Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Silky]

Those work out trade machine wise but other teams would fall out of their chairs laughing at those offers...

Hayward for demar is a fair trade.

But celtics dont want mr iso ball disappear in the playoffs himself.

[Moranis]

Here’s a thought fellas:

Anthony Davis is a generation talent. 1 could argue he’s better than anyone on our roster will ever be. It’s either go all in on AD or no AD at all. What I mean by this is, go all in on building a championship contender around AD This year.

Smart
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

Do you think this is a starting roster that makes the Celtics a championship contender? Of course that question is suggestive, but in the end you are taking a risk on if Gordon will be back at 100%. If you get AD you can’t take a flier on players, you have to have a roster built for contention form day one. The goal is to make a deep playoff run, competitive enough for Davis to feel like either we have the squad to win it or we are just 1 piece away.

I’m not sure what that roster would look like but, You would need an upgrade for a scorer and or a PG. Rozier and or Smart won’t cut it for this process to work. Basically you would be building a team around Brown and AD for immediate contention. All I know is Brown, Morris, Horford, are the only guarantees. You will have Hayward, Rozier, Williams 3, and 2 draft picks this year to find a 3rd star.

With limited cap space you will have the opportunity to sign Rondo who has not only familiarity wining with the Celtics he also is the only PG who has taken AD to the playoffs.

What do you guys think about this?

that team is impossible

[Celtics4ever]

Hayward for demar is a fair trade.

SA would laugh at that.

[Somebody]

I didn't immediately see this in the forums, so I'll just post it here:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/5/29/18644921/report-anthony-davis-still-wants-to-leave-pelicans

Also, within that article is another from The Bird Writes (Pelicans blog) where they think they are getting: Tatum Brown Smart 14th and 22nd this year and Memphis pick for AD - a player who is demanding a trade that has one year left on his contract. That about makes sense.

If they do trade for AD, no way in hell do I give up ALL 3 of Smart/Brown/Tatum. Only 2.

I'd also like to see what other teams are offering (LAL/NYK). Is LAL actually still willing to give up their entire youth core? How does NOP view them now (Ingram blood clots, Lonzo family drama, etc.). And outside #3, what else does NYK really have to offer? Knox, then what?

I think Tatum, 1 of Brown/Smart, Picks (Memphis included) is still a very strong offer. Maybe that's "equal trade value" to what LAL/NYK has to offer but come on, that's not a "weak offer" either.

Personally, I'm just not as convinced other teams are truly offering up the farm despite what reports may say. Remember, most of those reports have come from the likes of Windhorst, Haynes, etc. who are pushing the AD-to-LA narrative, and Stephen A. Smith for the Knicks side. Basically just adding some pressure NOLA's way trying to force them to deal AD to them.

Like, do we really think LAL is offering ALL of Kuzma, Ingram, Hart, Ball and #4? I doubt it. Maybe 3 of those 5 assets but I doubt all. Or if they really are, then just let them have AD lol.

I'll go even further than that-no way should we give up both Tatum and Brown under any circumstances in an AD trade. It just doesn't make sense, Pels fans say Kyrie/AD wins you championships, but I don't see us beating teams like Toronto (if they keep Kawhi) and Golden State (if Durant stays, which I think is a very real possibility) who have 3-4 all stars with at least 1 proven transcendent superstar. AD is great, but I don't think he's on that level yet. If we are going to contend with Kyrie/AD/Horford, we need at least one of Brown or Tatum to stick around and provide us with an elite wing presence. I'd like to have whatever Pels fans are smoking if they think that Brown and Tatum are the minimum we need to offer to get AD, and that us trading such a package for AD while opening holes in our guard and wing rotation makes us a championship contender.

[Silky]

I still firmly believe that the deal will not be nearly what people are stating that it is going to be.

add that to the notion that Danny did not make a move at the deadline and I think he has other tricks up his sleeve, or some Knowledge about a potential package.

I believe it involves Hayward to potentially a third team.

SAS for Aldridge and Bellinelli
Charlotte for Biombo and Monk
Detroit for Jackson, Luerer and a Pick
Miami for Anderson and Waiters


all just examples of deals that would net Celtics pieces that they can include into a davis Deal. IE look at Miami, Miami gets immediate help with a reliable shooter and secondary playmaker, Anderson is a 20 mill expiring deal that can go to Pelicans with Tatum ad a couple picks for a straight up Davis deal.

[Somebody]

I still firmly believe that the deal will not be nearly what people are stating that it is going to be.

add that to the notion that Danny did not make a move at the deadline and I think he has other tricks up his sleeve, or some Knowledge about a potential package.

I believe it involves Hayward to potentially a third team.

SAS for Aldridge and Bellinelli
Charlotte for Biombo and Monk
Detroit for Jackson, Luerer and a Pick
Miami for Anderson and Waiters


all just examples of deals that would net Celtics pieces that they can include into a davis Deal. IE look at Miami, Miami gets immediate help with a reliable shooter and secondary playmaker, Anderson is a 20 mill expiring deal that can go to Pelicans with Tatum ad a couple picks for a straight up Davis deal.

San Antonio would hang the phone laughing, Aldridge is an actual all star big man lol. If we somehow get him for Hayward+picks we'd be in very solid shape with or without AD. A Kyrie-Brown-Tatum-Horford-LMA lineup is championship level imo.

[gouki88]

I still firmly believe that the deal will not be nearly what people are stating that it is going to be.

add that to the notion that Danny did not make a move at the deadline and I think he has other tricks up his sleeve, or some Knowledge about a potential package.

I believe it involves Hayward to potentially a third team.

SAS for Aldridge and Bellinelli
Charlotte for Biombo and Monk
Detroit for Jackson, Luerer and a Pick
Miami for Anderson and Waiters


all just examples of deals that would net Celtics pieces that they can include into a davis Deal. IE look at Miami, Miami gets immediate help with a reliable shooter and secondary playmaker, Anderson is a 20 mill expiring deal that can go to Pelicans with Tatum ad a couple picks for a straight up Davis deal.

San Antonio would hang the phone laughing, Aldridge is an actual all star big man lol. If we somehow get him for Hayward+picks we'd be in very solid shape with or without AD. A Kyrie-Brown-Tatum-Horford-LMA lineup is championship level imo.

Yep. And the other three are simply terrible terrible deals.

The insistence by some to move Hayward is just stubborn at this stage

[Birdman]

No team is going to take on Hayward contract..just hope he return as the Utah Hayward next 3 years

[Androslav]

No team is going to take on Hayward contract..just hope he return as the Utah Hayward next 3 years

1+1 years.

[Silky]

I still firmly believe that the deal will not be nearly what people are stating that it is going to be.

add that to the notion that Danny did not make a move at the deadline and I think he has other tricks up his sleeve, or some Knowledge about a potential package.

I believe it involves Hayward to potentially a third team.

SAS for Aldridge and Bellinelli
Charlotte for Biombo and Monk
Detroit for Jackson, Luerer and a Pick
Miami for Anderson and Waiters


all just examples of deals that would net Celtics pieces that they can include into a davis Deal. IE look at Miami, Miami gets immediate help with a reliable shooter and secondary playmaker, Anderson is a 20 mill expiring deal that can go to Pelicans with Tatum ad a couple picks for a straight up Davis deal.

San Antonio would hang the phone laughing, Aldridge is an actual all star big man lol. If we somehow get him for Hayward+picks we'd be in very solid shape with or without AD. A Kyrie-Brown-Tatum-Horford-LMA lineup is championship level imo.

No that isnt championship level at all.

And Aldridge asked for a trade midseason.

He is 33 years old and an old school type player who does not spread the floor at all.

[Silky]

I still firmly believe that the deal will not be nearly what people are stating that it is going to be.

add that to the notion that Danny did not make a move at the deadline and I think he has other tricks up his sleeve, or some Knowledge about a potential package.

I believe it involves Hayward to potentially a third team.

SAS for Aldridge and Bellinelli
Charlotte for Biombo and Monk
Detroit for Jackson, Luerer and a Pick
Miami for Anderson and Waiters


all just examples of deals that would net Celtics pieces that they can include into a davis Deal. IE look at Miami, Miami gets immediate help with a reliable shooter and secondary playmaker, Anderson is a 20 mill expiring deal that can go to Pelicans with Tatum ad a couple picks for a straight up Davis deal.

San Antonio would hang the phone laughing, Aldridge is an actual all star big man lol. If we somehow get him for Hayward+picks we'd be in very solid shape with or without AD. A Kyrie-Brown-Tatum-Horford-LMA lineup is championship level imo.

Yep. And the other three are simply terrible terrible deals.

The insistence by some to move Hayward is just stubborn at this stage

You need to make up your mind

Hayward is too good to trade, Hayward is not good enough for parts.

Please depart with some knowledge as to Hayward's worth?

For the Celtics, its low because he and Irving WILL NOT work together on the floor, as evidenced by an entire season. But Hayward was an allstar, and looks to be back close to form from those Utah days.

So is a much younger 20ppg scorer not worth a older 20ppg scorer?

But he is worth more than expiring contracts and a young player?

[Silky]

No team is going to take on Hayward contract..just hope he return as the Utah Hayward next 3 years

He doesnt have 3 years left, its 1+1 years left.

he has a player option for the 20-21 season, so it's quite possible that he opts OUT of that season, meaning he is only 1 more year.

Which INCREASES his value

[Monkhouse]

No team is going to take on Hayward contract..just hope he return as the Utah Hayward next 3 years

He doesnt have 3 years left, its 1+1 years left.

he has a player option for the 20-21 season, so it's quite possible that he opts OUT of that season, meaning he is only 1 more year.

Which INCREASES his value

You seriously think Hayward would opt out of over $30 million guaranteed money?

[RazzelnoDazzel]

No team is going to take on Hayward contract..just hope he return as the Utah Hayward next 3 years

He doesnt have 3 years left, its 1+1 years left.

he has a player option for the 20-21 season, so it's quite possible that he opts OUT of that season, meaning he is only 1 more year.

Which INCREASES his value

You seriously think Hayward would opt out of over $30 million guaranteed money?

Ok then it’s 1 year to see if he can return to form and another year he’s an expiring contract... that’s still not a bad deal.

[Silky]

No team is going to take on Hayward contract..just hope he return as the Utah Hayward next 3 years

He doesnt have 3 years left, its 1+1 years left.

he has a player option for the 20-21 season, so it's quite possible that he opts OUT of that season, meaning he is only 1 more year.

Which INCREASES his value

You seriously think Hayward would opt out of over $30 million guaranteed money?

We are all under the assumptiin that Durant and Horford will.

Hayward doing it would allow him to sign a potentially much larger contract as he would be at 10 years of service at that point.

If hr can give 19 4.5 and 4.5 this upcoming seasin he would get a multi year deal at 30 mill plus in the offseason from someone.

And his per 36 number this past season. Recoveribg from injury. On a team thats a bad fit was 16, 6 and 4.5