Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

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Saw this on Celticsblog.com and loved the idea.

Houston: This gets them off the Chris Paul contract and onto a Gordon Hayward rehabilitation project. They might not like the risk, but it could beat paying Chris Paul $44 million in 2022. It also gets them Jrue Holiday, a fantastic two-way guard with crucial experience playing on and off the ball, who could likely gel with Houston’s notably guard-dominant system. I’m not sure why Houston would want drastic change after coming so close to the Finals two years in a row with the same core of players still under contract, but with an apparent power struggle between Morey and ownership, a shakeup seems inevitable. The Rockets definitely need a shakeup - I’m just not sure if that calls for a complete overhaul.

Pelicans: New Orleans would likely ask for some first-round picks in the trade, and Boston would be happy to give them up (reminder: Houston has no draft picks this year). New Orleans has almost zero chance of walking away as losers in this trade. If Paul can make them competitive in the short term, great! If not, they can develop their young players and build around Zion. Capela’s contract is extremely tradeable, meaning his acquisition wouldn’t be a strict commitment to build with him as a core player. Should another star demand to be moved, Capela could be added to sweeten any trade package. Finally, Tatum has room to grow, but without the pressure of playing in Boston. Even if he stagnates, you’ve got a reliable starting-caliber player who can get you 15-20 points and play some solid defense. Oh, and draft picks. They’re a crap shoot, but you can never have too many.

Boston: Oh boy. I don’t like the idea of giving up on Hayward and trading a good, young player for two guys with one year left on their contracts. However, the nucleus of Marcus Smart and Al Horford would still be intact, Kyrie could be convinced to re-sign, and, most importantly, my favorite son Jaylen is still on the team.

Typically I wouldn’t panic over the looming possibility of players leaving as unrestricted agents because Boston has a good track record with retaining them, but taking that gamble twice in one off-season seems risky, especially with so many players having a “preferred destination” lists with dubious levels of honesty attached to them (teams with cap space can be listed purely for leverage, making lists misleading).

I won’t reiterate the value of AD for the 1,000th time, but I’ll say that Eric Gordon is exactly the type of shooting guard the Celtics have needed for the past couple years. Despite the narrative that Boston could realistically run lineups with five good-to-great three-point shooters, one of their top priorities is finding a deadeye from deep who can play off the ball. Brad Stevens has proven his schemes can hide the defensive shortcomings of any guard, so I’m not worried about the fit there.

Eric Gordon walking away wouldn’t be back breaking. Davis leaving after one year would be pretty rough though. Again, I don’t like the risk since I still believe in both Tatum’s development and Hayward’s recovery, but it’s worth exploring possibilities to gear up for a strong run next year. We’ll know more after this summer, but there are realistic scenarios where Toronto, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all lose key players to free agency, leaving no clear favorite to come out of the conference (again).

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

The pic at the top lol

The pic is blank on my end.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Maybe I’m dumb, but what exactly is the trade?

Boston gets: AD, Eric Gordon
Houston gets: Hayward, Jrue Holiday
New Orleans gets: CP3, Capela, Tatum

Oh yeah I saw this, this is in fact a very interesting trade. Even if we don’t get Gordon this trade is very very good for all “teams”.

Now what will NO get out of CP3 is a different story. If he sets aside his differences and really buys into coaching this team he would be in a great position for the end of his career. But I think he would mess this opportunity up being a crybaby. He’s also on record as being an awful teammate which could rub off really bad on his teammates.

And NO trades for cp3 because there are no good PGs that would fit Zions timeline anyway. All PGs are focused on scoring, but in order to groom a young talent they have to have the ball in their hands at the right time. This is why bigs develop so slow, because they don’t get the ball enough. Not only that you want you young guys to stay out of trouble, you have to understand Zion is 18 and about to get a ridiculous amount of money on his lap. Having mature vets around him (could) be extremely vital. This is why the Sixers failed for so long they kept tanking in the draft for your players to build around already young players. It’s hard to mature when your constantly around your young peers.

[Bobshot]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

And comments like this just aren’t sensible. It shows you just respond with no research at all. So you don’t think the Rockets would trade Hayward for CP3 straight up? Cp3 has 3 years left on his contract Hayward could opt out after next season. Even if he opts in he will only have 1 year left and now he’s an extremely valuable expiring contract. And that is all if he doesn’t come back to Utah form, and most believe he will.

[td450]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

And comments like this just aren’t sensible. It shows you just respond with no research at all. So you don’t think the Rockets would trade Hayward for CP3 straight up? Cp3 has 3 years left on his contract Hayward could opt out after next season. Even if he opts in he will only have 1 year left and now he’s an extremely valuable expiring contract. And that is all if he doesn’t come back to Utah form, and most believe he will.

Boston and Houston would LOVE this. Its the Pelicans that say no.

It seems like a good deal at first glance because of the general high regard for CP3, but in reality, he's a huge negative due to his age and massive contract, and he would be furious at being shipped off to a rebuild, even a very good one. 

Holiday is a huge price to pay. He's 28, a great defender and a quality scorer. Capela is valuable, but probably not the kind of non shooting big they want next to Zion.

The Pelicans would be much better off making a straight up deal with Boston.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

And comments like this just aren’t sensible. It shows you just respond with no research at all. So you don’t think the Rockets would trade Hayward for CP3 straight up? Cp3 has 3 years left on his contract Hayward could opt out after next season. Even if he opts in he will only have 1 year left and now he’s an extremely valuable expiring contract. And that is all if he doesn’t come back to Utah form, and most believe he will.

Boston and Houston would LOVE this. Its the Pelicans that say no.

It seems like a good deal at first glance because of the general high regard for CP3, but in reality, he's a huge negative due to his age and massive contract, and he would be furious at being shipped off to a rebuild, even a very good one. 

Holiday is a huge price to pay. He's 28, a great defender and a quality scorer. Capela is valuable, but probably not the kind of non shooting big they want next to Zion.

The Pelicans would be much better off making a straight up deal with Boston.

Not necessarily. You kind of have to ignore CP3 salary in the process as they wouldn’t have anything else to do with their cap space. No one is signing to a rebuild, so cp3 IS THE BEST YOUR GOING TO GET.

Now the Capela argument I kinda agree. But in playing Devils advocate he may not be what you want on offense but on defense he would be needed for the Pels. Well I guess on Offence he will still get a lot of spoon fed baskets as Zion has IQ to drive and dish, so maybe it would work.

[LilRip]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

And comments like this just aren’t sensible. It shows you just respond with no research at all. So you don’t think the Rockets would trade Hayward for CP3 straight up? Cp3 has 3 years left on his contract Hayward could opt out after next season. Even if he opts in he will only have 1 year left and now he’s an extremely valuable expiring contract. And that is all if he doesn’t come back to Utah form, and most believe he will.

I guess it comes down to whether or not we believe that the value the Rockets place in getting rid of 1 year of CP3’s contract is that of relinquishing any chance of retaining Eric Gordon and also losing Capela. Are the Rockets that desperate? At this point, I don’t think so.

[footey]

Sean Deveney on this morning's Celtics Beat podcast with Adam Kaufman:

Thinks Danny is going to go all in to get Anthony Davis, even if Kyrie does not come back.  Will take risk that he walks in a year. Thinks Davis will get traded, and that Celtics will probably land him with the best package. Says Pels don't want to trade him to Western Conference, although Nuggets a possible sleeper.

Celtics trying to trade its picks for future picks, but there is not much of a market for that.

If we pick 14, thinks Sekou Doumbouya would be target, and not as a stash either.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

And comments like this just aren’t sensible. It shows you just respond with no research at all. So you don’t think the Rockets would trade Hayward for CP3 straight up? Cp3 has 3 years left on his contract Hayward could opt out after next season. Even if he opts in he will only have 1 year left and now he’s an extremely valuable expiring contract. And that is all if he doesn’t come back to Utah form, and most believe he will.

I guess it comes down to whether or not we believe that the value the Rockets place in getting rid of 1 year of CP3’s contract is that of relinquishing any chance of retaining Eric Gordon and also losing Capela. Are the Rockets that desperate? At this point, I don’t think so.

They just put their entire roster on the trade black and that’s not desperate? And yes it’s 1 more year of CP3 contract but now your if rugby the fact the team may be better without cp3 on the roster for those years, Addition by subtraction. Your also now ignoring that Hayward May come back and much better than last year. Alongside Harden he wouldn’t do as much running around as we all know Harden is iso heavy.

Believe it or not Hayward was blowing by people THIS YEAR on iso plays. He also was getting off some dunks and some through contact. That was only his 1st year back with minimum training on his game.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Sean Deveney on this morning's Celtics Beat podcast with Adam Kaufman:

Thinks Danny is going to go all in to get Anthony Davis, even if Kyrie does not come back.  Will take risk that he walks in a year. Thinks Davis will get traded, and that Celtics will probably land him with the best package. Says Pels don't want to trade him to Western Conference, although Nuggets a possible sleeper.

Celtics trying to trade its picks for future picks, but there is not much of a market for that.

If we pick 14, thinks Sekou Doumbouya would be target, and not as a stash either.

That guy does not pass the eye test for me. Yikes.

[td450]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

And comments like this just aren’t sensible. It shows you just respond with no research at all. So you don’t think the Rockets would trade Hayward for CP3 straight up? Cp3 has 3 years left on his contract Hayward could opt out after next season. Even if he opts in he will only have 1 year left and now he’s an extremely valuable expiring contract. And that is all if he doesn’t come back to Utah form, and most believe he will.

Boston and Houston would LOVE this. Its the Pelicans that say no.

It seems like a good deal at first glance because of the general high regard for CP3, but in reality, he's a huge negative due to his age and massive contract, and he would be furious at being shipped off to a rebuild, even a very good one. 

Holiday is a huge price to pay. He's 28, a great defender and a quality scorer. Capela is valuable, but probably not the kind of non shooting big they want next to Zion.

The Pelicans would be much better off making a straight up deal with Boston.

Not necessarily. You kind of have to ignore CP3 salary in the process as they wouldn’t have anything else to do with their cap space. No one is signing to a rebuild, so cp3 IS THE BEST YOUR GOING TO GET.

Now the Capela argument I kinda agree. But in playing Devils advocate he may not be what you want on offense but on defense he would be needed for the Pels. Well I guess on Offence he will still get a lot of spoon fed baskets as Zion has IQ to drive and dish, so maybe it would work.

Would you rather have Jrue Holiday, Marcus Smart and several picks, including the Memphis pick,

or

A 34 year old Chris Paul, who is upset he's starting over with a team built around a 19 year old, and Clint Capela?

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

And comments like this just aren’t sensible. It shows you just respond with no research at all. So you don’t think the Rockets would trade Hayward for CP3 straight up? Cp3 has 3 years left on his contract Hayward could opt out after next season. Even if he opts in he will only have 1 year left and now he’s an extremely valuable expiring contract. And that is all if he doesn’t come back to Utah form, and most believe he will.

Boston and Houston would LOVE this. Its the Pelicans that say no.

It seems like a good deal at first glance because of the general high regard for CP3, but in reality, he's a huge negative due to his age and massive contract, and he would be furious at being shipped off to a rebuild, even a very good one. 

Holiday is a huge price to pay. He's 28, a great defender and a quality scorer. Capela is valuable, but probably not the kind of non shooting big they want next to Zion.

The Pelicans would be much better off making a straight up deal with Boston.

Not necessarily. You kind of have to ignore CP3 salary in the process as they wouldn’t have anything else to do with their cap space. No one is signing to a rebuild, so cp3 IS THE BEST YOUR GOING TO GET.

Now the Capela argument I kinda agree. But in playing Devils advocate he may not be what you want on offense but on defense he would be needed for the Pels. Well I guess on Offence he will still get a lot of spoon fed baskets as Zion has IQ to drive and dish, so maybe it would work.

Would you rather have Jrue Holiday, Marcus Smart and several picks, including the Memphis pick,

or

A 34 year old Chris Paul, who is upset he's starting over with a team built around a 19 year old, and Clint Capela?

I’m just basing this off of Stephen A saying Jrue wants out if AD leaves.

[LilRip]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

And comments like this just aren’t sensible. It shows you just respond with no research at all. So you don’t think the Rockets would trade Hayward for CP3 straight up? Cp3 has 3 years left on his contract Hayward could opt out after next season. Even if he opts in he will only have 1 year left and now he’s an extremely valuable expiring contract. And that is all if he doesn’t come back to Utah form, and most believe he will.

I guess it comes down to whether or not we believe that the value the Rockets place in getting rid of 1 year of CP3’s contract is that of relinquishing any chance of retaining Eric Gordon and also losing Capela. Are the Rockets that desperate? At this point, I don’t think so.

They just put their entire roster on the trade black and that’s not desperate? And yes it’s 1 more year of CP3 contract but now your if rugby the fact the team may be better without cp3 on the roster for those years, Addition by subtraction. Your also now ignoring that Hayward May come back and much better than last year. Alongside Harden he wouldn’t do as much running around as we all know Harden is iso heavy.

Believe it or not Hayward was blowing by people THIS YEAR on iso plays. He also was getting off some dunks and some through contact. That was only his 1st year back with minimum training on his game.

Sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself of Hayward’s worth. As for the trading block, I’d say they want to shake up their roster but it doesn’t mean they’d want to make trades for the sake of making moves.

Now, if this trade didn’t involve the Rockets losing Capela, I think they’d be more into it.

[BitterJim]

Nice try on the trade. I doubt Hayward will be involved in any deal until he shows more. Not at his salary.

And comments like this just aren’t sensible. It shows you just respond with no research at all. So you don’t think the Rockets would trade Hayward for CP3 straight up? Cp3 has 3 years left on his contract Hayward could opt out after next season. Even if he opts in he will only have 1 year left and now he’s an extremely valuable expiring contract. And that is all if he doesn’t come back to Utah form, and most believe he will.

Boston and Houston would LOVE this. Its the Pelicans that say no.

It seems like a good deal at first glance because of the general high regard for CP3, but in reality, he's a huge negative due to his age and massive contract, and he would be furious at being shipped off to a rebuild, even a very good one. 

Holiday is a huge price to pay. He's 28, a great defender and a quality scorer. Capela is valuable, but probably not the kind of non shooting big they want next to Zion.

The Pelicans would be much better off making a straight up deal with Boston.

Not necessarily. You kind of have to ignore CP3 salary in the process as they wouldn’t have anything else to do with their cap space. No one is signing to a rebuild, so cp3 IS THE BEST YOUR GOING TO GET.

Now the Capela argument I kinda agree. But in playing Devils advocate he may not be what you want on offense but on defense he would be needed for the Pels. Well I guess on Offence he will still get a lot of spoon fed baskets as Zion has IQ to drive and dish, so maybe it would work.

Would you rather have Jrue Holiday, Marcus Smart and several picks, including the Memphis pick,

or

A 34 year old Chris Paul, who is upset he's starting over with a team built around a 19 year old, and Clint Capela?

I’m just basing this off of Stephen A saying Jrue wants out if AD leaves.

Even if Stephen A Smith is somehow right for once, it still doesn't make sense. They could get a much better return for Holiday than Capela and a negative-value contract like CP3. They would even be better off just leaving cap space open and taking on bad contracts in exchange for picks/young players (like we did with Gerald Wallace, or the Nets did with Demarre Carroll and Mozgov).

CP3 only helps if Jrue wants out AND the team wants to try and make the playoffs next year, but while each on its own seems possible, but being true seems super unlikely. Having Zion debut and CP3 return to NO would sell a lot of tickets, though

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Sean Deveney on this morning's Celtics Beat podcast with Adam Kaufman:

Thinks Danny is going to go all in to get Anthony Davis, even if Kyrie does not come back.  Will take risk that he walks in a year. Thinks Davis will get traded, and that Celtics will probably land him with the best package. Says Pels don't want to trade him to Western Conference, although Nuggets a possible sleeper.

Celtics trying to trade its picks for future picks, but there is not much of a market for that.

If we pick 14, thinks Sekou Doumbouya would be target, and not as a stash either.

Very good news. Hopefully he's right. And the fact that we can offer Kyrie more money means he should at least consider listening to what the Celtics have to say, especially if we have Davis on board.