million guaranteed money?

We are all under the assumptiin that Durant and Horford will.

Did you even bother reading before you posted that... Come on dude...

KD/Al are both opting out for different contracts or to garner a more favorable one. Hayward would be foolish to even consider opting out of $30 million, but it would be nice if he agreed to opt out for a team friendly contract. I still think he can bounce back.

you are not doing a good job of debating against Hayward opting out.

He can get more years, and more money, and be eligible for more money sooner on an opt out than an opt in.

Again, I am going to make the assumption that on a team with more opportunity for him his numbers will go up from what they were on a team crowded for opportunity.

Just based on last years low usage and back seat roll and a terrible start to the season he went for 16, 6 and 4.5 on solid shooting percentages (per 36)

It is not unreasonable to see him returning to a 19 5 and 5 ish range of a player, in which opting out opens door for more money

The only situations where Hayward opts out are situations where he is playing well enough to make more in his next contract (say, $15-20 million per year over 3+ years) than the $30 million he makes now. It has no effect on the possible downside if trading for him, where he doesn't improve much and opts in. If you're a GM, you have to be very careful if that major downside (especially as far as public perception goes)

[footey]

Beat Writer for Pelicans expects Anthony Davis trade to get done by draft night:

https://www.ibtimes.com/nba-rumors-pelicans-set-anthony-davis-trade-deadline-lakers-offer-welcomed-2796729

[Phantom255x]

Beat Writer for Pelicans expects Anthony Davis trade to get done by draft night:

https://www.ibtimes.com/nba-rumors-pelicans-set-anthony-davis-trade-deadline-lakers-offer-welcomed-2796729

The biggest obstacle for us will be Kyrie's FA status. No point in going after AD if Kyrie walks, but I'm not sure we'll even know by then what Kyrie's intentions are. So would Danny still pull the trigger? I reckon a deal still wouldn't be officially official until July 1 since some signed draft picks ($$$) would then be in the trade package to account for some salary.

[Monkhouse]

Beat Writer for Pelicans expects Anthony Davis trade to get done by draft night:

https://www.ibtimes.com/nba-rumors-pelicans-set-anthony-davis-trade-deadline-lakers-offer-welcomed-2796729

The biggest obstacle for us will be Kyrie's FA status. No point in going after AD if Kyrie walks, but I'm not sure we'll even know by then what Kyrie's intentions are. So would Danny still pull the trigger? I reckon a deal still wouldn't be officially official until July 1 since some signed draft picks ($$$) would then be in the trade package to account for some salary.

I reckon Ainge will have numerous internal discussions with everyone, and Wyc, and then will have some idea of whether or not Irving is staying.

[nickagneta]

Beat Writer for Pelicans expects Anthony Davis trade to get done by draft night:

https://www.ibtimes.com/nba-rumors-pelicans-set-anthony-davis-trade-deadline-lakers-offer-welcomed-2796729

The biggest obstacle for us will be Kyrie's FA status. No point in going after AD if Kyrie walks, but I'm not sure we'll even know by then what Kyrie's intentions are. So would Danny still pull the trigger? I reckon a deal still wouldn't be officially official until July 1 since some signed draft picks ($$$) would then be in the trade package to account for some salary.

I would think Ainge has way more info regarding Kyrie's intentions than we ever will. If the Davis trade goes down, I think it's because Ainge knows full well what Kyrie will do.

[number_n9ne]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

[number_n9ne]

Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

The pic at the top lol

[LilRip]

So the rockets give up Gordon, CP3 and Capela to get... Hayward and Holiday?

Maybe I’m missing something but why would they downgrade their playmaking and shooting plus obliterate any inside presence they have for a chance that GH might become the all star he once was? Is the one extra year CP3 has on his contract vs GH worth that much?

[LilRip]

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

Boston gets: AD, Eric Gordon
Houston gets: Hayward, Jrue Holiday
New Orleans gets: CP3, Capela, Tatum

[footey]

So the rockets give up Gordon, CP3 and Capela to get... Hayward and Holiday?

Maybe I’m missing something but why would they downgrade their playmaking and shooting plus obliterate any inside presence they have for a chance that GH might become the all star he once was? Is the one extra year CP3 has on his contract vs GH worth that much?

Makes no sense for the Pelicans; why would they want Chris Paul? Better off keeping Holiday.